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Is "self-salvation" part of God's PLAN?

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God did not leave His PLAN for man to “chanceâ€Â

The doctrine of "self-salvation" taught by Judas-priests and hirelings making a living in the churches is a FALSE DOCTRINE! It is not UP TO MAN to save himself by his personal effort as the churches teach! There is no such thing as self-redemption or self-salvation! Just as God chose one man to deliver ancient Israel from Egyptian bondage (Moses), one man to save them from the Philistines (Samson) on one occasion, one man to save them from Goliath (David), He also chose one man to SAVE the children (the world) in flesh from death and captivity by the powers of darkness. You know him by the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of God! All the so-called SUPER HEROES you see on TV and in the movies whose purpose is to “SAVE THE WORLD†are all BOGUS, a bunch unreasonable copy-cats!

Luke 4:17. And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, 18. The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21. And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. 22. And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?

John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1 John 4:14. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

1 Timothy 4:10. For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11. These things command and teach.

Isaiah 49:6. And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. 7. Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. 8. Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; 9. That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

Hebrews 2:13. And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14. Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15. And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

"All men will be drawn by the Son to the right hand of power" to see and adore both the Father and the Son!

Psalm 2:8. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Psalm 110:1. The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 2. The Lord shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. 3. Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 4. The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

John 17:24. Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 10:28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Jeremiah 31: 3. The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Ecclesiastes 12:7. Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Isaiah 45:19. I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the Lord speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. 20. Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save. 21. Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Isaiah 66:18. For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory. 21. And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord. 22. For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain. 23. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Every man who takes a "last breath", rises immediately, Acts 10:9-16, 28. God left nothing to "chance" or to human self-effort. Now you can believe the Father's TESTIMONY you just read, or you can believe the false teachings we learned in the churches. Your personal PEACE that God gives is at stake here!!

Psalm 31:18. Let the lying lips be put to silence; which speak grievous things proudly and contemptuously against the righteous. 19. Oh how great is thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee; which thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee before the sons of men!

Romans 3:3. For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4. God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Give your Father a round of applause for His GOODNESS, MERCY, and GRACE!

John,
ourfamily1 :wink: :P :D :lol:
 
no but following the laws most certainly is part of his plan too, CHRIST said you must abide the laws and the prophets, not use the Cross as daily scapegoat, the cross is their when you make mistakes as WE ALL DO,

the lawless one revealed means those who are not abiding by the commands..which is rampant right now...

rely on CHrist yes, but do not make a mockery out of him, they call those people heretics, and the ministry of the holy spirit is to convict of sin, no convicting, no holy spirit. THAT IS IN THE BIBLE

titus 3 9-

warn them twice then SEE YA
 
Ourfamily1,
You post are very wordy on a subject that is easily stated. Man does not save himself. Period.

I'm sorry sir but I must speak plainly. You remind me of a child that is lost in a mall and desperate. Relax :)
 
All that you say is fine for the human mind that thinks with the wisdom of men! Consider God's way historically. When there is a family crisis, HE ALWAYS PICKS ONE MAN to do the job He wants done! The dragon in the pit of hell attacked His human children and attempted to destroy them all. According to Father's pattern and way ... He picked one designated SUPER-HERO to save all generations of His children. It was not Moses, not Samson, not Elijah, and not David. It was and is Jesus Christ, the Lamb and Redeemer. His job is to "be my salvation unto the end of the earth" and all generations of men. That is Father's Word and Father's PLAN .... even thought I remind you of "a kid running around in a mall". I am not frantically preaching to every man "You have to do this and do that to get yourself saved"! I leave that to the Christian preachers in the various denominations. There is only One Saviour, not thousands of mini "self-saviors". No man can "get himself saved"! The WORK is already done. It was finished 2000 years ago on an old rugged cross! What is written is iron-clad scriptures which neither you nor the preachers can alter by your thinking!

Isaiah 55: 8. For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. 9. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. 10. For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: 11. So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

John,
ourfamily1 :wink: :P :D :lol:
 
do you believe in the delusion that God will send?

you believe the whole bible right?

that delusion is people still believing they will see the beast/anti christ man, in revelation 17 it is clear, "those whose names are not written in the book of life will see THAT BEAST" now with this being said, the book of revelation is CLEAR "they will follow the laws of moses and the LAMB"

do I still sound like a child sir?

their delusion, is THEIR TRUTH, get it?

the lawless one revealed are those who are christian heretics, the book of revelation is clear, the lyers, the sexually immoral, and the DOGS are left here...do you think you will see this beast sir?

I do rest with Jesus, but I know the laws too,
 
sorry grace be with u, I thought you were calling me the child sorry about that, very tired, going forum to forum, when you see people believing in the delusion, (this is flesh talking-can be honest-it is hard to watch) however spirit over rides the flesh-they are condemned..so...I understand the Lords decision

the catholic church started this whole anti christ stuff, yet they believe sins are split in categories so that says a lot eh? they are one of the four creatures I am surrounding...
 
Re: Is the doctrine of “self-salvation†legitimate?

Someone asked:

just one question...
do you believe that everyone no matter what their sins will be saved, or that everyone no matter what their sins will be saved if they believe in the word of Jesus given to him by God the father which are Spirit, Truth and Life?

Here is my response:

What we have to do is to BELIEVE GOD rather than what seems right and reasonable , just and right to man. This is HARD to do for those who are accustomed to trusting men. Here is what is written about the work of Jesus:

Isaiah 53:3. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

This is the SUPER HERO, that one man Father chose to SAVE ALL HUMANITY from Adam to the last baby to be born in flesh and blood. Why does this seem fantastic? This is your Father's WAY of doing things! There was one Noah, one Moses, one Elijah, one David, and one "Savior of the world"! I am sorry that devils have deceived us into thinking that men have to save themselves by their personal effort to avoid hellfire. Clearly THAT is a doctrine of devils! It speaks against the Father's PURPOSE revealed by Isaiah the prophet!

Isaiah 49:6. And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth. 7. Thus saith the Lord, the Redeemer of Israel, and his Holy One, to him whom man despiseth, to him whom the nation abhorreth, to a servant of rulers, Kings shall see and arise, princes also shall worship, because of the Lord that is faithful, and the Holy One of Israel, and he shall choose thee. 8. Thus saith the Lord, In an acceptable time have I heard thee, and in a day of salvation have I helped thee: and I will preserve thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, to establish the earth, to cause to inherit the desolate heritages; 9. That thou mayest say to the prisoners, Go forth; to them that are in darkness, shew yourselves. They shall feed in the ways, and their pastures shall be in all high places.

I cannot help it because Judas-priests and "hirelings" teaching falsehoods to make an easy living deceived all of us in the churches. We paid those turkeys "tithes and offerings" to lie to us!! We all were taught that "If we do not do what they say and join their churches we will die and burn in hell"! That threat seemed believable so we joined the churches and told men they must "do this and do that to save themselves from damnation". This is the doctrine of "self-salvation" makin each man responsible for his own salvation. THAT IS A LIE, the direct opposite of FATHER'S PLAN AND USE OF THE SON clearly spelled out in the scriptures above! There is one DESIGNATED FAMILY HERO whose job is to be Father's salvation and covenant to the ends of the earth!

Romans 5:15. But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17. For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18. Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. 20. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21. That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.


Many turn on their fellowman because the devils have enslaved them to to some of the worse imaginable sins! The "elder son" was against his "prodigal" brother because he could not forgive his trespasses, Matthew 6:14-15, 18:29-25.

Matthew 24:12. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

The presence of all kinds of sin does not phase the Lamb of God nor diminish his love! He was chosen by the Father as HIS FAMILY HERO to save and redeem all the children He created! So John praised him and said:

John 1:29. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 12:32. And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

John 10:28. And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

There is no need to DOUBT JESUS! He is just DOING HIS JOB .... as FAMILY HERO!

I don't know about you, but I understand Father's WAY of choosing one man in times of family crisis! Jesus must be praised for his willingness to sacrifice himself on a cross to DO FATHER'S WILL on behalf of the entire creation! Amen!

Revelation 5:9. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10. And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. 11. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; 12. Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, honour, and glory, and blessing. 13. And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

John
ourfamily1 :wink: :P :D :lol:
 
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