Bible Study Isaiah 65:20

[AIR]

No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

What does this mean? Can you die in Heaven? Please help me understand this!

 

[Chopper]

No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

What does this mean? Can you die in Heaven? Please help me understand this!

Hi Ben, Isaiah 65:20 is speaking about the "New Jerusalem" This is after the final resurrection, great white throne judgment, and the lake of fire. There will be a new heaven and earth. The New Jerusalem will be the residence of God Almighty and Jesus. Those who inhabit that New Jerusalem will never die. The verse is saying, an infant will not live but a few years, and men will not die before being an old man. Actually, there will be no death in heaven, we will live for all eternity....hope this helps.

 

[Andrew Mason]

No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

What does this mean? Can you die in Heaven? Please help me understand this!

I agree with Chopper.

Basically, one of the promises of the New Age is longevity. Death will not be able to take an infant or an old man is the concept at the beginning of the verse.

The 2nd part expresses an opposite truth: A sinful person who dies at the age of 100 will be considered a "youth" because, had they lived in Christ, they would have had so much longer to live in eternity.

 

[Chopper]

I agree with Chopper.

Basically, one of the promises of the New Age is longevity. Death will not be able to take an infant or an old man is the concept at the beginning of the verse.

The 2nd part expresses an opposite truth: A sinful person who dies at the age of 100 will be considered a "youth" because, had they lived in Christ, they would have had so much longer to live in eternity.

Mr. Small (House) Church, glad to hear from you. How are things in the most important ministry in these last days. I have been encouraging my Son Skip to start a house church. Like a lot of people, he is disappointed in the church and its pastor for not teaching the whole council of the Word. He is seriously praying about it. When he gets ready, do you have information that would be helpful in getting it established? And do you have a fellowship of small churches for support?

 

[Andrew Mason]

Mr. Small (House) Church, glad to hear from you. How are things in the most important ministry in these last days. I have been encouraging my Son Skip to start a house church. Like a lot of people, he is disappointed in the church and its pastor for not teaching the whole council of the Word. He is seriously praying about it. When he gets ready, do you have information that would be helpful in getting it established? And do you have a fellowship of small churches for support?

Doing well Chopper, thanks for asking. My site, Small Group Churches, isn't specifically targeted at house churches per say, more small groups that belong to churches, BUT, many of the principles and concepts are transferable. We have some great resources on there along with a message board for him to ask questions if he has them. One of our main pages is entitled "Starter Kit." I would recommend for him to check that out too...

 

[gr8grace3]

No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

What does this mean? Can you die in Heaven? Please help me understand this!

Verses 17-19 are describing the new Jerusalem. Verses 20 and beyond describes the Millennial Reign of Christ. This is not a picture of heaven. People will still live and die and work.

The Millennial reign of Christ is actually mankinds last excuse. Even with the Lord ruling,Satan bound, having perfect justice and perfect environment, Mankind still rejects the Lord Jesus Christ. We can make no excuses. the Lord has provided mankind every type of scenario and mankind still rejects Him. The millennial reign is the last chance for mankind to fess up, no matter what kind of environment He offers man, man will still reject him.

Rev 20:7-8~~7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison,8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore.…

 

[Chopper]

Doing well Chopper, thanks for asking. My site, Small Group Churches, isn't specifically targeted at house churches per say, more small groups that belong to churches, BUT, many of the principles and concepts are transferable. We have some great resources on there along with a message board for him to ask questions if he has them. One of our main pages is entitled "Starter Kit." I would recommend for him to check that out too...

Thank you Andrew, I'll pass that info. to him.

 

[JohnD]

Isaiah describes a time when the earth will be returned to Edenic conditions when people lived on the order of 900 years. Hence a person of 100 years will be though a mere child. The passage does say people will die. This may or may not be what is referred to in Revelation 20. The language there is too vague... which is IMHO deliberate. Like the vagueness of what date the actual Passover Seder is to be kept (14 Nisan or 15 Nisan). God knew the official date would be 15 Nisan so Jesus could keep the actual date (14 Nisan) Passover Seder and the next day be crucified when the pascal lamb was sacrificed for the official Seder. I have heard it called the Galilean Seder (14 Nisan) which was viewed by the Sanhedrin as the commoner Passover (which also helped with the overcrowding in Jerusalem.

So, when the Spirit who wrote the Bible (2 Peter 1:20-21) is vague on a point, it serves a purpose that will become clear when it is fulfilled.

Revelation 20 (according to my interpretation) is like so many stories we read and movies we watch which moves back and forth through time and events, this the Christian era being the actual Millennium ("thousand years" which was a Greek expression of a very long time akin to our saying "never in a million years."). This would also mean the passage in the chapter about the Armageddon scenario is a recap rather than a repeat of historic events...

In Isaiah, the "thousand years" could be of a gap period in prophecy between the second coming of Jesus and the destruction of the present heaven and earth for the replacement new heaven-earth eternal reality. This "millennium" possibly could be (not that I am not dogmatic about it) a time for those who "never heard the gospel" in the Jewish people to have a chance to respond to it. I do not know.

But the matter of the existence of death in that millennium distinguishes it from a millennium after the second coming and death having already been thrown into the lake of fire.

 

[About the Son of God]

No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

What does this mean? Can you die in Heaven? Please help me understand this!

There is neither death nor marriage in heaven; hence no new children...

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

So, that, it doesn't follow that Isaiah 65:20 onward, is speaking of heaven ; because it speaks of children growing and dying.

Prophecy can easily switch from an idealized future -- into the present -- or even the past.
eg: consider: The woman Jesus met at the well was not told her future, but her past; and to that she replied "I see you are a prophet."

In Isaiah, I'll just note in passing that the number 10 means divine, perfection, magnification, and God.
Hence 100 is 10x10 -- a number that can be understood as a sign of God's glory being magnified to the world; a sign of his blessing.

It doesn't necessarily mean a literal 100 years, our time, either.
For prophecy will often times substitute one unit of time for another.

2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

 

[AIR]

So what about husband and wife, they wont be togethwr anymore?

 

[About the Son of God]

So what about husband and wife, they wont be togethwr anymore?

Not sexually. Sexuality is for bringing forth children, or bringing forth the fullness of the body of Christ as Christians.
But once the end of the world comes, that will no longer be necessary, desirable nor would it be appropriate since we will likely be brothers and sisters in a bodily way that we are not now.

Notice the question Jesus was answering when he spoke of there being no more marriage in heaven:

Matthew 22:25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue [child], left his wife unto his brother:
Matthew 22:26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
Matthew 22:27 And last of all the woman died also.
Matthew 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

The question is phrased as being about the topic of polyandry in heaven, AKA "many husbands at-once"

When Jesus answers the question, he poses two reasons for his answer:
Matthew 22:29 ... the scriptures, ... the power of God ...

Then, for each reason, Jesus gives a more complete answer in the verses which followed.

I'll briefly address Jesus' second response "the power of God":
Since God is the God of the living, eg: Abraham Isaac and Jacob -- if they really could still procreate in the afterlife; then the promise of God here on earth does not need be kept ; for it could be fulfilled in the afterlife.
So, I'm going to say that procreation in the afterlife is inconsistent with what was revealed by God about the necessity of his promise being fulfilled [eg: here on earth ] several times in scripture. The sacrifice of Isaac included..

Now I'll address the first response Jesus gave in Matthew 22:29++ the meaning of marriage; but first focus on the passage Jesus is quoting:

Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

This passage defines marriage on earth: When a man and woman give to each other their "flesh" and I mean the very slip/clay of their bodies -- that act makes a permanent change to both their bodies so as to unite them.
It also brings about the possibility of having children as a separate consequence.

But also notice that the passage specifies that the "two" become one flesh, and "wife" is singular -- not the three nor four, nor seven (Even under an Oath, or "completely" as the Sadducees asked symbolically by saying seven)...
Therefore: This passage absolutely does NOT support polygamy (many wives at-once) or polyandry.

The passage doesn't even really support divorce as part of God's plan, for divorce was only supposed to be on account of a perversion of the marriage, AKA: porn or apostasy. Such a marriage is never joined by God, but rather marriages joined by God are to be exactly as was Adam and Eve, which means divorce itself can be a perversion/sin in some cases:

Malachi 2:13 And this have ye done again, covering the altar of the LORD with tears, with weeping, and with crying out, insomuch that he regardeth not the offering any more, or receiveth it with good will at your hand.
Malachi 2:14 Yet ye say, Wherefore? Because the LORD hath been witness between thee and the wife of thy youth, against whom thou hast dealt treacherously: yet is she thy companion, and the wife of thy covenant.
Malachi 2:15 And did not he[/you] make one? Yet had he[/you] the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.
Malachi 2:16 For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away [divorce/apostasy]: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore take heed to your spirit, that ye deal not treacherously.

So it's important to grasp that Genesis is about God's plan for marriage -- to bring about a godly seed -- which may in fact be different than man's plan for marriage.

Mark 10:3 And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you?
Mark 10:4 And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
Mark 10:5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart [AKA because of your transgressions/perversions] he wrote you this precept.
Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
Mark 10:7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
Mark 10:8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
Mark 10:9 What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

At this point, there is a set of logical questions which people often don't ask, but I'll just bring up as puzzles to ponder...

Consider: Sexual union brings about children who are not automatically "saved" -- how could this possibly be done in heaven?

Or again: Since Eve was Adam's wife by her very creation, and not sexual union after they were made -- consider the resurrection, when we are created anew and in a new way. On earth, if our fleshly relationship is too "close" it's called incest; and even adopted brothers and sisters do not generally marry; or if the sexual act is immoral it's called adultery, prostitution or sodomy, etc. ( all summed up by the words "hard porn" AKA pornea in Greek )

Yet, think about how close people must be in a legal sense in heaven...?
For the body which rises from the dead is a glorified body, not the body of "flesh" which we have now; and it's the flesh we have now which permits or denies the ability to marry.

Or looked at another way; what woman once in heaven is not already perfectly married (more precisely, covenanted) to one man -- namely Jesus the Christ -- but not by sexual union? For what is only partially true here -- can be perfectly true in heaven:

John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

I would be very concerned that any woman who would have sexual relations with a man [other than Jesus the Christ, her "husband"] in heaven -- could automatically be an adulteress.
And Jesus never promised sexual relations with anyone; but he does say that those who are about heaven's business [himself included] may avoid sexual relations for the sake of heaven itself.

This might not be obvious at first; but there are no records of Christians actually castrating themselves [and only one, namely Origen, even suspected of it], yet look what Jesus says approving of celibacy...

Matthew 19:10 His disciples say unto him, If the case of the man be so with his wife, it is not good to marry.
Matthew 19:11 But he said unto them, All men cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.
Matthew 19:12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Hope this helps stir up some thoughts....

 

[AIR]

Hope this helps stir up some thoughts....

, I did not understand much because I'm not speaking English fluently and your post was too big for me to understand all of it. If you could compact this as a few sentences, it would make more sense!

So basically, when I meet my wife we will be together forever? We will live in the same house in Heaven, as a married couple but we are not allowed to have sex? Sorry, for my English understanding

 

[About the Son of God]

, I did not understand much because I'm not speaking English fluently and your post was too big for me to understand all of it. If you could compact this as a few sentences, it would make more sense!

So basically, when I meet my wife we will be together forever? We will live in the same house in Heaven, as a married couple but we are not allowed to have sex? Sorry, for my English understanding

Assuming your wife and you both are in fact, saved -- you will be together with her and millions of other people forever.

However, the "House" in heaven is God's temple -- not a little three bedroom cottage...!


A "simple" explanation? -- OK! For all *practical* sexual purposes you will not be married to your wife anymore, once you are in heaven.
The very fact that you married a woman on earth -- does not give you rights to her in heaven.

Matthew 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, You are in error, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Matthew 22:30 Because, in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

There is only one thing Jesus didn't explain: Why doesn't she *remain* your wife?
Because death ends a marriage. eg: Death (and glorification) removes all laws and agreements that cause marriage to be valid here on earth.

So once you and your wife die -- You theoretically would need to be 're-married' in heaven, in order for her to be your 'wife' again.

Roman 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Roman 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

And, yes -- Heaven is a mystery....

Even though you might "theoretically" be able to re-marry your wife in heaven -- because she is a free to marry once she dies and rises again; none the less I think Matthew 22:30 clearly says that you won't do it and neither will she.

 

[reba]

So what about husband and wife, they wont be togethwr anymore?

after 50 years give me a brake

 

[iLOVE]

No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed.

What does this mean? Can you die in Heaven? Please help me understand this!

Isaiah 65:20 is speaking of the coming Millennium. During the coming Millennium, the Redeemed, with glorified bodies, and even those who have given their hearts to Christ at that time, will experience no death whatsoever. Even among the unredeemed, longevity of life, possibly even for hundreds of years, will be restored.

"But the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed," means that person living at that time who hasn't given his heart and life to Christ by the time he is 100 years old will be "accursed," meaning that, in all likelihood, he will not be saved."

 

[AIR]

Assuming your wife and you both are in fact, saved -- you will be together with her and millions of other people forever.

However, the "House" in heaven is God's temple -- not a little three bedroom cottage...!


A "simple" explanation? -- OK! For all *practical* sexual purposes you will not be married to your wife anymore, once you are in heaven.
The very fact that you married a woman on earth -- does not give you rights to her in heaven.

Matthew 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, You are in error, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Matthew 22:30 Because, in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

There is only one thing Jesus didn't explain: Why doesn't she *remain* your wife?
Because death ends a marriage. eg: Death (and glorification) removes all laws and agreements that cause marriage to be valid here on earth.

So once you and your wife die -- You theoretically would need to be 're-married' in heaven, in order for her to be your 'wife' again.

Roman 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Roman 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

And, yes -- Heaven is a mystery....

Even though you might "theoretically" be able to re-marry your wife in heaven -- because she is a free to marry once she dies and rises again; none the less I think Matthew 22:30 clearly says that you won't do it and neither will she.

makes more sense!! thanks :P