Is it possable to live a life without Sin ?

[Yeshua_kingdom_come]

With all do respect I agree with you. My first statement that you quoted said "It is not possible to never sin" And obviously you need to get saved by the grace and blood of Jesus first. I was simply stating that it is possible to live in greater holiness.

For example when I first got saved I repented of drunkenness. I have not gone back to alcohol.

Recently I have been convicted about indulging in violent entertainment. I have repented and hopefully by the grace of God I will not go back.

Now Christ has greater victory over sin in my life. Although I am no more "saved" then I was before.

 

[lily of God]

Thank you for your testimony Joshua.

Jesus is expecting us to be a good witnesses for God.

peace :D

 

[John the Baptist]

I recommend only Matthew 4:4 & 2 Timothy 3:16-17 now.

---John

 

[John the Baptist]

You are applying the laws of worshiping other gods to the laws of adultery. I don't think you can just mix laws to come up with new rules.

However, her guilt was never questioned. Everyone knew she had committed adultery. If the other Jews sinned and didn't kill her, that doesn't give Jesus a free pass not to follow the Law. Jesus knew she was guilty and should have obeyed Leviticus 20:10 and killed her. Since he was also God, he should have also have known who the man was and went and killed him.

What this shows us is that the Old Testament laws were old and barbaric. However, the Bible said they were perfect and eternal. So it seems that Jesus just decided that this law was too barbaric to follow. However, God gave no leeway to ignore it, so Jesus had to sin to keep from doing something bad.

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John here. Not so, Isa.8:20 states that Christ came to 'magnify the law and to make it honorable'. He did such with all ten commandments. James 2:8-12 finds them all included in final judgement, along with what you question from the O.T. 'whole duty of mankind'. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14.

As for Christ & murder, or your adultery mistake? It seems that both they in the O.T. & you in the N.T. both needed this magnification, huh?:wink: Christ said to hate is murder in the 'bottom line Truth', or to lust after either sex is adultery 'already' in the final tally! (finally tally, or bottom line truth??) See James 1:15. And this woman was just an example of the breaking of one of the ten as Christ was to magnify them all. Again James 2 said to break even one, we have broken them all. So what Christ did was to read the sinners heart, and told her to 'go and sin no more'. God did this over & over in the O.T.! Even Achan in Joshua 7 knew the end result of his sin! And he had several opportunities to repent & come forward, "IF" he would. (read it)

The law by legalists has no ETERNAL GOSPEL in it. (Revelation 14:6) This was what Christ was Magnifying. See 1 John 5:16-17. It is the END of maturity (either way) that Christ is interested in! Notice that the ones of Hebrews 11:13 'DIED [IN THE FAITH].' These ones died 'IN' the Righteousness Of Christ! See Romans 8:1 "IN CHRIST"!!

On the other hand, we see satan presenting the other extreme. But, you can rest assured, that when one continues over & over in sin with no sorrow or remorse, in time the Holy Spirit leaves the one to their fully mature decision. As king Saul of the O.T. But the free choice is always ours to make, and the Eternal Provisions are always there to use once one has taken the step by faith! (Matthew 28:20) See Philippians 4:13 & 2 Corinthians 12:9 :fadein:
But there has got to be the Born Again starting point first!

 

[cyberjosh]

yes then we are saved ,then we are saved by Gods grace Romans chapter 6 verses3-5 tell us "we are baptized into Jesus Christ . And we are baptized into his death,"and that by this "baptism " and as he is risen to the Father so also we should walk in a new life,1st john 3:6 tells us that if we abide in Christ we sin not n if we are in sin we know him not. And agreed we will always need Christ Jesus ,the spirit he sent is whom guides us to him.

Child of God, you seem to be an attentive reader of the Word, which is good and you seem to genuinely be looking for a true answer. Let me then attempt to clear somethings up.

The reason John talks in absolutes in 1 John is to make a point of who is and isn't a follower of God. Now earlier in 1 John he wrote "If we say that we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us." Thus when he later says that followers of God do not sin, what he means is habitually sin, and live a life-style of sin. As Paul says, we are dead to sin and alive to Christ, in the sense that our sinful flesh is no longer master over us and that we now have the Holy Spirit in us who can empower us to conquer sin. We will all slip up and fall along the way, the point is that we are not practicers of lawlessness (1 John 3:4), for we are instead under Christ's law (1 Corinthians 9:21).

 

[John the Baptist]

With all do respect I agree with you. My first statement that you quoted said "It is not possible to never sin" And obviously you need to get saved by the grace and blood of Jesus first. I was simply stating that it is possible to live in greater holiness.

For example when I first got saved I repented of drunkenness. I have not gone back to alcohol.

Recently I have been convicted about indulging in violent entertainment. I have repented and hopefully by the grace of God I will not go back.

Now Christ has greater victory over sin in my life. Although I am no more "saved" then I was before.

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Agreed. :wink: You say: "Obviously we need to be Saved by Grace."

John says: We are carnal until then, then, we become spiritual, agreed? The required escape only starts when this recreation takes place. People who are not Christians, and the many who even profess to be, had never even had this starting required point take place. John 3:3-8.

Wanting to be a Christian does not make the change to being a Christian,, but the giving up of self %100 to Christ is the requirement. (See Acts 9:4-6 of the K.J.) I suspect that there are many who confuse the Striving of the Holy Spirit with then as being saved?? Genesis 6:3

Do you agree that the spiritual must control the carnal body at this point? As you tell of your moving forward by the [now] supplied Grace of Christ? Philippians 4:13
I am talking also as to the hard things Christ calls the Born Again one to do, such as the sin's of OMISSION!

But your 'post' is a good one! :fadein:

--John

 

[cyberjosh]

Do you agree that the spiritual must control the carnal body at this point? As you tell of your moving forward by the [now] supplied Grace of Christ? Philippians 4:13

I know you weren't addressing this to me, but...

Absolutely! "For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." (Romans 8:13-14)

 

[FijianBeliever]

Hi All,

I believe that it's possible not to sin, only not in this life, but in the next. The "wages of sin is death" and we all die. Fortunately the "gift of God is eternal life" and this life is in Jesus. When we are resurected, then we will be perfect and sinless. Until then, we are still sinful, and might go for periods without sinning, but to lead a life of not sinning here on Earth, I don't think that's possible.

I also noticed that there were statements that the OT laws were superseeded by the NT laws. I don't agree with this. I believe that the OT laws and the NT laws are one and the same, it's just our interpretation of them that are faulty.

I would like to point out a few things:

1. God created us perfect and sinless ( Adam and Eve before the Fall).

2. Adam and Eve sinned.

3. God, who had already told them that if they "sinned" by eating the
forbidden fruit, they would surely die, didn't want them to die.

4. God promised a deliever there and then ( the "seed of the woman")

5. God gave His law to Moses.

6. God said that anyone who lived the law according to His standard ( ie
sinless), would receive eternal life and all His blessings ( See Deut 28 for
some.)

7. Man could not live the life that would fulfill the Law. Everybody sinned,
and is still sinning.

8. God revealed more Laws through His Prophets.

9. God sent His only begotten Son to fulfill His Law.

Matthew 5:17 :"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the
Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

10. Because Jesus fulfilled the law to God's satisfaction, God gave Him all
the benefits of fulfilling the law.

11. Because Jesus loves us, He is willing to give us a "share" in the benefits
that He has received. He qualifies for them because He is righteous, to
us it will only be a gift.

12. You can either live by fulfilling the law, or by accepting the gift of Jesus.

13. It's your choice, whom to follow.

John 9:28 "Then they hurled insults at him and said, "You are this fellow's disciple! We are disciples of Moses! 29We know that God spoke to Moses, but as for this fellow, we don't even know where he comes from."

 

[Preacher Boy]

I had a friend who was trying to convince me that he was perfect and with out sin. Each day we would see each other and some how this conversation would come up. I asked him one day if he ever lied, used foul language, anything? He told me never. LOL yeah right is what I'm thinking, right? So anyway like a week went by and I just got back from the store, it was moring and I had a nice cup of hot coffee in my hand. I ran into him, and I said the norm "hey Good Moring how are you". He replied "never better, full of joy and still sinless" I got tired of this crap so I threw my cup of hot coffee on him, he said you SOB why in the **** you do that for. I turned and smiled and said "see your not perfect". He said "that was not a Christian thing to do" I then said "I never claimed to be perfect"!!!!

TRUE STORY.. Happened last month

:::note to self. Never agree to meet Atonement at Starbucks:::

That's funny!!

 

[JohnR]

It seems that when Jesus refused to kill the adulterous woman, he did not follow the Old Law and thus sinned.

Then He would have had to kill everyone there. They were all sinners and they were all worthy of death. Jesus died on the cross for the adulterous womans sins. So that HE died in her place.

 

[FijianBeliever]

Quath wrote:
It seems that when Jesus refused to kill the adulterous woman, he did not follow the Old Law and thus sinned.

I would like to know how you arrived at this conclusion, i.e. about not following the Old law and thus sinning.

God Bless You All,
Isaia

 

[stranger]

Since he was also God, he should have also have known who the man was and went and killed him.

What this shows us is that the Old Testament laws were old and barbaric. However, the Bible said they were perfect and eternal. So it seems that Jesus just decided that this law was too barbaric to follow. However, God gave no leeway to ignore it, so Jesus had to sin to keep from doing something bad.

Hi Quath,

Who was to die for the woman's sin? (That the law might be fulfilled).

In Christ: Stranger