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Is It Possible To Believe In Jesus ... And NOT Be Saved?

is It Possible To Believe In Jesus ... And NOT Be Saved?yup most folks are 12 inches away from being saved. there is about 12 inches from your brain to your heart . romans 10:10 from the heart .many just have head salvation
 
wondering said:
How could that be if Jesus said He would save us?
If we're depending on Jesus to save us, then HE WILL.
No matter what.
He knows if we would have been sorry or not. He knows if we're sincere or not.
If we are, we're safe. If we're not, we're never safe even when we SAY we're sorry but really aren't.

If we can't trust ih Him, who can we trust in?
John 6:68.

Trust in Him.

Wondering
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Where did you get that? Most people are not saved.
 
KevinK said:
Where did you get that? Most people are not saved.
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What makes you think I'm talking about the unsaved?
I'm talking about people trusting in Jesus for their salvation. Are they saved or not?
If they sin and die, are they saved or not?
What if they didn't get a chance to ask for forgiveness?
 
Sounds like this whole discussion boils down to defining what "believe in" means. If it means believing Jesus exists then the answer is yes. If it means believing Jesus is the Son of God then yes. If it means believing Jesus died and rose again then yes. If it means believing Jesus is the Messiah, Savior of the world, then yes. Satan believes all of these things and yet he is not saved.

But, if it means believing, trusting, surrendering, and putting all faith in Him completely for our salvation apart from ourselves then the answer would be No in my opinion. That is the one thing that Satan will never do. He will never relinquish himself to Jesus.
 
Joh 16:11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world hath been judged.

satan has already been judged.
 
WIP said:
Sounds like this whole discussion boils down to defining what "believe in" means. If it means believing Jesus exists then the answer is yes. If it means believing Jesus is the Son of God then yes. If it means believing Jesus died and rose again then yes. If it means believing Jesus is the Messiah, Savior of the world, then yes. Satan believes all of these things and yet he is not saved.

But, if it means believing, trusting, surrendering, and putting all faith in Him completely for our salvation apart from ourselves then the answer would be No in my opinion. That is the one thing that Satan will never do. He will never relinquish himself to Jesus.
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I would agree with this, but. Most people I know don't "believe" how I know 100% I'm born again. Now I'm gonna boast, but it's going to be in the Lord.

Before I was born again I heard all of what you said. "trust in the Lord" , "putting faith in him" stuff like that. You literally have to have your eyes open like a child.
Matthew 18:3 And he said (Jesus): "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

What does this mean? Most people can't wrap their adult minds around the literal DNA of Jesus. I believe like a child that superman exists. I believe 100% that Jesus is human and divine and his blood is a tad bit different than us, but the same. (if that makes sense)

I believe everything that Jesus said and it was recorded in the gospels and throughout the rest of the entire bible. So, I wanted to add this kind of "believe"...............cause I know I am entering through the narrow gate. Matthew 7:13-14
 
WIP said:
Sounds like this whole discussion boils down to defining what "believe in" means.
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Amen to that.

That's the million dollar question.

Bible believing and all the fullness thereof, as opposed to the post modern definition of believing that permeates the Church.

Here is one thing we can learn from the scriptures and context, about this subject.

Unbelief is the same Greek word as disobedience.

Unbelief is Disobedience.

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Hebrews 4:6 KJV

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience.
Hebrews 4:6 NKJV

  • Unbelief/Disobedience - Strong's G543 - apeitheia - noun
  1. obstinacy, obstinate opposition to the divine will


Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. G543 Ephesians 5:6 KJV


Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. G543 Hebrews 4:11 KJV


30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,[G543] 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience,[G543] that He might have mercy on all. Romans 11:30-32 NKJV


For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:[G543]
Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief,[G543] that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:30-32 KJV


  • Strong's G543 - apeitheia is a noun in these verse's, however the verb form of this word apeitheō Strong's G544, occurs here in Romans 11:30-32 as well, and is also interchangeable with disobedience.

30 For as you were once disobedient [G544] to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,[G543] 31 even so these also have now been disobedient,[G544] that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience,[G543] that He might have mercy on all. Romans 11:30-32 NKJV


For as ye in times past have not believed [G544] God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:[G543]
Even so have these also now not believed,[G544] that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief,[G543] that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:30-32 KJV

  • Unbelief/Disobedience Strong's G544 - apeitheō - verb
  1. not to allow one's self to be persuaded
    1. to refuse or withhold belief
    2. to refuse belief and obedience
  2. not to comply with



We can certainly conclude from just understanding what these words mean from the original language and intent that believe carries the idea of obey.

Unbelief = Disobedience

Remember Romans 11 is written in the context of Romans 10, which concerns Israel rejecting the Gospel.

Look at how Paul weaves this idea of believing the Gospel and obeying the Gospel.

14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Romans 10:14-16

Paul's teaches the principle of believing and obeying, which is what James taught, faith without works
[work = the effort obedience requires] is dead.

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19

Demons believe in God, but they continue to obey Satan.


Believing the Gospel is obeying the Gospel.

“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Luke 6:46


JLB
 
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reba said:
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Rom 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
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And at the same time we should remember, Satan believes Jesus is the Son of God, he even worked directly under Him. I have understood the book of James to say we are motivated to work because we love Him.

How does that work? I love this nation and I loved the South Vietnamese and was willing to die for both... I am willing to die today for the LORD, my God.
 
th1b.taylor said:
And at the same time we should remember, Satan believes Jesus is the Son of God, he even worked directly under Him. I have understood the book of James to say we are motivated to work because we love Him.

How does that work? I love this nation and I loved the South Vietnamese and was willing to die for both... I am willing to die today for the LORD, my God.
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But Satan has never and will ever confess with his mouth that Jesus is his Lord. So surely anyone who confesses this and makes Jesus their Lord will be motivated to work for him, or surrender to him and allow Jesus to work through him. We need to make a distinction here, do we need work for God or allow God to work in us and through us. Truth is that our works are like filthy rags to God.
 
WIP said:
Can you point out the Scripture please? I've never heard of this before.
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2 Corinthians 11:4

If someone preach 'another Jesus'. That is clearly a false Jesus, a lie, and all lies come from the father of all lies.
 
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Wrg1405 said:
But Satan has never and will ever confess with his mouth that Jesus is his Lord. So surely anyone who confesses this and makes Jesus their Lord will be motivated to work for him, or surrender to him and allow Jesus to work through him. We need to make a distinction here, do we need work for God or allow God to work in us and through us. Truth is that our works are like filthy rags to God.
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Bringing us to the point! Jesus taught us we will know them by their fruit so tell me, if their fruit stinks, is rotten, of demonstrates an issue, are they saved? My post, tagged onto Reba's, was only to show it is not as millions, more reasonably, Billions of people that are not studied, skip, whistle, and sing as the traverse the path to and through the Wide Gate.
 
I believe you can believe and not be saved...at least according to the testimony of one of my wife's cousins. She has talked to him about Jesus and being saved/the basic Gospel message and he says he believes it to be true, but just doesn't want to change his life style. He is a nice person, owns his own business, helps people etc...I think it is how he has a different girlfriend every time we visit him..he knows its wrong but doesn't want to give it up.
 
42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God. John 12:42-43

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10



JLB
 
Hospes said:
Define believe and I will give you the answer.
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With all respect, I am not looking for an answer, especially since we haven't talked with each other.
I will do my best to answer your request and welcome your reply!
To answer it spiritually, believe or to believe is to be a believer as apposed to a non-believer, and marks a condition of salvation with Christ in you and, again, apposed to being not saved. Before I became a believer, I knew of God and Jesus, now I believe in them. Because of his power Satan probably knows Jesus better that I do but, the big difference is he does not "believe in him" and rejects his saving grace!
 
Do we need to distinguish between belief and faith? Are they different, possibly they are.

Let's see if I can get it right.

In Romans 5 we are told we are saved by faith. The Greek word for faith is 'Pistis'
There is also the word 'pisteous' which relates.

I can't remember grammatically how they relate but what I do remember is that what stated to set me free is that one of them is a verb that that relates to a noun. So it's in a sense 'Beleiving in the person Jesus as the Son of God with a conviction that of following it through walking in it'

JLB, our scholarly fella I'm sure will be able to to explain it better.
 
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