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Islam a hate Group??

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carey

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How is Islam any dfferent tahn any hate group??

Other than the fat it is the largest hate group in the world.
 
What happened to your previous post about 'tolerating Islam is like tolearting the nazis or kkk'. Where has that topic gone. Maybe it got token off because Carey here didnt know the kkk were christian protestants.
 
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deep_thinking said:
What happened to your previous post about 'tolerating Islam is like tolearting the nazis or kkk'. Where has that topic gone. Maybe it got token off because Carey here didnt know the kkk were christian protestants.
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the moderator took it off because they thoughtI would try to retaliate with angry posts.

that is why I posted this question.
 
Lets look at terrorism in the light of the Bible.

Deuteronomy Chapter 2 verses 32-37

32Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz.

33And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.

34And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

35Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.

36From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us:

37Only unto the land of the children of Ammon thou camest not, nor unto any place of the river Jabbok, nor unto the cities in the mountains, nor unto whatsoever the LORD our God forbad us.

Could you explain this to me. Talk about terrorism, you cant get worse than that. Killing women and children and the men.

Let me remind you Carey of the 6th commandment.

6th commandment, thou shall not kill anyone!!!!!

Carey can you explain this.
 
Jesus said quench the thirst of your enemy. Why you getting so angry for. If you had a valid point you could reply like a civilised person. Anyway reply to my previous post.

34And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:
 
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deep_thinking said:
Lets look at terrorism in the light of the Bible.

Deuteronomy Chapter 2 verses 32-37

32Then Sihon came out against us, he and all his people, to fight at Jahaz.

33And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.

34And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

35Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.

36From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us:

37Only unto the land of the children of Ammon thou camest not, nor unto any place of the river Jabbok, nor unto the cities in the mountains, nor unto whatsoever the LORD our God forbad us.

Could you explain this to me. Talk about terrorism, you cant get worse than that. Killing women and children and the men.

Let me remind you Carey of the 6th commandment.

6th commandment, thou shall not kill anyone!!!!!

Carey can you explain this.
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The commandment is not thou shalt not kill the actual word in its priginal language was though shalt not murder.

The killing of women and Chldren of occupying people of the Land of Cannan given to the Israelites was only to drive them from their land of cannan given by God.

Murder is what Muslims do in other lands Like on (-11 for example.

Murder is what Palestinians do when they blow themselves up in a cafe or on a bus and Murder women and Children because they are pssied israel got their land back after more than millenia being driven out.
 
Carey, if you are going to steryotype an entire religion based on the actions of extremists, as a hate group, then why don't I start steryotyping christianity on the actions of some of their extremists?

James Charles Kopp's shooting of abortion provider Dr. Barnett Slepian
"the troubles" in ireland
The Order (also called the Silent Brotherhood)
Ruby Ridge?
Aryan Nations;
Church of Jesus Christ Christian;
Confederate Hammerskins;
Jubilee;
LaPorte Church of Christ
Kingdom Identity Ministries
and White Separatist Banner.
Afrikaners
army of god
freedomites
The 2002 Soweto Bombings
The KKK
Christian Separatist Church Society
Paul Hills shooting of an abortion doctor
Eric Rudolph and his abortion clinic bombings
Jordi
Nagaland Rebels (Nagaland), including:
The National Liberation Front of Tripura
God's Army (a rebel faction of the Karen ethnic minority in Myanmar)


or some of the modern day Christian extremists
Ann Coulter:

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Gary DeMar:

The long term goal [is] the execution of abortionists and parents who hire them. If we argue that abortion is murder, then we must call for the death penalty.

Joseph Morecraft:

Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol.

James Watt:

We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.


* October 2, 2004 - Christian terrorist group kills 44 Hindus, wounds 118 in Northeast India. [1]
* January 16, 1997 - Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs a gay nightclub.[2]
* July 27, 1996 - Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs Centennial Olympic Park. Kills 1, wounds 111.
* 1983 - Posse Comitatus militia member Gordon Kahl kills two Federal marshals in North Dakota. Three others are wounded.
* 1969-2001 - over 3000 people are killed in Ireland and the United Kingdom as a result of bombings and other violent acts between the predominently Roman Catholic Irish nationalists on one side, and the predominently Protestant Unionists and secular British Crown forces on the other. More than 1800 of those killed in "The Troubles" are civilians, many the victims of sectarian attacks.
* 1940s - Terrorist organization Christian Identity is formed on the West Coast of the United States. Followers believe Armageddon will take place as a race war between Aryans, the "pure" people, against Jews, Muslims, and non-whites.



So. Do you still want to stereotype all of islam as being a religion of hate, when your same religion is full of it. (not to mention the Crusades, witch trials, the inquisition, spanish catholic imperialism, etc, etc.
 
@Peace4all: Thank you so much for that information. It saddens me carey always does this.

@deep_thinking: Sorry you have to deal with this. Why can't we all just be peaceful?

@carey: :smt011
 
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peace4all said:
Carey, if you are going to steryotype an entire religion based on the actions of extremists, as a hate group, then why don't I start steryotyping christianity on the actions of some of their extremists?

James Charles Kopp's shooting of abortion provider Dr. Barnett Slepian
"the troubles" in ireland
The Order (also called the Silent Brotherhood)
Ruby Ridge?
Aryan Nations;
Church of Jesus Christ Christian;
Confederate Hammerskins;
Jubilee;
LaPorte Church of Christ
Kingdom Identity Ministries
and White Separatist Banner.
Afrikaners
army of god
freedomites
The 2002 Soweto Bombings
The KKK
Christian Separatist Church Society
Paul Hills shooting of an abortion doctor
Eric Rudolph and his abortion clinic bombings
Jordi
Nagaland Rebels (Nagaland), including:
The National Liberation Front of Tripura
God's Army (a rebel faction of the Karen ethnic minority in Myanmar)


or some of the modern day Christian extremists
Ann Coulter:

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Gary DeMar:

The long term goal [is] the execution of abortionists and parents who hire them. If we argue that abortion is murder, then we must call for the death penalty.

Joseph Morecraft:

Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol.

James Watt:

We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand.


* October 2, 2004 - Christian terrorist group kills 44 Hindus, wounds 118 in Northeast India. [1]
* January 16, 1997 - Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs a gay nightclub.[2]
* July 27, 1996 - Christian Identity terrorist Eric Robert Rudolph bombs Centennial Olympic Park. Kills 1, wounds 111.
* 1983 - Posse Comitatus militia member Gordon Kahl kills two Federal marshals in North Dakota. Three others are wounded.
* 1969-2001 - over 3000 people are killed in Ireland and the United Kingdom as a result of bombings and other violent acts between the predominently Roman Catholic Irish nationalists on one side, and the predominently Protestant Unionists and secular British Crown forces on the other. More than 1800 of those killed in "The Troubles" are civilians, many the victims of sectarian attacks.
* 1940s - Terrorist organization Christian Identity is formed on the West Coast of the United States. Followers believe Armageddon will take place as a race war between Aryans, the "pure" people, against Jews, Muslims, and non-whites.



So. Do you still want to stereotype all of islam as being a religion of hate, when your same religion is full of it. (not to mention the Crusades, witch trials, the inquisition, spanish catholic imperialism, etc, etc.
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No Christian Bible says this is why I stereo type Islam not muslims.

Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..." (Surah 9:12-)

"It ill becomes the idolaters [non-Muslims] to visit the mosques of God..." (Surah 9:17)

But the EVIL Quran does


Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people

who brought it to our shores on September11, 2001 ?



Were people from all over the world, mostly Americans, not brutally murdered that day,

in downtown Manhattan , across the Potomac From our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania ?



Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?



And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was "desecrated" when an overworked

American soldier kicked it or got it wet? Well, I don't. I don't care at all.



I'll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all

those innocent people on 9/11.



I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible,

the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia .



I'll care when Abu Musab al-Zarqawi tells the world he is sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's

head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.



I'll care when the cowardly so-called "insurgents" in Iraq come out and fight like men

instead of disrespecting their own religion by Hiding in mosques.



I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care

about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.



I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties

are somehow derived from international law Instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights.



In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave Marine roughing up an

Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care.



When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated

in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured that I don't care.



When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move

because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank that I don't care.



When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed

"special" food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book

is being "mishandled," you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts that I don't care.



And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled "Koran" and other times "Quran."

Well, Jimmy Crack Corn and ---- you Guessed it - - I don't care ! ! ! ! !



If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your e-mail friends. Sooner or later,

it'll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behavior!



If you don't agree, then by all means hit the delete button.



Should you choose the latter, then please don't complain when more atrocities

committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country.



I am not deleting this, I am sending it on, but only after I add:



--"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a

difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem."



-- Ronald Reagan



I have another quote that I would like to add AND....... I hope you forward this such as I have.



--"If we ever forget that we're One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under."



--also by... Ronald Reagan
 
so basically, you aren't going to give them respect, until they give you respect?

sounds like a common problem 6 year olds have "I won't apologize till he apologizes first"


there will always be people that use that koran, and the bible, to promote hate.

Wan't to get rid of religous hate?

get rid of religion.
 
**Please Note:
The views and opinions here are that solely of the poster and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of the entire Christian chruch**
 
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peace4all said:
so basically, you aren't going to give them respect, until they give you respect?

sounds like a common problem 6 year olds have "I won't apologize till he apologizes first"


there will always be people that use that koran, and the bible, to promote hate.

Wan't to get rid of religous hate?

get rid of religion.
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Christians dont hate they love.

A christian soldier does his duty to the military and fights back

Muslims do their duty to their religion and murder innocent unsuspecting civilian infidel non muslims.
 
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Fnerb said:
**Please Note:
The views and opinions here are that solely of the poster and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of the entire Christian chruch**
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Obviously
 
Taken from wikipedia:

A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates:
1.) hate
2.) hostility
3.) violence
towards:
1.) members of a race
2.) members of an ethnicity
3.) members of a religion
4.) or other sector of society,

Hate groups can also support and/or publish assertions and argumentation without necessarily explicitly advocating hate or violence.

Hate groups commonly propagate:
1.) assertions
2.) myths
3.) narratives
4.) rumours
playing upon:
1.) fear
2.) xenophobia
3.) blame
4.) jealousy
...with the aim of harming the individuals and groups they target, and inciting others to distrust or hate them also.

The ultimate aim of a hate group is commonly the:
1.) delegitimization
2.) elimination
3.) and exclusion of groups,
OR...
1.) the harm
2.) deportation
3.) or death of individuals.

Hate groups often use their victims as scapegoats to blame for discontent in society.
 
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Veritas said:
Taken from wikipedia:

A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates:
1.) hate
2.) hostility
3.) violence
towards:
1.) members of a race
2.) members of an ethnicity
3.) members of a religion
4.) or other sector of society,

Hate groups can also support and/or publish assertions and argumentation without necessarily explicitly advocating hate or violence.

Hate groups commonly propagate:
1.) assertions
2.) myths
3.) narratives
4.) rumours
playing upon:
1.) fear
2.) xenophobia
3.) blame
4.) jealousy
...with the aim of harming the individuals and groups they target, and inciting others to distrust or hate them also.

The ultimate aim of a hate group is commonly the:
1.) delegitimization
2.) elimination
3.) and exclusion of groups,
OR...
1.) the harm
2.) deportation
3.) or death of individuals.

Hate groups often use their victims as scapegoats to blame for discontent in society.
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Sounds like Islam

"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)

"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
 
Hi peace4all,

Promote free will. Let everyone decide for themselves, on their own, how they wish to live, what they wish to follow, and respect them

I might not agree
I might think your wrong
but none of that matters
if we can still get along.
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People do decide for themselves, as far as Christians go they preach the gospel (to you) and move on - the results are left up to God. You too are preaching a gospel - it is different and contrary to the Gospel of Christ. The enemies of Christ (like the KKK) whether they claim to be Christian or not are not a part of the kingdom of God: by their works you will know them. Ultimately, there is only one other side opposed to the kingdom of God - though it has many and varied expressions.

blessings: stranger
 
Re: hmmm

carey said:
Christians dont hate they love.

A christian soldier does his duty to the military and fights back

Muslims do their duty to their religion and murder innocent unsuspecting civilian infidel non muslims.
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carey, you call yourself a Christian, yet there are many Christians here that do not believe you fairly represent a Christian, and in fact believe that you are not a "true" or even a good Christian.

many people look at your views, and think you are just as un-christian as some of the terrorist groups and terrorists I listed. others may look at you, and think that you are VERY Christian, and that other Christians here are not.

If it isn't your way, you don't call it Christian, and if it isn't your way, it is wrong. If "your" christian soldier does his duty, and kills a prisoner or an innocent civilian, you seem to think it is ok, but if your view of a "musliM" soldier, does his duty, and kills a prisoner, or an innocent civilian, they are evil.
 
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Bicker bicker bicker. :roll:
:sad Why do you bicker over such nonsense.

The difference between a radical and a non-radical is not what the issues should be! Not whether the non-radical muslims are bad people. We know they are not bad people and are scared out of their wits to speak out against the radicals, truth being they fear for their lives!!!!! :sad

The fact is horrifying to say the least! The truth is that the Radicals are out to kill you! And you need to be prepared and ready to fight for your country! Because Iraq is not the only place these Radicals are. They are right in your own town, waiting for instructions to attack and kill. Do you think 9/11 was the last you will see of them them? :o Be afraid and be on guard those of you who protest against defending the rights of others to live in a free country! Iraq is only the tip of the iceburg. The real reason Iraq was bombed is beyond the uneducated persons comprehension. Terrorists of concern just happen to be muslims, and if you are going to bicker because the terrorists we are dealing with just happen to be muslims, and are ignoring the real issue of tyranny and death to all infidels, then something is greatly wrong here.

Peace4all, I know you are a born of the Arab race, I know that from reading your postings from a long time ago when you were here by another name. I have nothing against your "race", and I have nothing against muslims who do not live by an oradance to kill all infidels.

However, I do have much against terrorist who call all non-muslims infidels that must be wiped off the face of this earth. You need to come to your senses and realize that your very own life is at stake. And if you don't care and would rather die than defend the country in which you live then you have not shown any sign of patriotism to the United States of America. I wonder why you come on a Christian forum bashing everything that is said against "radical" Islamists! Bashing everything that is said about standing up for righteousness. If you think your anti approach to most everything that is posted on these forums is not injurious to the dignity of America and it's patriotic citizens, you are mistaken. :-?

Brigitte Gabriel's story shows a stark reality, she is an Arab Christian and was born in Lebanon. Read her story of survival from the attacks of the Radical Islamist terrorist who came to kill and destroy her people and her country.
http://www.americancongressfortruth.com/
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Here is part of the biography of the author of the book
Why I Left Jihad : Walid Shoebat

As a young man, he became a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, and participated in acts of terror and violence against Israel, and was later imprisoned in the Russian Compound, Jerusalem's central prison for incitement and violence against Israel.

After his release, he continued his life of violence and rioting in Bethlehem and the Temple Mount. After entering the U.S, he worked as a counselor for the Arab Student Organization at Loop College in Chicago and continued his anti-Israel activities.

In 1993, Walid studied the Tanach (Jewish Bible) in a challenge to convert his wife to Islam. Six months later, after intense study, Walid realized that everything he had been taught about Jews was a lie. Convinced he was on the side of evil, he became an advocate for his former enemy.

Driven by a deep passion to heal his own soul, and to bring the truth about the Jews and Israel to the world, Walid shed his former life and his work as a software engineer and set out to tirelessly bring the cause of Israel to tens of thousands of people throughout the world: churches and synagogues, civic groups, government leaders and media.

Walid has written several online books including "Dear Muslim, Let Me Tell You Why I Believed" and "Israel, And The World's Mock Trialâ€Â, where he exposes anti-Semitism and the hatred of Jews in both the Islamic Christian and secular worlds.

read his whole bio here:http://www.shoebat.com/bio.php?

Walid's web site:
http://www.shoebat.com/
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If you are a Muslim reading these words you should be horrified and appalled, but not at me - instead at Muhammad and the clerics after him who have purposely deceived you. The evidence is overwhelming and undeniable. Prophet of Doom, relying exclusively on the Islamic Qur’an and Hadith, proves Muhammad was a con man, Allah doesn’t exist, and Islam is a fraud. If you care about your soul and that of your children, you will take advantage of the evidence and render a rational verdict. If not, you are now without excuse.

If you are a non-Muslim reading these words you should be disturbed, but not at me - instead at your politicians, media, and clerics for they have purposely deceived you. Following Muhammad’s example good Muslim jihadists are murdering and mutilating us while our leaders tell us that Islam is peaceful. We have been told that the terrorists have corrupted their religion when according to the evidence, Islam has corrupted them. If you care about your life and that of your children, you will survey the facts and render a rational verdict. If not, you too are now left without excuse.

Islam has been at war with everyone, including itself, for 1400 years. In Prophet Of Doom you'll see why Muslims celebrate, no matter how many innocents perish. You'll learn why the Islamic media promotes terror. You'll know why Muslim schools teach hate. It will become evident why imams encourage martyrdom and jihad. You will discover Islam's goals and read what it has to say about itself. You will see how violent conquest, racist genocide, and the spoils of war established the doctrine and turned a failed prophet into a world-renowned profiteer. You will recognize that the Qur’an and Hadith are a declaration of war on all mankind.

The story that unfolds in the Islamic scriptures starts out foolish, turns hateful, then punitive, violent, and repulsive. Muhammad's first Qur'anic revelations are demonic, fixated on disgusting depictions of hell, pain, and punishment. And that's the good part. The moment Muhammad and his gang slither out of Mecca, they pick up the sword and never put it down. The documentation you are about to encounter will shake you to your core.

Muslims must come to know Muhammad, Allah, and Islam as they are presented in the Qur’an and Hadith because informed people will not kill for such a demented spirit. And non-Muslims need to know that there is almost no mention of peace, tolerance, or love in Islam. We have been played for fools. Americans now have the opportunity to understand Islam before it destroys our nation.

~ Craig Winn ~
http://www.prophetofdoom.net/About_Us.Islam
http://www.prophetofdoom.net
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January 25, 2007 - Thursday
Topic(s):Book: Now they call me Infidel: Why I renounced Jihad for America, Israel, and the war on Terror,
Islamic Radicalism and Jihad, Global War on Terror
Guest(s):Nonie Darwish, Author, Now they call me Infidel: Why I renounced Jihad for America, Israel, and the war on Terror
Listen Now: Free Download http://audio.ncfr.net/download/01252007.mp3

Brought Up To Hate
Published: Friday, February 17, 2006
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21322

Why Arabs Don't Say Sorry
Published: Tuesday, May 25, 2004
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13509

The Silent Muslim Majority IS the Problem
Published: Friday, January 07, 2005
http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16554

Nonie Darwish's web site
http://www.ArabsForIsrael.com
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Ergun Caner is the President of Liberty Theological Seminary at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Virginia. When Caner was named to the position in 2005, he became the first former Muslim to become the leader of an evangelical seminary. Along with his brother Emir, Caner has become a leading voice for evangelicalism on the national stage. He has been a guest on such networks as FOX News, MSNBC, CNBC, the BBC, and TBN.

Caner has debated Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Bah’ai over sixty times at universities and colleges. He has written fourteen books, including When Worldviews Collide (LifeWay 2005), on the subject of Global Apologetics and defending the Christian faith.
http://www.erguncaner.com/home/biography/default.php


Caner was raised a Sunni Muslim in Turkey by his father, a prominent Islamic leader. But at 13, he converted to Christianity, and was promptly disowned by his family.

Now, Caner uses his education as a Muslim child, and experience as an immigrant to America to explain what he sees happening in the Middle East, specifically Israel and Lebanon.Click Here to View the Video


The Carner brothers appears on the John ankerberg show and tell why they turned away from Allah and embrased Christianity:
http://www.ankerberg.com/TV/IPR11D.asx

...
Caner Addresses Iranian President's Jesus
by Michelle Vu
Christian Post Reporter
Published: December 22, 2006
Title: Christians 'Troubled' by Iranian Leader's Christmas Greeting

excerpt:
"It's important for Christians to understand that Muslims are not monolithic," Caner told CitizenLink. "That is, all Muslims don't believe the exact same thing."
source from carer.com: http://www.erguncaner.com/home/news/iranian_president.php

List of articles on the erguncaner.com web site:
http://www.erguncaner.com/home/press/2006Articles.php
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Its really good to see that there is some people who understand islam is not all about terrorism. I am really grateful to those people who have been honest and are looking for peace.

You go around saying islam is out to get the non muslims, well you probably havent been watching the news but there are weekly bombs that go off in Muslim countries. Its not just Iraq. Let me tell you something Osama is a business man he has no authority to give a religous ruling. Do you know how they get power they blow all the true muslim scholars . Thats what they done in Pakistan about a year ago. And that person who was Iraqs most wanted i cant remember his name he is a doctor, he has no religous certificates.

I live in England and in my own town we had mosques competing to make a islamic school. It was agreed about 5 years ago that the main party who werent corrupt would have the privelage of looking after the school. Now whenit wasin its final stages they said we couldnt have it and gave it to some person who doesnt know anything about Islam. Im not sure if there is any british people on this web but who saw the dispatches program? These mosques are given to the wahabis instead of us and then they bash us about it. You think we dont complain. I assure before the saud family took over and created saudi arabia we have always been saying they are corrput. But we cant do nothing about it becuase they have money. There are some bookstores that open up only when you see a wahabi one next to it who gives free literature the other one goes bust.

In Islam one of the signs of the last day is that the leaders of the people will be corrupt. I do not have one Muslim leader that i support. None of the leaders of these countries are Scholars. The real system of governing in Islam is to have the best scholar who will become leader. Like in the early centuries of Islam they had something called Kalifah. Basically one leader who will represent the whole of Islam.

Anyway especially you Carey i got a couple of lectures i would like you to listen to. These scholars are from America and you probably have heard of them.

Does Islam Present a Program for World Domination?
http://www.zikrcast.com/podcast/audio/LBLA1.mp3

Video: "Tackling Extremism" with the UN's Alliance of Civilizations. A Doha Debates special event. Qatar Foundation, February 28th 2006.
http://www.zikrcast.com/podcast/video/Extremism.mp4

This one i havent listened to but am planning to.
Does God Love War?
http://www.zikrcast.com/podcast/audio/11.m4a

From Hiroshima to London: Political Violence & Our Collective Future
http://www.zikrcast.com/podcast/audio/1.mp3
 
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