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Out of reverence the Hebrew people refrained from speaking this most holy name. But Jesus could say the Divine Name, because that was His Name too. "I AM Who AM", no one else can say that without actually claiming to be God. That is why we do not say that. Why would anyone (at least anyone sane) go about saying that they are Existence itself, that the very WHO THEY ARE defines what it means to Exist. When anyone says "Yahweh", THAT is what they are saying.
“Out of reverence the Hebrew people refrained from speaking this most holy name.
But Jesus could say the Divine Name, because that was His Name too. ‘I AM Who
AM’, no one else can say that without actually claiming to be God. That is why
we do not say that. Why would anyone (at least anyone sane) go about saying that
they are Existence itself, that the very WHO THEY ARE defines what it means to
Exist. When anyone says "Yahweh", THAT is what they are saying.”
“‘I AM Who AM’, no one else can say
that without actually
claiming to be God. That is why we do not say
that.â€
“Why would anyone (at least anyone sane) go about
saying that they are Existence itself, that the
very WHO THEY ARE defines what it means to Exist. When anyone says ‘Yahweh’, THAT is what they are saying.”
I've modified a couple lines at the end of your post so that the RefTagger add-in will work with the quotes. Also notice that I initially pasted a reply from another forum (to start the conversation rolling). Although it doesn't reflect my thoughts I do appreciate your replies.
Third then, concerns the translation and interpretation of Ex. 3:14 (the only time YHWH explains the meaning of his name, ‘Ehyeh asher Ehyeh’) and of John 8:58 (“before Abraham came into existence, ego eimi.”
God explains the meaning of his name once only (Ex. 3:14) as Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh. This is frequently translated as ‘I AM Who (or ‘what’) I AM.’ God gives his actual name immediately after in Exodus 3:15 (YHWH: “Jehovah” or “Yahweh”), and we find it used about 7000 times throughout the OT scriptures.
Furthermore, everywhere else in the five books by Moses (Genesis through Deuteronomy) we find ehyeh is always translated as “I will be.” (The use of ehyeh which is found nearest to Ex. 3:14 is in Exodus 3:12.)
That is why even some Trinitarian OT scholars admit that Ex. 3:14 may mean (or even ‘probably means’) “I Will Be What (or ‘Who’) I Will Be.” Most Trinitarian translators, however, prefer to render it, “I Am Who (or ‘What’) I Am” (but not as “I AM who AM”) for the sole reason that it can then be applied to Jesus at John 8:58.
At John 8:58 Jesus says “Before Abraham came to be, ego eimi. Ego eimi is most often translated as “I am” in the NT. However, it can be rendered as “I was,” or “I have been.”
These translations (most by trinitarians) render ego eimi at John 8:58 as:
(1) “I HAVE BEEN”- alternate reading in 1960 thru 1973 reference editions of NASB
(2) “I HAVE BEEN” - The New Testament, G. R. Noyes
(3) “I HAVE BEEN” - “The Four Gospels” According to the Sinaitic Palimpsest, A. S. Lewis
(4) “I HAVE ALREADY BEEN”- The Unvarnished New Testament
(5) “I HAVE EXISTED” - The Bible, A New Translation, Dr. James Moffatt
(6) “I EXISTED” - The New Testament in the Language of Today, 1964 ed., Beck
(7) “I EXISTED” - An American Translation, Goodspeed
(8) “I EXISTED” - The New Testament in the Language of the People, Williams
(9) “I EXISTED” - New Simplified Bible
(10) “I WAS IN EXISTENCE” - Living Bible
(11) “I WAS ALIVE” - The Simple English Bible
(12)“I WAS” - Holy Bible - From the Ancient Eastern Text, Lamsa
(13)“I WAS” - Young’s Literal Translation of the Holy Bible, 1st ed. (Also see Young’s Concise Critical Commentary, p. 61 of “The New Covenant.”).
(14) “I WAS” - The Syriac New Testament, Jas. Murdock
(15) “I WAS” - H. T. Anderson
(16) “I WAS” - Twentieth Century New Testament
Furthermore, the context shows that the Jews are asking how long Jesus had been in existence (not who he is).
And if saying ‘ego eimi’ were understood to mean God’s name, no Jew (or Christian) would have dared use this common phrase for himself!! And yet,
at John 9:9 the ex-blind man says ego eimi in the Greek NT manuscripts. And
look at the ego eimi spoken by King David in the Greek Septuagint OT at 2 Kings (2 Samuel 15:26 in most English Bibles): “Behold, I AM”! And Isaiah identifies himself in the same manner at Is. 6:8, Septuagint.
Examine Paul’s statement at 1 Cor. 15:10 (“I am what I am”- KJV; NRSV; etc.). His statement at Acts 26:29 is quite interesting, also.
There are hundreds (if not thousands of uses of “I am” - ego eimi) in the Septuagint OT. This Greek translation of the Hebrew was made around 200 B.C. by Jewish scholars.
Here are a very few of them - notice who it is that speaks those words.
Genesis (From The Septuagint, Zondervan, 1980 printing):
Genesis 4:9; 23:4; 24:24, 34; 27:32; 30:2; 31:38 (rendered "I have been"); 31:41 ("I have been"); 45:3, 4; 50:19.
Judges
Judges 5:3 (twice); Judges 6:15,18; 8:5; 11:27, 35, 37; 16:17 ("I have been"); 19:18.
“I AM” simply could not have been understood by the Bible writers as a designation for God!