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[_ Old Earth _] It's official:

That actually depends on the area you are talking about, cuz our temps have been pretty average, to on the low side, this year.
 
That actually depends on the area you are talking about,

The world. The average surface temp set another record last year.

Our temps have been pretty average, to on the low side, this year.
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Here's the surface temp map for the world, showing areas warmer than normal and those cooler than normal.
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Where do you live?
 
2015 is the hottest December to November year on record, eclipsing 2014 and 2010, which were tied for the record. Shortly, we'll have the Jan-December data, but it's so great that there is very little likelihood that won't also be a record.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt


Yeah, so what's your point? Your period of "record" is a mere 150 years or so in the earth's 4.5 billion years of history. Climate has always changed, and the earth has been in an interglacial period of warming for several thousand years.
 
Yeah, so what's your point?

We're seeing an unprecedented rise in temps, as you mentioned, over a very, very short time, and for the first time, anthropogenic CO2 actually overrode a natural cooling cycle. We're into a sunspot minimum as severe as the one that accompanied the "Little Ice Age" and yet we're getting record high temperatures instead of cooling.

Your period of "record" is a mere 150 years or so in the earth's 4.5 billion years of history.

Yep. This is what has scientists concerned. Climate has changed on a global scale before, but never this fast, and never as a result of human tinkering.

Climate has always changed, and the earth has been in an interglacial period of warming for several thousand years.

Technically, we're still in an Ice Age. It's cooler now than it has been for most of the Earth's history. The problem is, we and our societies have become adapted to the way it was before this sudden rise in temperatures.

So far, the effects have caused huge problems in a few places, with drought and deaths rising. It may be too late now to stop even greater problems. We just don't know. We've never been able to mess with global climate before.

The results of regional climate changes engineered by man don't give us much comfort.
 
Climate change is nothing new to humanity, and neither are the consequences. A huge part of our history is now under 200 or 300 feet of water, yet, here we are more healthy and prosperous than ever before, because we adapt.

I'm not the least bit concerned about climate change, but hysteria about it among the perennial leftists sure gives free reign to their instincts as an opportunity to make us all subservient to a totalitarian government.

Talk about scare tactics!
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Climate change is nothing new to humanity, and neither are the consequences. A huge part of our history is now under 200 or 300 feet of water, yet, here we are more healthy and prosperous than ever before, because we adapt.

A relatively mild change in Eurasia began the great nomad migrations that took down Rome, China, and several civilizations in Central Asia. War and disorder are natural consequences of climate change.

There are some scary models out there, but even the least drastic of them show trouble ahead.
 
A relatively mild change in Eurasia began the great nomad migrations that took down Rome, China, and several civilizations in Central Asia. War and disorder are natural consequences of climate change.

There are some scary models out there, but even the least drastic of them show trouble ahead.


Trouble is the natural order of things. And, despite what many want us to believe, mankind is not an enemy of nature, mankind is very much a part of nature.
 
Trouble is the natural order of things. And, despite what many want us to believe, mankind is not an enemy of nature, mankind is very much a part of nature.

This is very true. The problem is that our effect on nature has changed. For the vast majority of our time on Earth, humans were relatively rare, and as hunter-gatherers, we didn't impact climate any more then many other species.

However, even then we had some profound effects. A lot of people see evolution as what the environment imposes on organisms, which is true enough, but they don't understand that organisms also change environments. The "wolves change rivers" story is too simplified to be true; the increase in bears preying on elk also led to a reduction in the herds, and the beginning of recovery for many tree species, and climate change had a role. But we see all sorts of organism-caused climate changes.

The big deal is that we now do it on an industrial scale that dwarfs anything humans have ever done before. So where the Mesopotamians managed to mess up Iraq with careless irrigation that led to saline buildup and desertification, or where the Romans turned Israel into a desert with clear-cutting forests, we can now affect climate on a global scale.

And it's an experiment we've never done before. Some things are predictable, and some yet aren't. But it's generally not good, even if there are some areas that will actually get better for us; most will get worse.

It's not what we'd like to hear, but it's true.
 
It was 60 on Christmas here in Massachusetts where the average is around 30 to 40....
 
It was 60 on Christmas here in Massachusetts where the average is around 30 to 40....

Well, that might be a sign, but we wouldn't know by itself. The fact is weather is not climate. It's no more convincing than someone saying "it was mighty cold last month, so global warming is wrong."

Now, several decades of local data, or the average global temperature for a few years, that's significant.
 
Yes. I think we're in for some interesting times in decades to come. I hope the worst case predictions are wrong, and I suspect that they are. But it will be bad enough in many places to cause considerable suffering.
 
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