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Is there such thing as a liberal Christian?
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I think you answered your own question.
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His_nee (Jeff)
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That is on purpose. The agenda of the world and the prince of darkness is to confuse as many as possible, and to keep little ones from finding the kingdom of heaven. We all were born into such a world, and have little hope in ourselves, no hope actually, of finding the truth.
Considering the numbers/multitudes whe the BIBLE says will not repent, the enemy has succeeded in sheer outrageous numbers, but failed in deceiving Yhwh's chosen ones.
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In liberal Christian teaching, which is not Christian at all, man’s reason is stressed and is treated as the final authority. Liberal theologians seek to reconcile Christianity with secular science and modern thinking.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/liberal-Christian-theology.html#ixzz35J1aLcxO
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/liberal-Christian-theology.html#ixzz35J1aLcxO
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Give some examples ?
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Liberals support:
Abortion
Embryonic Stem Cell research
Euthanasia legalized
Same Sex marriage
To name a few.
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This is one of the only lists I've seen, and didn't have time to double check it's accuracy: (there's probably more, not less, to account for)
"Artemis answered 3 months ago
What about all the sins that christians commit everyday?
The 67 Deadly Sins of the New Testament.
Starting with Galatians 5:19-21. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; 1 Adultery, 2 fornication, 3 uncleanness, 4 lasciviousness,
5 Idolatry, 6 witchcraft, 7 hatred, 8 variance, 9 emulations, 10 wrath, 11 strife, 12 seditions, 13 heresies,
14 Envyings, 15 murders, 16 drunkenness, 17 revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all 19 unrighteousness, fornication, 20 wickedness, 21 covetousness, 22 maliciousness; full of envy, murder, 23 debate, 24 deceit, 25 malignity; 26 whisperers, 27 Backbiters, 28 haters of God, 29 despiteful, 30 proud, 31 boasters, 32 inventors of evil things, 33 disobedient to parents, 34 Without understanding, 35 covenantbreakers, 36 without natural affection, 37 implacable, 38 unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 Timothy 1:9-10
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the 39 lawless and disobedient, 40 for the ungodly and 41 for sinners, 42 for unholy and profane, 43 for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For 44 whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, 45for menstealers, 46 for liars, 47 for perjured persons, 48 and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Revelation 21:8 But the 49 fearful, and 50 unbelieving, and 51 the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and 52 sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Murderers, whoremongers, idolaters and liars were already covered. I count four more types of sinners going to burn in the lake of fire. 52 deadly sins by my count.
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but 53 whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Calling someone a fool. That's another deadly sin. That's 53 for you scoring at home.
Matthew 5:28, 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Looking at a woman with lust in your heart and divorce. 55 deadly sins.
Matthew 19:18-19
[..]If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, 56 Thou shalt not steal, 57 Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, 58 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Murder, adultery and disobedience toward parents have been covered already, so that's three more. That is 58 deadly sins.
Ephesians 5:3-7, 18 Neither 59 filthiness, 60 nor foolish talking, 61 nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
And 62 do not be drunk with wine, which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit
Mark 7:21-22 For from within, out of the heart of men, 63 proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, 64 an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, 65 foolishness:
2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, 66 swellings, 67 tumults:
That is now 67 deadly sins according to the New Testament."
"Artemis answered 3 months ago
What about all the sins that christians commit everyday?
The 67 Deadly Sins of the New Testament.
Starting with Galatians 5:19-21. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; 1 Adultery, 2 fornication, 3 uncleanness, 4 lasciviousness,
5 Idolatry, 6 witchcraft, 7 hatred, 8 variance, 9 emulations, 10 wrath, 11 strife, 12 seditions, 13 heresies,
14 Envyings, 15 murders, 16 drunkenness, 17 revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Being filled with all 19 unrighteousness, fornication, 20 wickedness, 21 covetousness, 22 maliciousness; full of envy, murder, 23 debate, 24 deceit, 25 malignity; 26 whisperers, 27 Backbiters, 28 haters of God, 29 despiteful, 30 proud, 31 boasters, 32 inventors of evil things, 33 disobedient to parents, 34 Without understanding, 35 covenantbreakers, 36 without natural affection, 37 implacable, 38 unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
1 Timothy 1:9-10
Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the 39 lawless and disobedient, 40 for the ungodly and 41 for sinners, 42 for unholy and profane, 43 for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For 44 whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, 45for menstealers, 46 for liars, 47 for perjured persons, 48 and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;
Revelation 21:8 But the 49 fearful, and 50 unbelieving, and 51 the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and 52 sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Murderers, whoremongers, idolaters and liars were already covered. I count four more types of sinners going to burn in the lake of fire. 52 deadly sins by my count.
Matthew 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but 53 whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Calling someone a fool. That's another deadly sin. That's 53 for you scoring at home.
Matthew 5:28, 32 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Looking at a woman with lust in your heart and divorce. 55 deadly sins.
Matthew 19:18-19
[..]If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, 56 Thou shalt not steal, 57 Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, 58 Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Murder, adultery and disobedience toward parents have been covered already, so that's three more. That is 58 deadly sins.
Ephesians 5:3-7, 18 Neither 59 filthiness, 60 nor foolish talking, 61 nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
And 62 do not be drunk with wine, which is dissipation; but be filled with the Spirit
Mark 7:21-22 For from within, out of the heart of men, 63 proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, 64 an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, 65 foolishness:
2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, 66 swellings, 67 tumults:
That is now 67 deadly sins according to the New Testament."
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I do agree that Christians commit sins everyday.Some of the above are pretty drastic.I am thinking about our thoughts.If a Christians has ever thought an unkind thought towards anyone that is a sin.That is pretty easy to do.Jealousy is one as well and so is pride.But I have not commited any witchcraft or murdered anyone.
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The Scriptures do not say that everyone commits sin every day, nor that they have to. (1 John chapters 1 to 5).
It is written that if they continually and willingly sin, then the Light is not in them. That is hard to bear, but it is written and should not be changed.
It is written that "IF" we sin, we have an advocate with the Father......
"AND" there are conditions in Scripture for Yeshua to be our advocate.....
Once the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death, that makes all the difference, as it is written.
But if someone sins and continues in sin willfully, well, several Scriptures already address that, and it doesn't turn out good for them if they don't change.
This life change is remarkable and takes Yhwh's accomplishment in believers in Christ Jesus, and He Delights to do so, as it is written .
It is written that if they continually and willingly sin, then the Light is not in them. That is hard to bear, but it is written and should not be changed.
It is written that "IF" we sin, we have an advocate with the Father......
"AND" there are conditions in Scripture for Yeshua to be our advocate.....
Once the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set us free from the law of sin and death, that makes all the difference, as it is written.
But if someone sins and continues in sin willfully, well, several Scriptures already address that, and it doesn't turn out good for them if they don't change.
This life change is remarkable and takes Yhwh's accomplishment in believers in Christ Jesus, and He Delights to do so, as it is written .
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If someone intentionally sinning every day and do not repent of those sins are they truely a Christian?
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The word "liberal" can mean many things, depending on how it is used. People can be socially, economically, politically or religiously liberal. A person can be liberal in one area and conservative in another. I myself am liberal in some of those areas, but conservative in others. Does that make me a "liberal Christian"?
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I can't answer that plainly. 1 John chapters 1 through 5 does specifically answer that several times.
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ok so if one is a libertarian does that make them a liberal Christian.
a libertarian in general supports the above but doesn't think one group should be made to support those things they don't like. its my belief, that while gay rights may come and adoption. I will not vote for them but given the nature of man to sin. we would be better spending our time reaching the lost rather then trying to make sin illegal
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Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that MOST liberals support?
The RCC does not support any of those things.
And most in the Jewish community don't support those things.
And the majority in both groups vote liberal.
There is such as thing as a conservative Democratic and not all of them would support those things.
There are conservative Democratics that would agree with libertarians about those things.
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The more important question is would Scripture support those list of things?
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What does scripture say about secular governments? Does a government that allows Christians to freely exercise there religion, but also supports those those that choose not to hold onto Biblical/Christian view points effect a Christian? Is a Christian not free to allow such a government exist, or do they have to stop and hinder those that wish to not follow Christian doctrine?
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Who brought up the rcc? Other than large numbers , what does it matter how they vote ?
And during the holocaust,
some of the high ranking Jews participated in killing as many as hitler did, and almost as many (as it was reported by martyrs) the rcc did in africa the last 30 to 60 years .....
I don't think the 'lower'(?) Jews agree with the wickednesses of the higher(?) Jews though - haven't seen much about them.
And during the holocaust,
some of the high ranking Jews participated in killing as many as hitler did, and almost as many (as it was reported by martyrs) the rcc did in africa the last 30 to 60 years .....
I don't think the 'lower'(?) Jews agree with the wickednesses of the higher(?) Jews though - haven't seen much about them.
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Good questions.
In china, where believers are persecuted daily and put to death when caught, the ecclesia is growing faster than anywhere else in the world (UNofficially). (and they submit to the government regulations and penalties for their Faithfulness to Yeshua, even to death for the Gospel's sake, without resistance. they may flee if able to, but the only weapon they use is PRAYER to ALMIGHTY YHWH in YESHUA's NAME)
They in china and in africa and in russia are praying for believers and people in the untied states.