Islam is the Red Horse

[JudaicChristian]

Zechariah 1:8
During the night I had a vision—and there before me was a man riding a red horse! He was standing among the myrtle trees in a ravine. Behind him were red, dappled and white horses.

Zechariah 6:2
The first chariot had a red horse, the second black, 3 the third white, and the fourth dappled—all of them powerful. 4 I asked the angel who was speaking to me, "What are these, my lord?"
5 The angel answered me, "These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in the presence of the Lord of the whole world. 6 The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, [Russia] the one with the white horses toward the west, [America] and the one with the dappled horses toward the south." [Australia]
[The red horse goes east]

Revelation 6:2
I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

Revelation 6:4
Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.

Revelation 6:5
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

 

[veteran]

The four horses of the apocalypse are defined within Christ's Olivet Discourse of Matthew 24 and Mark 13, and the seals of Rev.6.

The white horse of Rev.6 is about one who conquers, and wears a victory wreath (not a real crown), and has a bow of cheap fabric (look in the Greek). In Mark 13 that fits the coming of 'a pseudo Christ' ("false Christs") who is to work wonders and great signs on the earth to deceive with. His wreath crown, bow, and white horse represent a mimic of Christ coming on a white horse with a sword wearing many 'diadems' (real crowns). So the white horse of Rev.6 is about the coming of a fake.

The red horse is about war, in general, spiritual and physical. And that has not just been about Islam. In Mark 13, our Lord Jesus foretold that when we hear of wars and rumours of wars, to not what? To not be troubled. Why? Because the end is not yet as long as wars are going on. That's a direct pointer to the opposite situation, the time of "Peace and safety" Paul taught in 1 Thess.5 we are to watch for. In the end of days there will be a fake world peace on the earth, all wars ended, because there will be one world leader who will rule over the entire earth. That again, is pointing to the coming of a false messiah.

The black horse with balances, is about commerce. A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny is an expression, like you'd have to work all day just to buy a loaf of bread. That's about today's world financial system, and the redistribution of wealth to balance the equality between all nations. The Mark 13 parallel our Lord Jesus gave of that is about famine, which is especially about a spiritual famine in the end days of looking everywhere for The Word of God and not finding it (Amos 8).

The pale horse has a rider who's title is "Death". That being an entity, who would that most likely point to? Satan, since he's been given power over death. He is given to work on earth through four major areas of control; the economic ("with hunger"), the political ("with the beasts of the earth"), the educational ("to kill with sword"), and the religious ("with death" pointing to spiritual death of one's soul). That is related to the working of the locust army of the Book of Joel and Rev.9, the four development stages of the locust.

Obviously then, one needs to look much farther in general at the prophecy, move back and see the whole forest instead of simply focusing on trees like it's America, Australia, the EU, Rome, Moscow, Mecca, Jerusalem, etc. The working is world-wide within ALL nations, not just a couple or a few.

 

[prough91]

Zechariah 1:8
During the night I had a vision—and there before me was a man riding a red horse! He was standing among the myrtle trees in a ravine. Behind him were red, dappled and white horses.

Zechariah 6:2
The first chariot had a red horse, the second black, 3 the third white, and the fourth dappled—all of them powerful. 4 I asked the angel who was speaking to me, "What are these, my lord?"
5 The angel answered me, "These are the four spirits of heaven, going out from standing in the presence of the Lord of the whole world. 6 The one with the black horses is going toward the north country, [Russia] the one with the white horses toward the west, [America] and the one with the dappled horses toward the south." [Australia]
[The red horse goes east]

Revelation 6:2
I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

Revelation 6:4
Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.

Revelation 6:5
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand.

What's your reasoning that the red horse is Islam?

 

[JudaicChristian]

The white horse of Rev.6 is about one who conquers, and wears a victory wreath (not a real crown), and has a bow of cheap fabric (look in the Greek). In Mark 13 that fits the coming of 'a pseudo Christ' ("false Christs") who is to work wonders and great signs on the earth to deceive with. His wreath crown, bow, and white horse represent a mimic of Christ coming on a white horse with a sword wearing many 'diadems' (real crowns). So the white horse of Rev.6 is about the coming of a fake.

The red horse is about war, in general, spiritual and physical. And that has not just been about Islam. In Mark 13, our Lord Jesus foretold that when we hear of wars and rumours of wars, to not what? To not be troubled. Why? Because the end is not yet as long as wars are going on. That's a direct pointer to the opposite situation, the time of "Peace and safety" Paul taught in 1 Thess.5 we are to watch for. In the end of days there will be a fake world peace on the earth, all wars ended, because there will be one world leader who will rule over the entire earth. That again, is pointing to the coming of a false messiah.

The black horse with balances, is about commerce. A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny is an expression, like you'd have to work all day just to buy a loaf of bread. That's about today's world financial system, and the redistribution of wealth to balance the equality between all nations. The Mark 13 parallel our Lord Jesus gave of that is about famine, which is especially about a spiritual famine in the end days of looking everywhere for The Word of God and not finding it (Amos 8).

Obviously then, one needs to look much farther in general at the prophecy, move back and see the whole forest instead of simply focusing on trees like it's America, Australia, the EU, Rome, Moscow, Mecca, Jerusalem, etc. The working is world-wide within ALL nations, not just a couple or a few.

A white horse symbolizes victory, and the single crown is a crown of life. The person is Michael the Arch Angel. Zec 6:8 Then he called to me, "Look, those going toward the north country have given my Spirit rest in the land of the north." Russia not many years ago has again been allowing the word of God to be preached. Russia was made up of a number of nations. Again, the red horse is the Islamic nations East of Jerusalem.

 

[JudaicChristian]

What's your reasoning that the red horse is Islam?

Prophecy is normally given as Jerusalem being the center of the world. Now take a look at this scripture. Ezekiel 5:5
"This is what the Sovereign LORD says: This is Jerusalem, which I have set in the center of the nations, with countries all around her.

 

[prough91]

Prophecy is normally given as Jerusalem being the center of the world. Now take a look at this scripture[/color]. Ezekiel 5:5
"This is what the Sovereign LORD says: This is Jerusalem, which I have set in the center of the nations, with countries all around her.[/size]

Sooo, why couldn't China be the red horse? Or India? There's lots of nations to the east.

 

[veteran]

A white horse symbolizes victory, and the single crown is a crown of life. The person is Michael the Arch Angel. Zec 6:8 Then he called to me, "Look, those going toward the north country have given my Spirit rest in the land of the north." Russia not many years ago has again been allowing the word of God to be preached. Russia was made up of a number of nations. Again, the red horse is the Islamic nations East of Jerusalem.

Close, but you're missing something else, and the Scripture does not point to Michael upon a white horse at all...

Zech 6:6-8
6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.
7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.
8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
(KJV)

The black horses could represent Communism overtaking Czarist Russia which originally was a Christian monarchy tied to the British royal family (through Queen Victoria). And the white horses could also represent Communism's later easing of allowing The Gospel to be preached there, as long as that's done according to THEIR mainstream Russian Orthdox Church. The end purpose of allowing that is for what? In prep for preaching the coming of Messiah. But who is to come first, sitting in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God? The 'man of sin', the 'son of perdition', i.e., false messiah.

In Rev.6:2, the rider of the white horse wears a type of crown that is a chaplet, wreath, or garland, like those who were victorious in public games. It's the word 'stephanos' (Greek for chaplet, wreath or garland). But in Rev.19, The Rider on the white horse is our Lord Jesus, and the many 'crowns' upon His head is the Greek word 'diadema', which means a diadem, a literal crown. Thus the rider of Rev.6:2 represents the FAKE, the false messiah.

Would that align with what Communist Russia is doing with requiring all Christians in Russia to be under its state operated Church? Yes. They want to lead all Christians there into falling away to the false messiah, while the house Churches there which refuse to join in with Russia's state Church are being persecuted for standing in Christ per His Word.

But is that kind of working happenning only in Russia? No.

 

[JudaicChristian]

A white horse symbolizes victory, and the single crown is a crown of life. The person is Michael the Arch Angel. Zec 6:8 Then he called to me, "Look, those going toward the north country have given my Spirit rest in the land of the north." Russia not many years ago has again been allowing the word of God to be preached. Russia was made up of a number of nations. Again, the red horse is the Islamic nations East of Jerusalem.

Close, but you're missing something else, and the Scripture does not point to Michael upon a white horse at all...

Zech 6:6-8
6 The black horses which are therein go forth into the north country; and the white go forth after them; and the grisled go forth toward the south country.
7 And the bay went forth, and sought to go that they might walk to and fro through the earth: and he said, Get you hence, walk to and fro through the earth. So they walked to and fro through the earth.
8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
(KJV)

The black horses could represent Communism overtaking Czarist Russia which originally was a Christian monarchy tied to the British royal family (through Queen Victoria). And the white horses could also represent Communism's later easing of allowing The Gospel to be preached there, as long as that's done according to THEIR mainstream Russian Orthdox Church. The end purpose of allowing that is for what? In prep for preaching the coming of Messiah. But who is to come first, sitting in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God? The 'man of sin', the 'son of perdition', i.e., false messiah.

In Rev.6:2, the rider of the white horse wears a type of crown that is a chaplet, wreath, or garland, like those who were victorious in public games. It's the word 'stephanos' (Greek for chaplet, wreath or garland). But in Rev.19, The Rider on the white horse is our Lord Jesus, and the many 'crowns' upon His head is the Greek word 'diadema', which means a diadem, a literal crown. Thus the rider of Rev.6:2 represents the FAKE, the false messiah.

Would that align with what Communist Russia is doing with requiring all Christians in Russia to be under its state operated Church? Yes. They want to lead all Christians there into falling away to the false messiah, while the house Churches there which refuse to join in with Russia's state Church are being persecuted for standing in Christ per His Word.

But is that kind of working happenning only in Russia? No.

The White Horse does not go North to Russia. The White Horse rider in Rev 6 has only one crown, were as Yahshua has many crowns. A white Horse also symbolizes "Victory." Shall we say then that the false Christ is "Victorious in the end?"

 

[JudaicChristian]

Prophecy is normally given as Jerusalem being the center of the world. Now take a look at this scripture[/color]. Ezekiel 5:5
"This is what the Sovereign LORD says: This is Jerusalem, which I have set in the center of the nations, with countries all around her.[/size]

Sooo, why couldn't China be the red horse? Or India? There's lots of nations to the east.

Well thats a good point, and scripture does mention the kings of the East. However, there are also Islamic nations East of Bagdad also.

 

[veteran]

The White Horse does not go North to Russia. The White Horse rider in Rev 6 has only one crown, were as Yahshua has many crowns. A white Horse also symbolizes "Victory." Shall we say then that the false Christ is "Victorious in the end?"[/size]

Not at all, because the rider of the white horse in Rev.6 is to symbolize the antichrist, (which per the Greek anti-Christos can also mean 'instead of', or 'in place of' Christ.)

You did catch the comparison our Heavenly Father gave in Isaiah 14 about Lucifer didn't you? God uses Satan's own words there, of how Satan has said he will be like God, and sit in the sides of the north, which is God's Place. The more accurate translation of the word "Lucifer" there is 'morning star' (KJV translators put 'O day starre' in their original KJV margin). Satan has also claimed to be 'the morning star', while only One be The Morning Star since that Title belongs only to Christ Jesus (Rev.22:16).

The rider on the white horse of Rev.6 is in the same sense. Satan wants to be our Lord Jesus, and to be worshipped in place of our Lord. That's why our Lord warned about the 'pseudochritos' in Matt.24:24, which is another pointer to the final antichrist.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The White Horse does not go North to Russia. The White Horse rider in Rev 6 has only one crown, were as Yahshua has many crowns. A white Horse also symbolizes "Victory." Shall we say then that the false Christ is "Victorious in the end?"[/size]

Not at all, because the rider of the white horse in Rev.6 is to symbolize the antichrist, (which per the Greek anti-Christos can also mean 'instead of', or 'in place of' Christ.)

You did catch the comparison our Heavenly Father gave in Isaiah 14 about Lucifer didn't you? God uses Satan's own words there, of how Satan has said he will be like God, and sit in the sides of the north, which is God's Place. The more accurate translation of the word "Lucifer" there is 'morning star' (KJV translators put 'O day starre' in their original KJV margin). Satan has also claimed to be 'the morning star', while only One be The Morning Star since that Title belongs only to Christ Jesus (Rev.22:16).

The rider on the white horse of Rev.6 is in the same sense. Satan wants to be our Lord Jesus, and to be worshipped in place of our Lord. That's why our Lord warned about the 'pseudochritos' in Matt.24:24, which is another pointer to the final antichrist.

There are three theories, It's Yahshua, or it's Anti-Christ, or it is Michael. We know as a matter of fact that there are other people who play a part in the last days, and they are not Anti-Christ. There are the Seven Stars, the Two Witnesses, a man elected a Morning Star, and Michael. Historically and symbolically throughout time a person paraded on a white horse after a battle symbolized a victory. For certain the person is not the Anti-Christ, for certain the person is not Yahshua. According to the Book of Enoch Michael comes first before the Two Witnesses. Yahshua was a Morning Star, who later became the "Bright Morning Star."

 

[David505]

The charge of John’s galloping horsemen may represent a symbolic revelation of persons, effects, and prophetic sequence within the context of the 70th week. The Coming Prince, who I think is synonymous with the False Prophet, enters astride a white horse, and the 70th week begins. The Prince advocates economic cooperation in the name of stable international relations. His subtle assurance, symbolized by his deceptive token, the rainbow of peace (Gen. 9: 12-17), fosters global stability. However, in the midst of the week, the Prince facilitates Antichrist who charges upon the scene on his red horse. Quickly, the world falls victim to the black horse and rider symbolizing the evaporation of monetary assets, scarcity, and famine. Then, with naught but little pennies jingling in their pockets, humankind confronts the grinding hooves of the pale horse and his rider.

 

[JudaicChristian]

The charge of John’s galloping horsemen may represent a symbolic revelation of persons, effects, and prophetic sequence within the context of the 70th week. The Coming Prince, who I think is synonymous with the False Prophet, enters astride a white horse, and the 70th week begins. The Prince advocates economic cooperation in the name of stable international relations. His subtle assurance, symbolized by his deceptive token, the rainbow of peace (Gen. 9: 12-17), fosters global stability. However, in the midst of the week, the Prince facilitates Antichrist who charges upon the scene on his red horse. Quickly, the world falls victim to the black horse and rider symbolizing the evaporation of monetary assets, scarcity, and famine. Then, with naught but little pennies jingling in their pockets, humankind confronts the grinding hooves of the pale horse and his rider.

There is no indication in scripture that the 70 weeks were not completed. The horses with the signs E, W, N, and South reveal that it's countries being spoken about.

 

[interpreter]

Islam is the 7th head of the beast that tramples Jerusalem for 1260 years.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Islam is the 7th head of the beast that tramples Jerusalem for 1260 years.

That does not add up.

 

[Vic C.]

There are three theories, It's Yahshua, or it's Anti-Christ, or it is Michael. We know as a matter of fact that there are other people who play a part in the last days, and they are not Anti-Christ. There are the Seven Stars, the Two Witnesses, a man elected a Morning Star, and Michael. Historically and symbolically throughout time a person paraded on a white horse after a battle symbolized a victory. For certain the person is not the Anti-Christ, for certain the person is not Yahshua. According to the Book of Enoch Michael comes first before the Two Witnesses. Yahshua was a Morning Star, who later became the "Bright Morning Star."

The one that makes much sense was never mentioned: God's NT Ekklesia. I'm of the belief that the white horse and rider is symbolic of Christiandom.

 

[JudaicChristian]

There are three theories, It's Yahshua, or it's Anti-Christ, or it is Michael. We know as a matter of fact that there are other people who play a part in the last days, and they are not Anti-Christ. There are the Seven Stars, the Two Witnesses, a man elected a Morning Star, and Michael. Historically and symbolically throughout time a person paraded on a white horse after a battle symbolized a victory. For certain the person is not the Anti-Christ, for certain the person is not Yahshua. According to the Book of Enoch Michael comes first before the Two Witnesses. Yahshua was a Morning Star, who later became the "Bright Morning Star."

The one that makes much sense was never mentioned: God's NT Ekklesia. I'm of the belief that the white horse and rider is symbolic of Christiandom.

Thats a logical assumption, for which I agree. But remember, Michael makes a stand for Gods people in the last days. And who are Gods people in the last days. Christians! But remember this, we are a grafted branch. The first converts were called Jews. But God gave us a new name.
Isaiah 62
Zion's New Name
1 For Zion's sake I will not keep silent,
for Jerusalem's sake I will not remain quiet,
till her righteousness shines out like the dawn,
her salvation like a blazing torch.
2 The nations will see your righteousness,
and all kings your glory;
you will be called by a new name
that the mouth of the LORD will bestow.

3 You will be a crown of splendor in the LORD's hand,
a royal diadem in the hand of your God.

James 1:12
Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.

1 Peter 5:4
And when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that will never fade away.

Revelation 2:10
Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.

Revelation 3:11
I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.

 

[Vic C.]

It's possible. I was also resistant to the idea of it being the ekklesia at first... for a couple of years. Then, it began to make sense.

Did you know that in the Pre Wrath position, it is taught that Michael is the Restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2, based in part on the "Michael" verses of the book of Daniel.

That too, makes sense to me, especially if you read up on the early Hebrews' relationship with Michael.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... ch=Michael

 

[JudaicChristian]

It's possible. I was also resistant to the idea of it being the ekklesia at first... for a couple of years. Then, it began to make sense.

Did you know that in the Pre Wrath position, it is taught that Michael is the Restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2, based in part on the "Michael" verses of the book of Daniel.

That too, makes sense to me, especially if you read up on the early Hebrews' relationship with Michael.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view. ... ch=Michael

Akiba was a Kabbalistic Gnostic. Your link about Michael has many faulty translations. I'am Anti-Kabbalistic, Anti-Gnostic, and Anti-Secret Society. Michael is never called "prince" only Christ is. The correct translation is: Michael your "leader/minister." This study is done from the N.I.V Exhaustive Concordance.

The two words of this study are, (PRINCE-S) and LEADER-S-ING).

Now the Hebrew word (NASIY). Ref # 5954 is used 39 times for the word (PRINCE-S).
And the Hebrew word (SAR). Ref # 8569 is used 51 times for the word (PRINCE-S).

As you can see NASIY and SAR are very different words. Also the word NASIY is used a total of 131 times: And the word SAR is used a total of 421 times; 78 times as officials, 110 times as commander-s and 32 times as officer-s. And 40 times as Leader-s-ing. The correct translation for Daniel 12:1 is “leader.â€
The other alternate Hebrew words for PRINCE are these.
5592. NAGIYD (PRINCE) 3 times. / 5618. NADIYB (PRINCE-S) 6 times. / 5687. NAZIYR (PRINCE-S) 3 times. / 5817. NASIYK (PRINCE-S). 3 times.
You should take notice that they all began with the letters " N A ".
In Daniel 11:22 the word PRINCE is #5592 NAGIYD. In our different bible, interpretations are often given in place of translations.
It's something to think about.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Did you know that in the Pre Wrath position, it is taught that Michael is the Restrainer of 2 Thessalonians 2, based in part on the "Michael" verses of the book of Daniel.

I'm not apposed to the idea that Michael does any kind of restraining. Those verses in Thessalonians though are kind of vague. The translation may not be 100%.