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Is The Battle Of Armageddon Near?

rwbovee

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Yes, I think it is. It's pretty obvious we're in the last days. David Wilkerson came out with his "The Vision" years ago, but it seems this is finally happening now. It seems we're having unprecedented economic problems today, worse even than the Great Depression. When you're having record foreclosures, high unemployment, bank collapses, stock market crash, inflation, trade deficits, budget deficits, etc. all at the same time how can you call this a good or improving economy? Virtually every indicator is negative.

I could get into politics, but for those who think getting the Republicans back in power is going to change much, dream on. They were trying to turn the US into a fascist dictatorship and the Obama administration a communist dictatorship. What's the difference? The same people control both the Republican and Democratic parties. Wake up and smell the coffee.

But I think we've maybe been going through the Great Tribulation already. Haven't things gotten pretty weird since 9/11? And a lot of earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, oil spills, wild fires, wars, rumors of wars, etc. And we're now torturing prisoners and according to a recent poll the majority of regular church attending Christians are supporting this practice, while it's the majority of nonattending people who don't. What's wrong with this picture? The Bible prophesied that the last days church would largely have fallen away from the true faith.

And we know that from Zechariah 12:3 that in the last days Jerusalem would be a "burdensome stone for all people." We know that in recent years Israel's wrath has fallen on Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, aid ship flotillas, etc. Then the Bible predicts that there will be a massive invasion by numerous countries of Israel. The Battle of Armageddon. I was there at one time. The Valley of Megiddo, and the tour guide said that that was where this great Battle of Armageddon would one day be fought.

Jesus Christ also predicted this. "And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." Luke 21:20. And the United States at this time may be completely wiped out, because a lot of people think the United States is the Babylon of Bible prophesies of Jeremiah chapters 50 and 51 and Revelation chapters 17 and 18. The good news is that Jesus Christ will return at this time to take over the earth that worldly people have made a mess of. Many Jews will be saved at this time, especially in Israel. "They will look on him whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son." See http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0030/0030_01.asp
 
I agree with a lot of what you said, and I disagree with some of it as well, but there is one thing that especially caught my attention in what you said.

rwbovee said:
But I think we've maybe been going through the Great Tribulation already. Haven't things gotten pretty weird since 9/11?

There are a few different theories about how long the Great tribulation will be. The most common theory is that it will be 7 years, many people believe it will be 3 1/2 years and some believe that it will be 10 1/2 years. Setp. 11 2001 was nearly 9 years ago. If that was the start of the Great Tribulation, then according to the first two theories, it should already be over. According to the last theory there should only be about 1 1/2 years left. Why don't we see anyone require us to have marks on our hands or forheads yet?
 
Topic moved to End Times.

Please post threads in the respective forums. Thanks.
 
But I think we've maybe been going through the Great Tribulation already. Haven't things gotten pretty weird since 9/11?

I have often commented that I have seen a radical change in thinking probably in the last 15-20 years, and especially more so since 9-11. Those of us who hold traditional values are at best deemed eccentric, and at worst perhaps a threat. However, I don't think the tribulation started yet. The way the bible describes the Great Tribulation, what we are experiencing is nothing. These things are just forerunners of that terrible time as things fall into place.
 
It certainly seems like many of the prophetic markers of the end times are happening in this generation. There is no definitive way of knowing when the true end of the world, Daniel's 70th week, will commence, but the signs are becoming more and more apparent each day.


Nevertheless, come Lord Jesus!
 
Here are some answers for you.

Habakkuk 2
1 I will stand at my watch
and station myself on the ramparts;
I will look to see what he will say to me,
and what answer I am to give to this complaint.

The LORD's Answer
2 Then the LORD replied:
"Write down the revelation
and make it plain on tablets
so that a messenger may run with it.
3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time;
it speaks of the end
and will not prove false.
Though it linger, wait for it;
it will certainly come and will not delay.


Revelation 10:6
And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

Who is a Jew or the nation Israel:
http://judaicchristianforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=prophecy&action=display&thread=65

Isaiah 18 commentary: http://judaicchristianforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=prophecy&action=display&thread=55

Armageddon or Harmagedon: http://judaicchristianforum.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=prophecy&action=display&thread=63
 
In order for the Battle of Armageddon, the Tribulation must happen FIRST. The rapture must happen before the Tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Paul writes,"But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words." This event will happen faster than a blink an eye.
 
In order for the Battle of Armageddon, the Tribulation must happen FIRST. The rapture must happen before the Tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Paul writes,"But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words." This event will happen faster than a blink an eye.
MA, with your first post, welcome to CFnet. You should be aware that our site took a very unexpected overhaul today, and there is very little activity because of it. This is why you see no posts over the last few weeks. Regretfully, you happened to catch us at a very inopportune time. I hope you hang in there as we get this site settled down again. We'll get there. Its' just going to take some time.

Again, welcome to the boards!
:thumb

Mike (
former moderator) ;)
 
Here are some answers for you.

Habakkuk 2
1 I will stand at my watch
and station myself on the ramparts;
I will look to see what he will say to me,
and what answer I am to give to this complaint.

The LORD's Answer
2 Then the LORD replied:
"Write down the revelation
and make it plain on tablets
so that a messenger may run with it.
3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time;
it speaks of the end
and will not prove false.
Though it linger, wait for it;
it will certainly come and will not delay.

Revelation 10:6
And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay!

Who is a Jew or the nation Israel:
Judaic Christian Forum - Who is a Jew or the nation Israel

Isaiah 18 commentary: Judaic Christian Forum - Isaiah 18 commentary

Armageddon or Harmagedon: Judaic Christian Forum - Armageddon or Harmagedon
A editors worst nightmare.
 
In order for the Battle of Armageddon, the Tribulation must happen FIRST. The rapture must happen before the Tribulation. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Paul writes,"But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words." This event will happen faster than a blink an eye.

Welcome to the forum!
Your post statements are of a mind set that there is great debate about.
This is my stand on this issue;
As you stated, "the Tribulation must happen FIRST. The rapture must happen before the Tribulation."
and then you quoted, "1 Thessalonians 4:13-18...For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep."

How is it that the rapture PRECEDES the resurrection?
If the resurrection takes place at the coming of the Lord and happens BEFORE "we who are still alive and REMAIN UNTIL the coming" how can there be a pre-trib rapture?

The pre-trib rapture IMO is one of the great deceptions, a doctrine for those who wish to hear what their itching ears want to hear. It is a mindset that disavows duty to preach the gospel in the whole world DURING the Great Tribulation. Who is this Great Multitude in white robes? Those who have come out of the Great Tribulation are clearly not pre-trib raptured.

I continue to maintain that those who believe in a pre-trib rapture have set themselves up to be "left behind" and that this becomes a serious faith shaker, and opens the door for further lies like:
"You were never saved in the first place, that's why you got left behind."

But you can find plenty of people here to stand in your corner and comfort you in this pre-trib thinking.
I'll be here to comfort all of you after you get left behind and find yourselves in the middle of the Great Tribulation.
 
MA, with your first post, welcome to CFnet. You should be aware that our site took a very unexpected overhaul today, and there is very little activity because of it. This is why you see no posts over the last few weeks. Regretfully, you happened to catch us at a very inopportune time. I hope you hang in there as we get this site settled down again. We'll get there. Its' just going to take some time.

Again, welcome to the boards!
:thumb

Mike (
former moderator) ;)

Unfortunatly most forum upgrades are disasters. Nothing out of the ordinary for this forum it seems.

Oh i also believe the second coming of Jesus is near. As for rapture i believe it will happen on the day of the Messiah's return. So no pre-tribulation rapture. Personaly i am looking towards the years 2029 or 2036 the coming of the meteor Apophis. I believe the mayor cause of destruction during the wrath will come from a meteor strike on plant earth. Since 2029 is 2000 years after the Messiahs death and resurection Apophis could very well be the meteor (burning mountain that is cast into the sea) that will strike the earth.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
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