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Islamic Jihad and Christian Crusades

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Islamic Jihad and Christian Crusades

(1) The Christian Crusades ordered by Pope Urban II in 1095 were in response to Muslim aggression which had been going on for decades. The Christians who committed atrocities in the name of Christ were NOT doing what Jesus would have wanted them to do. They were going AGAINST Christ's teachings.

(2) However, the Muslim Crusades (I bet you did not even know that there were such events!) were in direct response to Muhammad's example and the words in the Quran. They were doing what Muhammad himself had done and what the Quran and the Hadith taught.

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Please READ the context of the Jihad verses in the Quran and the Hadith. There are many dozen Jihad verses in the Quran. BEFORE you comment again, please READ them!
a) http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/jihad/
b) http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/ji ... detail.htm

The last 15 or so instructions from the Quran are the following: (in paraphrase... go to the links to see the actual verses)

  • 1) Sura 9:1-6 (dissolve all treaties with those pagans who haven't kept them, giving them four months notice. But keep your treaties with other idol worshipers till the end of the time agreed upon. In the future, make no more treaties with pagans, but kill those who do not receive Islam)
    2) Sura 9:11,12,14,15 (Pagans who accept Islam become brother Muslims. Fight those who break their agreements. Allah will punish them by your hands)
    3) Sura 9:16 (Allah knows those who strive with all they have, and don't make friends with or seek protection from non-Muslims)
    4) Sura 9:19-22 (Jihad is greater than other service, and of the highest rank in the sight of Allah)
    5) Sura 9:25,26 (fighting in the battle of Hunain Jan. 31, 630)
    6) Sura 9:28 (forbid the pagans to enter the Ka’aba)
    7) Sura 9:29-31 (fight against Jews and Christians until they are subdued, because Allah's curse is on them)
    8) Sura 9:38,39,41 (don't avoid fighting, but fight with whatever you have. Otherwise Allah will punish you with serious punishment)
    9) Sura 9:52,73 (Muslims can expect either martyrdom/paradise or victory in battle. Unbelievers can expect only punishment from Allah. Fight hard against unbelievers, whose abode is hell)
    10) Sura 9:81-96 (those who are able but don't want to fight are rejected of Allah. Those unable are forgiven)
    11) Sura 9:111 (Allah gives Paradise to those who give all they have to Allah and slay and/or are slain in Jihad)
    12) Sura 9:122 (not everyone should go to fight, and those who stay are equal with those who go)
    13) Sura 9:123 (fight the unbelievers surrounding you)
    14) Sura 5:36-38 (death or torture to those who oppose the Apostle)
    15) Sura 5:54 (don't befriend Jews or Christians because they are unjust and unreliable)
Please don't comment unless you intend to carefully and fully read ALL these verses from the Qur’an and the traditions (Hadith) on the subject of Jihad.

Here are the links again:
a) http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/jihad/
b) http://www.geocities.com/gary_bee_za/ji ... detail.htm

To help you learn something about Islam and myth of the religion of peace, read this:
-Top ten reasons why Islam is not the religion of peace-

Also, so that you can start to understand who this man Muhammad was and how he killed and murdered his enemies, read these:

  • (1) Muhammad and the Rape of the Female Slaves -here-
    (2) Muhammad and the Murder of Abu Afak -here-
    (3) Muhammad and the Murder of Asma bint Marwan -here-
    (4) The Deception and Murder of Kab al-Ashraf -here-
    (5) Muhammad and the Death of Kinana -here-
    (6) Muhammad and the Death of the Uraynians -here-
    (7) Muhammad and the Killing of Apostates -here-
    (8) Muhammad and the Meccan Ten -here-
    (9) Muhammad and the Treaty of Hudaybiyya -here-
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The Christians who committed atrocities in the name of Christ were NOT doing what Jesus would have wanted them to do. They were going AGAINST Christ's teachings.

The Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) condemn, in particular, non-monotheistic religions. One example is The Book of Joshua, where God authorizes the genocide of Canaanites because they were Pagans. Since many Wiccans believe in the existence of a dual divinity (a Goddess and a God), Wicca would fall under this general condemnation of non-monotheistic religions, as would Hindus, followers of Native American spirituality, and hundreds of other religions.


Did Jesus authorize the genocide of Canaanites gary?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl1.htm
 
Please stay on topic. This thread is about Islamic Jihad and Christian Crusades.

Thanks.
 
Soma-Sight said:
The Christians who committed atrocities in the name of Christ were NOT doing what Jesus would have wanted them to do. They were going AGAINST Christ's teachings.

The Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) condemn, in particular, non-monotheistic religions. One example is The Book of Joshua, where God authorizes the genocide of Canaanites because they were Pagans. Since many Wiccans believe in the existence of a dual divinity (a Goddess and a God), Wicca would fall under this general condemnation of non-monotheistic religions, as would Hindus, followers of Native American spirituality, and hundreds of other religions.


Did Jesus authorize the genocide of Canaanites gary?

http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_bibl1.htm


No Jesus didn't... Why do you insist Jesus taught and "authorized" things in the Old Testament? Jesus' teachings are in the NEW TESTAMENT and if you read his teachings at all you would understand that he taught peace. He stressed that you should love your enemy as you love yourself.

Speaking of the crusades....

I saw a documentary on some of the different crusades a while ago. Sorry I don't remember all of the details, but the Catholic church (motivated by greed and not by God OR Jesus' teachings) invaded lands controlled by Islam... But you know why Islam controlled those lands? Because years before Islam Invaded those lands and took them from the Catholics.

If you ask me Islam and Catholicism are both messed up, but it is unfair to compare both of them so closely, because Islam is far worse.
 
i just loved watching the videos where shoroosh and jimmy swaggort used to always loose agains't ahmed deedat although Ahmed deedat had not enough knowledge of islam but knew enough.

Gary spread this falsehood your talking about to someone else. don't try to put doubt in the muslim minds dude! We just won't take it.


your ignorant of it dude!

your just an old fool * Always talking foolish * am telling you but you don't listen
 
Deedat sees his dingbat

Cleft Asunder said:
i just loved watching the videos where shoroosh and jimmy swaggort used to always loose agains't ahmed deedat although Ahmed deedat had not enough knowledge of islam but knew enough.
John Gilchrist has rebutted absolutely everything that Deedat ever wrote about Christianity.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... /index.htm

Read it... and compare Deedat's rants to the quality the work of the Christian apologists who pulled Deedat's "work" apart, piece by piece.

:)
 
Gary,

No need to look back in history to see the errors of Christian/Islamic ways.....

"Be here Now!" lol

38,000 Iraqi (mostly Islamic) CIVILIANS have been killed by the "Judeo-Christian" soldiers of Jesus Blessed America!

And most of your apologetic preachers condone it!

Maybe you are right!

Jesus doesnt condone these activities but YOUR CHURCH does!

What does this mean to us?
 
Is SomaSite REALLY a Christian?

SomaSite, I don't have to answer for the Americans. You and your Muslim friends may think that but America is NOT my church.


:)
 
SomaSite, I don't have to answer for the Americans. You and your Muslim friends may think that but America is NOT my church.
Im glad to hear you have compassion for civilians..... even if they are Islamists!
 
The religion of peace?

I wonder if you and your Muslim friends were protesting against Saddam when he was killing his own civilians... or is that different? More like Muhammad murdering those who opposed him?

:-?

India, Afghanistan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Russia, Syria, Chechnya, Algeria, Mauritania, Lebanon, Philippines, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Somalia, Dagestan... can you explain why Muslims are killing each other and killing civilians all around the world?

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http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

:sad :smt027 :sad
 
I wonder if you and your Muslim friends were protesting against Saddam when he was killing his own civilians... or is that different? More like Muhammad murdering those who opposed him?



India, Afghanistan, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Russia, Syria, Chechnya, Algeria, Mauritania, Lebanon, Philippines, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Bangladesh, Somalia, Dagestan... can you explain why Muslims are killing each other and killing civilians all around the world?

Saddam needs to be put down.

There is no denying that. Even though he was/is a puppet!

Number of US (Judeo-Christian country) murders in 2004

16,137


http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
 
Don't forget the approximately 1 million Christians killed by Muslims in Turkey at the end of WWI.
 
US a Christian country?

SomaSite said:
Number of US (Judeo-Christian country) murders in 2004 ...
You and several other non-believers have gone to great lengths to try prove that USA was NOT built on Christian principles. As for the USA following Christian principles today... or even the majority of Americans being Christian, I think the evidence points to NO.

The point you miss SomaSite is that when a Muslim murders those who oppose Islam or Muhammad, they are following what Muhammad said, commanded and did. If a so-called Christian murders in Christ's name, how can they be following our Lord jesus Christ or His example?

:)
 
The point you miss SomaSite is that when a Muslim murders those who oppose Islam or Muhammad, they are following what Muhammad said, commanded and did. If a so-called Christian murders in Christ's name, how can they be following our Lord jesus Christ or His example?

You have a point here.

But if you look to groups such as "God hates fags" and hard line rightist groups that are FOR was you will find that they use scripture in both the OT and NT to justify war in the name of God.

Personally JESUS (not OT Biblegod) to me is antiwar.... so I will agree with you on the NT aspect![/b]
 
Re: Deedat sees his dingbat

Gary said:
Cleft Asunder said:
i just loved watching the videos where shoroosh and jimmy swaggort used to always loose agains't ahmed deedat although Ahmed deedat had not enough knowledge of islam but knew enough.
John Gilchrist has rebutted absolutely everything that Deedat ever wrote about Christianity.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Response ... /index.htm

Read it... and compare Deedat's rants to the quality the work of the Christian apologists who pulled Deedat's "work" apart, piece by piece.

:)
Muslim Rave Party

http://www.fjolletobak.com/detail.php?t ... =15090&cf=

SHALOM CHECK THIS OUT IT'S HILARIOUS FUNNY, AND CHECK ALSO THIS SITE http://www.jamaat.net/jforum/viewtopic, it's a place where you talk about you faith islam vs. christianity.
 
Did Jesus authorize the genocide of Canaanites gary?

No Jesus didn't... Why do you insist Jesus taught and "authorized" things in the Old Testament? Jesus' teachings are in the NEW TESTAMENT and if you read his teachings at all you would understand that he taught peace. He stressed that you should love your enemy as you love yourself

Well, I thought Jesus was God? How is it then he didn't authorize the genocide of the Canaanites?

(or was he the one member of the Trinity that got outvoted? :wink:)
 
Well, I thought Jesus was God? How is it then he didn't authorize the genocide of the Canaanites?

(or was he the one member of the Trinity that got outvoted? )

Enter Gnosticism.....

Gary is correct on one thing.

Jesus of NT has a remarkably different attitude from the Biblegod of OT...

Killing babies, taking young girl from war to have sex with, destroying whole civilizations.... that is OT Biblegod

NT Jesus is very different...

Thats why the Gnostics viewed OT Biblegod as a Demiurge or "flawed God" and Jesus as the Son of a Higher God/Goddess....
 
Soma-Sight said:
Jesus of NT has a remarkably different attitude from the Biblegod of OT...

In my view, the Christian God is far worse than the God of the Old Testament.
 
Usual DN red herrings

Back to the topic (ignoring DivineNames usual red herrings).... Islamic Jihads vs Christian Crusades. Anything of value to add?

:)
 
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