Israel Erased from Maps

[jasonc]

I met a man who wasn't genetically a jew but was adopted by a jewish couple and raised in the temple and was bar mitzvahed. so he if he lived in isreal wouldn't be a jew then under this idea?

 

[Malachi]

what would make a jew move to his homeland in the trib if there is that 3.5 year period of peace and prosperity?

After that 3.5 year period we have "the time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer 30:3,7) where "he shall be saved out of it":
3For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.... Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Therefore:
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

 

[jasonc]

After that 3.5 year period we have "the time of Jacob's trouble" (Jer 30:3,7) where "he shall be saved out of it":
3For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.... Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.

Therefore:
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

before if they repent. you don't think that old jews would be around then and die?

and the dragon made war with the saints and prevailed.

uhm so where does it say that one million or what not jews outside of isreal don't count?

 

[Deborah13]

I was reading something awhile back and if I remember correctly Ramban said....
There were three things that one must do to be part of the nation of Israel.
circumcision, immersion (mikvah), and sacrifice

Thinking on that I wondered about circumcision of the heart, immersion in the Christ, and repentance, maybe.

 

[Malachi]

before if they repent. you don't think that old jews would be around then and die? and the dragon made war with the saints and prevailed. uhm so where does it say that one million or what not jews outside of isreal don't count?

Looks like you have misunderstood completely. As long as God is building His Church, He does not distinguish between Jew and Gentile. So if 1,000,000 Jews are saved today they become a part of the Church, where there is "neither circumcision, nor uncircumcision".

Once the Church is complete, and Israel is about to be destroyed completely, Christ will intervene directly, and deal with Jews as Jews because of His covenants and promises. This will be at His second coming.

 

[poetofparables]

That was an interesting read,I noticed some of you believe things like that point to end times prophecy. I disagree on completely subjective grounds, hmm I guess we are even then.

 

[jasonc]

Looks like you have misunderstood completely. As long as God is building His Church, He does not distinguish between Jew and Gentile. So if 1,000,000 Jews are saved today they become a part of the Church, where there is "neither circumcision, nor uncircumcision".

Once the Church is complete, and Israel is about to be destroyed completely, Christ will intervene directly, and deal with Jews as Jews because of His covenants and promises. This will be at His second coming.

uhm I said in the trib. I live in a county that is as wide as isreal at her widest point. do YOU think that that state in 3.5 years can handle 1 million homes? my county in 10 years doubled its population. my state has about the same population as isreal does!

so I repeat in the trib, the jews in the trib that believe outside isreal and die or live are they isreal or not?

and consider that jews do intermarry these days with gentiles.i am a product of such a marriage.

 

[Sinthesis]

That was an interesting read,I noticed some of you believe things like that point to end times prophecy. I disagree on completely subjective grounds, hmm I guess we are even then.

I don't believe this has anything to do with endtimes. I just pointed out the fact that this accommodation to Islamic antisemitism was perpetrated by the empire of Rupert Murdoch and Fox News.

 

[jasonc]

I don't believe this has anything to do with endtimes. I just pointed out the fact that this accommodation to Islamic antisemitism was perpetrated by the empire of Rupert Murdoch and Fox News.

I need to read that link, on the irony if that is true.

 

[Deborah13]

It appears that they did it on purpose for money.
"Collins Bartholomew, the subsidiary of HarperCollins that specializes in maps, told the Tablet that including Israel would have been “unacceptable” to its customers in the Gulf region and the change incorporated “local preferences.”

The Tablet said it had discovered the customs officers in one unnamed Muslim country only permitting the import of school atlases once Israel had been deleted by hand."

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/u-s-publishing-giant-erases-israel-off-map/#M4vdGVbsKGKLJlBW.99

 

[Malachi]

so I repeat in the trib, the jews in the trib that believe outside isreal and die or live are they isreal or not?... and consider that jews do intermarry these days with gentiles.i am a product of such a marriage.

Jason,
Israel under Christ will probably be 10-12 times the size it is at present . From the Nile to the Euphrates is a lot of territory (which would include Israel, a portion of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, a portion of Iraq, a portion of Saudi Arabia). The Jews living outside Israel will be brought to Israel by whatever means Christ chooses. They all will face Christ and repent. If they are "rebels" they will be damned. It would appear that all Israel will be saved, so none will rebel, but that is not for us to be concerned with.

As to intermarried Jews, that was already happening in the time of Ezra and Nehemiah as well as in the Roman Empire. And think of the "ten lost tribes". God knows exactly who belongs to those tribes. Nothing to be concerned about. God will send His angels to gather Jews from every corner of the world. We are dealing with supernatural events at the second coming of Yeshua.

And since you are a Christian within the Church (the Body of Christ), this will not affect you. Your home is in the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven.

 

[Malachi]

I don't believe this has anything to do with endtimes...

Perhaps you should take some time to study the matter in depth. All the developments in the Middle East are directly related to the second coming of Christ (see both Testaments).

 

[Malachi]

That was an interesting read,I noticed some of you believe things like that point to end times prophecy. I disagree on completely subjective grounds, hmm I guess we are even then.

You can always switch to objective grounds.
Search the Scriptures and relate all prophecy to actual world history.

 

[Sinthesis]

Perhaps you should take some time to study the matter in depth. All the developments in the Middle East are directly related to the second coming of Christ (see both Testaments).

I used to subscribe to the same endtimes beliefs as you, but then I took some time to study the matter in depth and was given a much more glorious perspective to the revelation of Jesus Christ our Lord and His gospel of Grace.

 

[jasonc]

Jason,
Israel under Christ will probably be 10-12 times the size it is at present . From the Nile to the Euphrates is a lot of territory (which would include Israel, a portion of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, a portion of Iraq, a portion of Saudi Arabia). The Jews living outside Israel will be brought to Israel by whatever means Christ chooses. They all will face Christ and repent. If they are "rebels" they will be damned. It would appear that all Israel will be saved, so none will rebel, but that is not for us to be concerned with.

As to intermarried Jews, that was already happening in the time of Ezra and Nehemiah as well as in the Roman Empire. And think of the "ten lost tribes". God knows exactly who belongs to those tribes. Nothing to be concerned about. God will send His angels to gather Jews from every corner of the world. We are dealing with supernatural events at the second coming of Yeshua.

And since you are a Christian within the Church (the Body of Christ), this will not affect you. Your home is in the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of Heaven.

uhm the trib, not the after, in the trib, how will isreal then swell to that size?

uhm so god suspend laws of physics?ie the stars that somehow cause fear but don't kill all men? gravity works in some parts and not in other areas? I live in florida if a star were to approach literally. then how on earth would florida not succumb to a tsunami?

 

[jasonc]

I used to subscribe to the same endtimes beliefs as you, but then I took some time to study the matter in depth and was given a much more glorious perspective to the revelation of Jesus Christ our Lord and His gospel of Grace.

yes, same here.

they forget that it would be just isreal if it was a fig tree as they teach but other nations.

 

[th1b.taylor]

I used to subscribe to the same endtimes beliefs as you, but then I took some time to study the matter in depth and was given a much more glorious perspective to the revelation of Jesus Christ our Lord and His gospel of Grace.

You've got a heap teaching to do that must be based, exclusively, on the scriptures because most people that teach, teach what Malachi and I and I teach. You need to do so in another string and not derail this one.

 

[reba]

Iron sharpens iron. How by scraping them together... not by separating them...

 

[Sinthesis]

Sure, I could associate the idea of a hypocritical corporation's willingness to blot out Israel in the name of profit with some endtimes scenario, except that I just don't see this particular example of latent antisemitism as anything exceptional other than the fact it was committed by the empire of Fox News. Prejudice against The Jewish people has not been news ever since the Roman Jewish wars. It was prophesied in Revelation.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Sure, I could associate the idea of a hypocritical corporation's willingness to blot out Israel in the name of profit with some endtimes scenario, except that I just don't see this particular example of latent antisemitism as anything exceptional other than the fact it was committed by the empire of Fox News. Prejudice against The Jewish people has not been news ever since the Roman Jewish wars. It was prophesied in Revelation.

You are not being Christian in your vain attempt to tie this to the hem line of FNC. Within a corporate structure there can be and often is varying degrees of descention. And when a number businesses are assimilated into one corporation there are often years that go by before the Owner or the CEO manage to get everything in line because of contracts and other agreements signed during the acquisition. And the broad brushed approach you're using to paint this scenario is absolutely not right because some of FNC's employees claim the name of the Christ.