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zapp
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Is it just me or is anyone surprised when they here other christians saying that they think non-christian religions are valid? What on earth is going on there!?
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Gary
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Most of those who post here (in this forum) are not Christians. We have atheists, new agers, Muslims etc. Nothing wrong with that. It is wonderful that they come here. They may learn something!
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thessalonian
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zapp said:
I'm not surprized particularly. There seem to be as many views in Protestant Christianity as there are heads as one VERY VERY EARLY reformer noted..
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Gary
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Thessalonian shows his true colours...
... as I was saying, there are not many Christians here. We even get some very sarcastic Roman Catholics as well. Great mission field!
... as I was saying, there are not many Christians here. We even get some very sarcastic Roman Catholics as well. Great mission field!
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thessalonian
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Re: Thessalonian shows his true colours...
So how many of us on this board (not separated from the fold as a wolf would search for) have you converted with your twists and distortions to date. By the way, catholicism is the fullness of Christianity but you are certainly entitled to your wrong opinion. :roll: Oddly enough I can count on one had the number of people who have converted from Catholic to Protestant on these message boards. But I know MANY protestants who have converted to Catholicism.
Gary said:... as I was saying, there are not many Christians here. We even get some very sarcastic Roman Catholics as well. Great mission field!
So how many of us on this board (not separated from the fold as a wolf would search for) have you converted with your twists and distortions to date. By the way, catholicism is the fullness of Christianity but you are certainly entitled to your wrong opinion. :roll: Oddly enough I can count on one had the number of people who have converted from Catholic to Protestant on these message boards. But I know MANY protestants who have converted to Catholicism.
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Nocturnal_Principal_X
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I don’t understand the continued jabs between Protestants and Catholics. It is true the gap between Protestantism and Catholicism is quite big but historically both have believed in the essential doctrines. Due to that fact I don’t understand why we can’t learn to work together for the glory of God. That’s right….God’s glory…not our own.
Just a reminder, God does the converting! One of the duties of a Christian is to proclaim the gospel. In other words Christians are to proclaim, not convert one to Christianity. Scripture makes it pretty clear that God, and God alone converts someone. I make that point because I image some people like to boast about how many people they have converted and the simply reality is no one can boast about that because God does the converting.
The bottom line is we of the Protestant and Catholic parts of Christianity need to focus on God and seek unity as best we can in hope of glorifying God. If a person believes the essential doctrines of Christianity then they are a Christianâ€â€period. Does that mean I agree with Catholicismâ€â€no, in fact I am very much against it. However, I don’t focus on the differencesâ€â€I focus on whether or not one believes in the essential doctrines. In other words I focus on proclaiming the gospel and try to help others learn about it in hopes that they can one day come to Christ.
It seems to me that Protestants and atholics need to pray for more humilityâ€â€so that includes me.
Just a reminder, God does the converting! One of the duties of a Christian is to proclaim the gospel. In other words Christians are to proclaim, not convert one to Christianity. Scripture makes it pretty clear that God, and God alone converts someone. I make that point because I image some people like to boast about how many people they have converted and the simply reality is no one can boast about that because God does the converting.
The bottom line is we of the Protestant and Catholic parts of Christianity need to focus on God and seek unity as best we can in hope of glorifying God. If a person believes the essential doctrines of Christianity then they are a Christianâ€â€period. Does that mean I agree with Catholicismâ€â€no, in fact I am very much against it. However, I don’t focus on the differencesâ€â€I focus on whether or not one believes in the essential doctrines. In other words I focus on proclaiming the gospel and try to help others learn about it in hopes that they can one day come to Christ.
It seems to me that Protestants and atholics need to pray for more humilityâ€â€so that includes me.
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Gary
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Roman Catholicism and Islam are man-made religions
Really? On these boards? hmmmm. Could you name them?
I am sure many Protestants have seen your gracious posts and come RUNNING to Roman Catholicism! NOT!
Conversions from Roman Catholicism to Islam
What I have found interesting is how many Roman Catholics have converted to Islam, even in recent decades. They love the ritual and find even more ritual in Islam. If ever there was proof of two man-made religions, it would be that. I have yet to see a born-again, spirit-filled Christian who has claimed to have converted to Islam.
Who is doing Christian Apologetics and writing about Islam?
Look at the contributing authors on http://www.answering-islam.org/authors.html No Roman Catholics there:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/index.htm
Conversions from Roman Catholicism to Islam
Then go onto Islamic sites... and read the conversion stories. New converts to Islam come (mainly) from Roman Catholics.
Conversions from Islam to Evangelical Christianity
However, when Muslims convert and come to meet and know our Lord Jesus Christ, they come out of the man-made ritual and (usually) convert to Evangelical Christianity.
Why Roman Catholics do not see Muslims as a mission field
There is no need for Roman Catholics to see Muslims as needing to hear the Gospel.... your pope thinks everyone is saved, even Muslims!
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thessalonian said:Gary said:... as I was saying, there are not many Christians here. We even get some very sarcastic Roman Catholics as well. Great mission field!
So how many of us on this board (not separated from the fold as a wolf would search for) have you converted with your twists and distortions to date. By the way, catholicism is the fullness of Christianity but you are certainly entitled to your wrong opinion. :roll: Oddly enough I can count on one had the number of people who have converted from Catholic to Protestant on these message boards. But I know MANY protestants who have converted to Catholicism.
Really? On these boards? hmmmm. Could you name them?
I am sure many Protestants have seen your gracious posts and come RUNNING to Roman Catholicism! NOT!
Conversions from Roman Catholicism to Islam
What I have found interesting is how many Roman Catholics have converted to Islam, even in recent decades. They love the ritual and find even more ritual in Islam. If ever there was proof of two man-made religions, it would be that. I have yet to see a born-again, spirit-filled Christian who has claimed to have converted to Islam.
Who is doing Christian Apologetics and writing about Islam?
Look at the contributing authors on http://www.answering-islam.org/authors.html No Roman Catholics there:
- M. N. Anderson
James Arlandson
Rev. Richard P. Bailey
Andy Bannister
Dr. William Campbell
Roland Clarke
Rev. M. J. Fisher
John Gilchrist
Samuel Green
Dr. Ernest Hahn
Farooq Ibrahim
Dawud Jabal
Khaled
Memsuah Mansoor
Abu Miriam
Gerhard Nehls
Alano Perez
Joel Richardson
Dallas Roark
Brahim Sene
Sam Shamoun
Silas
Wail Taghlibi
Anthony Wales
Walid
Wildcat
David Wood
http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/index.htm
- Al-Kalbi
Al-Kindi
James Levi Barton
Richard Bell
Leone Caetani
Jens Christensen
W. H. T. Gairdner
Abraham Geiger
H.A.R. Gibb
William Goldsack
Alfred Guillaume
Thomas Patrick Hughes
C. Snouck Hurgronje
Arthur Jeffery
Duncan B. Macdonald
David S. Margoliouth
Alphonse Mingana
Sir William Muir
Theodor Nöldeke
Carl Gottlieb Pfander
Joseph Schacht
Philip Schaff
[Canon] Edward Sell
Harold Spencer
John Subhan
William St. Clair-Tisdall
Charles Cutler Torrey
G. Weil
E. M. Wherry
Arthur N. Wollaston
Samuel Zwemer
Conversions from Roman Catholicism to Islam
Then go onto Islamic sites... and read the conversion stories. New converts to Islam come (mainly) from Roman Catholics.
Conversions from Islam to Evangelical Christianity
However, when Muslims convert and come to meet and know our Lord Jesus Christ, they come out of the man-made ritual and (usually) convert to Evangelical Christianity.
Why Roman Catholics do not see Muslims as a mission field
There is no need for Roman Catholics to see Muslims as needing to hear the Gospel.... your pope thinks everyone is saved, even Muslims!
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Gary
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God does the converting...
Good points. I agree.Nocturnal_Principal_X said:
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DivineNames
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Re: Roman Catholicism and Islam are man-made religions
"even Muslims!"
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How terrible... the very thought of a Muslim not getting what they deserve  eternal punishment  is just disgusting!
Gary said:
"even Muslims!"
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How terrible... the very thought of a Muslim not getting what they deserve  eternal punishment  is just disgusting!
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DivineNames
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Re: Roman Catholicism and Islam are man-made religions
I would guess that a significant number of Protestants would agree with something like the Roman Catholic position.
I would guess that a significant number of Protestants would agree with something like the Roman Catholic position.
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DivineNames
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Re: Thessalonian shows his true colours...
And we even get some very loony and arrogant Protestants around here...
Gary said:... as I was saying, there are not many Christians here. We even get some very sarcastic Roman Catholics as well. Great mission field!
And we even get some very loony and arrogant Protestants around here...
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John the Baptist
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Nocturnal_Principal_X said:
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Bilal
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Re: Roman Catholicism and Islam are man-made religions
...Maash'Allah, they have seen the Religion of Truthâ„¢, how lucky they are.
Bla bla bla...is there anything of yours that isn't regurtigated? Are you even intellectually capable of making a post without copying or obtaining your mindset from that shoddy website.
Again,
, more very lucky people returning to the one and only, Religion of Truthâ„¢.
Wa'Allahi, what Islamic mission needs to divide and conquer Christianity, you are doing the dividing for them!
I ask, do you represent the face of Christianity?
Gary said:
Bla bla bla...is there anything of yours that isn't regurtigated? Are you even intellectually capable of making a post without copying or obtaining your mindset from that shoddy website.
Again,
Wa'Allahi, what Islamic mission needs to divide and conquer Christianity, you are doing the dividing for them!
I ask, do you represent the face of Christianity?
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Bilal
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zapp said:
Err...maybe because they are valid?
Its not particularly surprising to see such acceptances, especially when one considers the God-given gift of Common Sense.
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Bilal
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zapp said:
I agree, i can't take what i have discussed with one Christian, and use it to increase my knowledge when talking to another, either because of the striking differences of Christianity between the two, or because that second Christian will quickly and abruptly end my argument with a simple, "Yes, but i dont believe in that part". :-?
Oh, and by the way, its 'hear'.
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Soma-Sight
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Well do you WANT to be surprised?
Would you not be HAPPY to know that God has worked in all cultures throughout time in some way to lead men back to Him?
Are we certain enough to say that 850 million Hindus will burn forever because they dont THINK the same as you? Have the same IDEA of God that you do?
Because lets face it.... Religion is nothing more than an IDEA. You never witnessed the Walls of Jerico falling.... or the flood wiping out pretty much all life on earth.... just as a Muslim didnt see into the head of the "Prophet", or a Hindu witness the Battlefield of Kurukshetra.....
These are all IDEAS supported by FAITH.
To be pomp and to discredit the traditions of other cultures without HAVING ACTUALLY BEEN THERE is intellectual suicide at best and very intolerant at worst.
In my humble estimation it is best to LIVE from what you know of CHRISTIANITY. Put it in action and cultivate it rather than finding faults with other peoples worldviews....