Is our religion of love arousing hatred, and why ?

[Camboie]

There are many examples of a phenomenon of hatred in catholic history, directed against catholics, more generally in christian history as well.
They could assume it comes, for instance, from the violent way colonization took sometimes shape throughout earth. Yet, wouldn't there be another explanation, in relation with Christ's identity, since the loving teachings of Jesus oddly stirred hatred against him.
So, for you please, is it catholics destiny to suffer from hatred even when, and above all, because they speak a langage of love ? If yes, to what can this be attributed to ?

 

[Mungo]

There are many examples of a phenomenon of hatred in catholic history, directed against catholics, more generally in christian history as well.
They could assume it comes, for instance, from the violent way colonization took sometimes shape throughout earth. Yet, wouldn't there be another explanation, in relation with Christ's identity, since the loving teachings of Jesus oddly stirred hatred against him.
So, for you please, is it catholics destiny to suffer from hatred even when, and above all, because they speak a langage of love ? If yes, to what can this be attributed to ?

I think discussing why some christian groups hate other christian groups is not going to be edifying.

 

[GodsGrace]

I think discussing why some christian groups hate other christian groups is not going to be edifying.

But it sure would be nice to understand.
I can disagree with some doctrine in all denominations.

But I really dislike the reformed faith.
Why?
Because it changes the nature of God.
OK
So why should this bother me so much?

I'm sure God can take care of Himself.

As to some denominations hating others,,,,I put the responsibility on the pastors. This is what they teach.

This is not done in the CC, to the best of my knowledge.

 

[WIP]

But it sure would be nice to understand.
I can disagree with some doctrine in all denominations.

But I really dislike the reformed faith.
Why?
Because it changes the nature of God.
OK
So why should this bother me so much?

I'm sure God can take care of Himself.

As to some denominations hating others,,,,I put the responsibility on the pastors. This is what they teach.

This is not done in the CC, to the best of my knowledge.

And yet there is certainly a hatred from many Catholics toward Protestants. If you're correct that it isn't what's taught then why does the animosity still exist? I even sense some animosity coming from Mungo in his replies toward us Protestants on this site at times. It feels like a posture of disdain. But that's just my opinion I suppose and maybe I'm sensing something that isn't there. I try to ignore it and look past it but it is there nonetheless.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno ?‍

Anti catholic hatred has a long sordid history in the USA. Xenophobia racism overlapping with anti communist rhetoric at times… ugh ?

It’s worth noting that the rcc officially considers most Protestant groups separate brethren but Calvinism is apparently anathema. True story…

 

[jasonc]

Context .

Context ..

Spain murdered french huegenots who were fleeing France settled near st.augustine.

Cromwell deposed the Catholic st Charles and the bishops wars occured after that

I suggest taking a tour of Savannah,ga lots of that is mentioned .

 

[Mungo]

Context .

Context ..

Spain murdered french huegenots who were fleeing France settled near st.augustine.

Cromwell deposed the Catholic st Charles and the bishops wars occured after that

I suggest taking a tour of Savannah,ga lots of that is mentioned .

Cromwell was brutal thug who killed thousands of poor Catholics in Ireland driving them out of their homes.

Protestant Queen Elizabeth I even had Catholic women brutally tortured for "harbouring" a Catholic priest, as well and torturing and killing hundreds of Catholic priests who just wanted to minister to Catholics.

 

[jasonc]

Cromwell was brutal thug who killed thousands of poor Catholics in Ireland driving them out of their homes.

Protestant Queen Elizabeth I even had Catholic women brutally tortured for "harbouring" a Catholic priest, as well and torturing and killing hundreds of Catholic priests who just wanted to minister to Catholics.

Both sides .

Since the America's weren't a Spanish colony and or a French one as that had one but I guess the massacre of the children of French hugenots which out of came the quakers and mennonites .

I said in context because by large the American nation is from Brittain colonies.

I am not from Catholic nation by surname .my great grandpa fled Russia a Greek Orthodox nation who killed Jews .

But I guess the Spanish enslavement of the Indian ancestors of my wife is ok.

Or the pope allowing the cruelty to indians .Florida history predates America .

I know what Cromwell did ,the irish cruelty started under him .Im also half irish ,my mom's lineage ,raised Catholic,she isn't that anymore as Is her younger brother ,are from by ancestry northern Ireland ,o rourke .

Green for the Catholics ,orange for the protestants .

I was simply giving context to why in America there is few of any outside of Spanish colonies old Catholic churches .save ga as Forsyth pushed for tolerance in his charter and king George let him.so only in ga could Catholics settle and Jews.

The oldest Catholic church is st.john of the cross in the British colonies .in America it's the Catholic church near the fort .I can't think of that name it's been rebuilt twice and the once you see is not as old .early 1800s.

I'm not a fan of either catholicism or the Orthodox .

 

[jasonc]

Cathedral Basilica of St. Augustine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I need to visit that . I have seen photos of it .

1565,1797 which is close to the age of st
John of the cross .I stand corrected .New Mexico has one that dates to 1610.

 

[jasonc]

And yet there is certainly a hatred from many Catholics toward Protestants. If you're correct that it isn't what's taught then why does the animosity still exist? I even sense some animosity coming from Mungo in his replies toward us Protestants on this site at times. It feels like a posture of disdain. But that's just my opinion I suppose and maybe I'm sensing something that isn't there. I try to ignore it and look past it but it is there nonetheless.

It depends ,locally I only have talked to the priests at St Helens .lately it was the history of that and who founded it and the original 1919 sanctuary.a new priest didn't know it and I told him.this was during covid and I was photographing the church with it's old sanctuary and nunnery and he was was power walking the lot .

He thought I was a parionisher with my knowledge and I told him no .I'm protestant and like the architecture and wanted to know the history .

 

[GodsGrace]

And yet there is certainly a hatred from many Catholics toward Protestants. If you're correct that it isn't what's taught then why does the animosity still exist? I even sense some animosity coming from Mungo in his replies toward us Protestants on this site at times. It feels like a posture of disdain. But that's just my opinion I suppose and maybe I'm sensing something that isn't there. I try to ignore it and look past it but it is there nonetheless.

I have started to understand why Mungo, and others, feel attacked. Because that's what is done !
It must get tiring after a time - they repeat the same things over and over and they're never absorbed.
I find that this happens to me too when I get involved in trying to explain Catholic doctrine. I don't know as much as Mungo, but what I know I'm sure about....I get attacked by the newcomers that don't know I'm Protestant. It's tiring.

I don't know what goes on over there, but I studied with a Catholic monk here for years and he never spoke badly of Protestants. The priest I know never said anything derogatory about Protestants. What they do say is that they don't have ALL of the truth, that they only have part of it. I mean, think of it, some on these threads think Catholics are not Christian ! They were first "on the scene"!

 

[WIP]

I have started to understand why Mungo, and others, feel attacked. Because that's what is done !
It must get tiring after a time - they repeat the same things over and over and they're never absorbed.
I find that this happens to me too when I get involved in trying to explain Catholic doctrine. I don't know as much as Mungo, but what I know I'm sure about....I get attacked by the newcomers that don't know I'm Protestant. It's tiring.

I don't know what goes on over there, but I studied with a Catholic monk here for years and he never spoke badly of Protestants. The priest I know never said anything derogatory about Protestants. What they do say is that they don't have ALL of the truth, that they only have part of it. I mean, think of it, some on these threads think Catholics are not Christian ! They were first "on the scene"!

I didn't say the animosity doesn't go both ways. I was only replying to your point suggesting that Catholics do not hold any toward Protestants but just evidenced on this site, I see plenty from both sides of that fence. And yes, it does get sickening. There is little respect for each other and/or each others' points of view, understandings, faith, etc.

 

[jasonc]

I didn't say the animosity doesn't go both ways. I was only replying to your point suggesting that Catholics do not hold any toward Protestants but just evidenced on this site, I see plenty from both sides of that fence. And yes, it does get sickening. There is little respect for each other and/or each others' points of view, understandings, faith, etc.

I don't hate Catholics or the Orthodox .
But I also see that institution as wrong .I'm not reformed which includes Lutherans and arminist without a reason.

I don't think it is wise for me to push on Catholic issues to where I forget that mercy and grace is always first and the desire to extend it and also salvation if need be .

You probably don't remember francis de sales .he was the lone v
Catholic here when it was banned here.he didn't push it but would teach the Bible with that bias .very grace ful.

 

[WIP]

I don't hate Catholics or the Orthodox .
But I also see that institution as wrong .I'm not reformed which includes Lutherans and arminist without a reason.

I don't think it is wise for me to push on Catholic issues to where I forget that mercy and grace is always first and the desire to extend it and also salvation if need be .

You probably don't remember francis de sales .he was the lone v
Catholic here when it was banned here.he didn't push it but would teach the Bible with that bias .very grace ful.

Yes, I do remember Francis. In fact, there was a time when he had been away for a while and I contacted him and asked him to return because I missed his wisdom and we needed his Catholic perspective. Very graceful and respectful.

 

[GodsGrace]

I didn't say the animosity doesn't go both ways. I was only replying to your point suggesting that Catholics do not hold any toward Protestants but just evidenced on this site, I see plenty from both sides of that fence. And yes, it does get sickening. There is little respect for each other and/or each others' points of view, understandings, faith, etc.

I understood your point WIP.
Maybe I wasn't clear in my reply to you.
I agree.

 

[WIP]

I understood your point WIP.
Maybe I wasn't clear in my reply to you.
I agree.

I personally believe that most of any animosity comes from pride. "I'm right and you're wrong!" pretty much sums it up.

 

[GodsGrace]

I personally believe that most of any animosity comes from pride. "I'm right and you're wrong!" pretty much sums it up.

Agreed. But pastors that encourage this attitude are not helping Christianity in general.