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Thessalonian said:
HA HA, yes, it is VERY funny! :-D :-D :-D
Let us see what Jerome said:
Jerome said:
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HA HA, yes, it is VERY funny! :-D :-D :-D
Let us see what Jerome said:
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Gary
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Jerome was Sola Scriptura
Jerome was Sola Scriptura
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Jerome was Sola Scriptura
Jerome said:
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Gary
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Jerome was Sola Scriptura
Jerome was Sola Scriptura
"When Paula comes to be a little older and to increase like her Spouse in wisdom and stature and in favour with God and man, let her go with her parents to the temple of her true Father but let her not come out of the temple with them. Let them seek her upon the world's highway amid the crowds and the throng of their kinsfolk, and let them find her nowhere but in the shrine of the scriptures" - Jerome (Letter 107:7)
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Calvin and Luther could not have said it better!!
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Jerome was Sola Scriptura
"When Paula comes to be a little older and to increase like her Spouse in wisdom and stature and in favour with God and man, let her go with her parents to the temple of her true Father but let her not come out of the temple with them. Let them seek her upon the world's highway amid the crowds and the throng of their kinsfolk, and let them find her nowhere but in the shrine of the scriptures" - Jerome (Letter 107:7)
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Calvin and Luther could not have said it better!!
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CatholicXian
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Gary, you forgot my favorite quote from St. Jerome!
(excerpt from the prologue to his commentary on Isaiah)
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Gary
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Great!! He must have been referring to the popes.
Jerome knew Scripture. Hence he knew that Mary was not sinless.
Jerome
Jerome apparently didn't believe in the sinlessness of Mary. What is quoted is from a treatise he wrote against Pelagianism. It is not suggesting that Roman Catholicism agrees with all of the arguments used by Pelagians. Rather that some of what Jerome said against the Pelagians is relevant to the RCC's claim that Mary was sinless from conception onward. For example, Jerome repeatedly refers to the universality of sin among men (Jesus being exempted, since He's God, not just man), and he repeatedly asks the Pelagians for an example of a person who has lived without sin. Apparently, Jerome didn't think they'd be able to cite Mary as an example.
One portion of the quote below mentions Mary. It's important to understand the context. Jerome is arguing that a person can be relatively righteous, in comparison with other people, yet still be a sinner. He gives numerous examples to that effect. After mentioning Mary, he mentions John the Baptist. I've included the sentence in which John the Baptist is mentioned, so that it will be clear that Jerome is including Mary among other people. The implication is that though Mary is more righteous than some people, such as Elizabeth and Zacharias, she's only relatively righteous. She, too, is a sinner.
"Medical skill, craftsmanship, and so on, are found in many persons; but to be always without sin is a characteristic of the Divine power only. Therefore, either give me an instance of those who were for ever without sin; or, if you cannot find one, confess your impotence, lay aside bombast, and do not mock the ears of fools with this being and possibility of being of yours. For who will grant that a man can do what no man was ever able to do?.....For if a man can be without sin, and it is clear the Apostles were not without sin, a man can be higher than the Apostles: to say nothing of patriarchs and prophets whose righteousness under the law was not perfect, as the Apostle says, 'For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God: being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God set forth to be a propitiator.'...For it is just my own view that no creature can be perfect in respect of true and finished righteousness. But that one differs from another, and that one man's righteousness is not the same as another's, no one doubts; nor again that one may be greater or less than another, and yet that, relatively to their own status and capacity, men may be called righteous who are not righteous when compared with others....Elizabeth and Zacharias, whom you adduce and with whom you cover yourself as with an impenetrable shield, may teach us how far they are beneath the holiness of blessed Mary, the Lord's Mother, who, conscious that God was dwelling in her, proclaims without reserve, 'Behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For He that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is His name. And His mercy is unto generations and generations of them that fear Him: He hath showed strength with His arm.' Where, observe, she says she is blessed not by her own merit and virtue, but by the mercy of God dwelling in her. And John himself, a greater than whom has not arisen among the sons of men, is better than his parents....And again, he in comparison with whom you are inferior will be a sinner in respect of some other virtue, relatively to you or to another person; and thus it happens that whoever is thought to be first, is inferior to him who is his superior in some other particular....We are not told that a man can be without sin, which is your view, but that God, if He chooses, can keep a man free from sin, and of His mercy guard him so that he may be without blemish. And I say that all things are possible with God; but that everything which a man desires is not possible to him, and especially, an attribute which belongs to no created thing you ever read of....And although he professes to imitate, or rather complete the work of the blessed martyr Cyprian in the treatise which the latter wrote to Quirinus, he does not perceive that he has said just the opposite in the work under discussion. Cyprian, in the fifty-fourth heading of the third book, lays it down that no one is free from stain and without sin, and he immediately gives proofs" (Against the Pelagians, 1:9, 1:14, 1:16, 1:23-24, 1:32)
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So Jerome votes: NO, Mary was NOT sinless!
8-) 8-)
Jerome knew Scripture. Hence he knew that Mary was not sinless.
Jerome
Jerome apparently didn't believe in the sinlessness of Mary. What is quoted is from a treatise he wrote against Pelagianism. It is not suggesting that Roman Catholicism agrees with all of the arguments used by Pelagians. Rather that some of what Jerome said against the Pelagians is relevant to the RCC's claim that Mary was sinless from conception onward. For example, Jerome repeatedly refers to the universality of sin among men (Jesus being exempted, since He's God, not just man), and he repeatedly asks the Pelagians for an example of a person who has lived without sin. Apparently, Jerome didn't think they'd be able to cite Mary as an example.
One portion of the quote below mentions Mary. It's important to understand the context. Jerome is arguing that a person can be relatively righteous, in comparison with other people, yet still be a sinner. He gives numerous examples to that effect. After mentioning Mary, he mentions John the Baptist. I've included the sentence in which John the Baptist is mentioned, so that it will be clear that Jerome is including Mary among other people. The implication is that though Mary is more righteous than some people, such as Elizabeth and Zacharias, she's only relatively righteous. She, too, is a sinner.
"Medical skill, craftsmanship, and so on, are found in many persons; but to be always without sin is a characteristic of the Divine power only. Therefore, either give me an instance of those who were for ever without sin; or, if you cannot find one, confess your impotence, lay aside bombast, and do not mock the ears of fools with this being and possibility of being of yours. For who will grant that a man can do what no man was ever able to do?.....For if a man can be without sin, and it is clear the Apostles were not without sin, a man can be higher than the Apostles: to say nothing of patriarchs and prophets whose righteousness under the law was not perfect, as the Apostle says, 'For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God: being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God set forth to be a propitiator.'...For it is just my own view that no creature can be perfect in respect of true and finished righteousness. But that one differs from another, and that one man's righteousness is not the same as another's, no one doubts; nor again that one may be greater or less than another, and yet that, relatively to their own status and capacity, men may be called righteous who are not righteous when compared with others....Elizabeth and Zacharias, whom you adduce and with whom you cover yourself as with an impenetrable shield, may teach us how far they are beneath the holiness of blessed Mary, the Lord's Mother, who, conscious that God was dwelling in her, proclaims without reserve, 'Behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For He that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is His name. And His mercy is unto generations and generations of them that fear Him: He hath showed strength with His arm.' Where, observe, she says she is blessed not by her own merit and virtue, but by the mercy of God dwelling in her. And John himself, a greater than whom has not arisen among the sons of men, is better than his parents....And again, he in comparison with whom you are inferior will be a sinner in respect of some other virtue, relatively to you or to another person; and thus it happens that whoever is thought to be first, is inferior to him who is his superior in some other particular....We are not told that a man can be without sin, which is your view, but that God, if He chooses, can keep a man free from sin, and of His mercy guard him so that he may be without blemish. And I say that all things are possible with God; but that everything which a man desires is not possible to him, and especially, an attribute which belongs to no created thing you ever read of....And although he professes to imitate, or rather complete the work of the blessed martyr Cyprian in the treatise which the latter wrote to Quirinus, he does not perceive that he has said just the opposite in the work under discussion. Cyprian, in the fifty-fourth heading of the third book, lays it down that no one is free from stain and without sin, and he immediately gives proofs" (Against the Pelagians, 1:9, 1:14, 1:16, 1:23-24, 1:32)
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So Jerome votes: NO, Mary was NOT sinless!
8-) 8-)
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thessalonian
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All you prove Gary is your ignorance of Catholicism. Jerome is in favor of correct interpretation of scripture. Not Baskin Robbins Protestantism. Tell us Gary, what did Jerome think about the perpetual virginity of Mary? Did he support his view with scripture? Of course. Do you think he, knowing HEBREW intimately had a good understanding of how the language was used and what it meant. I would certainly put it over mine.
How was Jerome on the issue of Apostolic succession.
"Far be it from me to speak adversely of any of these clergy who, in succession from the apostles, confect by their sacred word the Body of Christ and through whose efforts also it is that we are Christians" (Epistle to Heliodorus 14:8 [inter A.D. 374-379]).
Darn, no Protestant here.
He must have hated the Pope as Protestants do today.
Jerome
"But," you [Jovinian] will say, "it was on Peter that the Church was founded" [Matt. 16:18]. Well . . . one among the twelve is chosen to be their head in order to remove any occasion for division (Against Jovinian 1:26 [A.D. 393]).
Jerome
"[Pope] Stephen . . . was the blessed Peter’s twenty-second successor in the See of Rome" (Against the Luciferians 23 [A.D. 383]).
"Clement, of whom the apostle Paul writing to the Philippians says ‘With Clement and others of my fellow-workers whose names are written in the book of life,’ the fourth bishop of Rome after Peter, if indeed the second was Linus and the third Anacletus, although most of the Latins think that Clement was second after the apostle" (Lives of Illustrious Men 15 [A.D. 396]).
"Since the East, shattered as it is by the long-standing feuds, subsisting between its peoples, is bit by bit tearing into shreds the seamless vest of the Lord . . . I think it my duty to consult the chair of Peter, and to turn to a church [Rome] whose faith has been praised by Paul [Rom. 1:8]. I appeal for spiritual food to the church whence I have received the garb of Christ. . . . Evil children have squandered their patrimony; you alone keep your heritage intact" (Letters 15:1 [A.D. 396]).
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Jerome
I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails (Letters 15:2 [A.D. 396]).
Nope. Dead end for ya Gary.
He must have been dead against confession?
Jerome
"If the serpent, the devil, bites someone secretly, he infects that person with the venom of sin. And if the one who has been bitten keeps silence and does not do penance, and does not want to confess his wound . . . then his brother and his master, who have the word [of absolution] that will cure him, cannot very well assist him" (Commentary on Ecclesiastes 10:11 [A.D. 388]). :-D
He was rigtht on what the Council of Trent says about relics:
"We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are" (Ad Riparium, i, P.L., XXII, 907). `
Seems someone capable of translating the hebrew language didn't come to your understanding of these things Gary. Odd isn't it. That's enough for now. Jerome doesn't agree with you on much Gary. No matter how much you try to make him in to a protestant with a proof text or two. Sorry.
Blessings
How was Jerome on the issue of Apostolic succession.
"Far be it from me to speak adversely of any of these clergy who, in succession from the apostles, confect by their sacred word the Body of Christ and through whose efforts also it is that we are Christians" (Epistle to Heliodorus 14:8 [inter A.D. 374-379]).
Darn, no Protestant here.
He must have hated the Pope as Protestants do today.
Jerome
"But," you [Jovinian] will say, "it was on Peter that the Church was founded" [Matt. 16:18]. Well . . . one among the twelve is chosen to be their head in order to remove any occasion for division (Against Jovinian 1:26 [A.D. 393]).
Jerome
"[Pope] Stephen . . . was the blessed Peter’s twenty-second successor in the See of Rome" (Against the Luciferians 23 [A.D. 383]).
"Clement, of whom the apostle Paul writing to the Philippians says ‘With Clement and others of my fellow-workers whose names are written in the book of life,’ the fourth bishop of Rome after Peter, if indeed the second was Linus and the third Anacletus, although most of the Latins think that Clement was second after the apostle" (Lives of Illustrious Men 15 [A.D. 396]).
"Since the East, shattered as it is by the long-standing feuds, subsisting between its peoples, is bit by bit tearing into shreds the seamless vest of the Lord . . . I think it my duty to consult the chair of Peter, and to turn to a church [Rome] whose faith has been praised by Paul [Rom. 1:8]. I appeal for spiritual food to the church whence I have received the garb of Christ. . . . Evil children have squandered their patrimony; you alone keep your heritage intact" (Letters 15:1 [A.D. 396]).
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Jerome
I follow no leader but Christ and join in communion with none but your blessedness [Pope Damasus I], that is, with the chair of Peter. I know that this is the rock on which the Church has been built. Whoever eats the Lamb outside this house is profane. Anyone who is not in the ark of Noah will perish when the flood prevails (Letters 15:2 [A.D. 396]).
Nope. Dead end for ya Gary.
He must have been dead against confession?
Jerome
"If the serpent, the devil, bites someone secretly, he infects that person with the venom of sin. And if the one who has been bitten keeps silence and does not do penance, and does not want to confess his wound . . . then his brother and his master, who have the word [of absolution] that will cure him, cannot very well assist him" (Commentary on Ecclesiastes 10:11 [A.D. 388]). :-D
He was rigtht on what the Council of Trent says about relics:
"We do not worship, we do not adore, for fear that we should bow down to the creature rather than to the creator, but we venerate the relics of the martyrs in order the better to adore him whose martyrs they are" (Ad Riparium, i, P.L., XXII, 907). `
Seems someone capable of translating the hebrew language didn't come to your understanding of these things Gary. Odd isn't it. That's enough for now. Jerome doesn't agree with you on much Gary. No matter how much you try to make him in to a protestant with a proof text or two. Sorry.
Blessings
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Gary
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LOL... another clanger from Thessalonian. Remember now, no nasty PM' s when you are proven wrong again!Thessalonian said:
Jerome believed that there were successors to the apostles, but he denied that any of those post-apostolic men, including the bishop of Rome, were as authoritative as the apostles:
Jerome said:
:o :o
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thessalonian
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Gary,
Guess who these quotes are from.
"Therefore we are gratified to find in this new translation of the Scriptures a new opportunity for men to give themselves to frequent reading of, and meditation on, the living Word of God. In its pages we recognize His voice, we hear a message of deep significance for every one of us....On all who have contributed to this translation, and all who seek in its pages the sacred teaching and the promise of salvation of Jesus Christ our Lord, we gladly bestow our paternal Apostolic Blessing."
"to encourage their people to read the Holy Scriptures; for nothing can be more useful, more consoling, and more animating, inasmuch as they serve to confirm the faith, support the hope, and influence the charity of the true Christian."
"The solicitude of the Apostolic office naturally urges, and even compels us, not only to desire that this great source of Catholic revelation should be made safely and abundantly accessible to the flock of Jesus Christ, but also not to suffer any attempt to defile or corrupt it. . . . (By reading the Scriptures) the inelligence will be illuminated and strengthened . and at the same time the heart will grow warm, and will strive with ardent longing to advance in virtue and divine love."
"Nothing would please us more than to see our beloved children form the habit of reading the Gospels - not merely from time to time, but every day."
No one can fail to see what profit and sweet tranquillity must result in well disposed souls from a devout reading of the Bible. Whoever comes to it in piety, faith and humility, and with a determination to make progress in it, will assuredly find therein and will eat the Bread that cometh down from heaven; he will, in his own person experience the truth of David's words: The hidden and uncertain things of Thy Wisdom Thou hast made manifest to me."
"27. Catechesis will always draw its content from the living source of the Word of God transmitted in Tradition and the Scriptures, for "sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God, which is entrusted to the Church," as was recalled by the Second Vatican Council, which desired that 'the ministry of the word-pastoral preaching, catechetics and all forms of Christian instruction . . .-(should be) healthily nourished and (should) thrive in holiness through the word of Scripture.' (57)
"To speak of Tradition and Scripture as the source of catechesis is to draw attention to the fact that catechesis must be impregnated and penetrated by the thought, the spirit and the outlook of the Bible and the Gospels through assiduous contact with the texts themselves …
"The Church's teaching, liturgy and life spring from this source and lead back to it ... "
Hint: You can't be much more Catholic than this group.
Blessings
Guess who these quotes are from.
"Therefore we are gratified to find in this new translation of the Scriptures a new opportunity for men to give themselves to frequent reading of, and meditation on, the living Word of God. In its pages we recognize His voice, we hear a message of deep significance for every one of us....On all who have contributed to this translation, and all who seek in its pages the sacred teaching and the promise of salvation of Jesus Christ our Lord, we gladly bestow our paternal Apostolic Blessing."
"to encourage their people to read the Holy Scriptures; for nothing can be more useful, more consoling, and more animating, inasmuch as they serve to confirm the faith, support the hope, and influence the charity of the true Christian."
"The solicitude of the Apostolic office naturally urges, and even compels us, not only to desire that this great source of Catholic revelation should be made safely and abundantly accessible to the flock of Jesus Christ, but also not to suffer any attempt to defile or corrupt it. . . . (By reading the Scriptures) the inelligence will be illuminated and strengthened . and at the same time the heart will grow warm, and will strive with ardent longing to advance in virtue and divine love."
"Nothing would please us more than to see our beloved children form the habit of reading the Gospels - not merely from time to time, but every day."
No one can fail to see what profit and sweet tranquillity must result in well disposed souls from a devout reading of the Bible. Whoever comes to it in piety, faith and humility, and with a determination to make progress in it, will assuredly find therein and will eat the Bread that cometh down from heaven; he will, in his own person experience the truth of David's words: The hidden and uncertain things of Thy Wisdom Thou hast made manifest to me."
"27. Catechesis will always draw its content from the living source of the Word of God transmitted in Tradition and the Scriptures, for "sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture make up a single sacred deposit of the Word of God, which is entrusted to the Church," as was recalled by the Second Vatican Council, which desired that 'the ministry of the word-pastoral preaching, catechetics and all forms of Christian instruction . . .-(should be) healthily nourished and (should) thrive in holiness through the word of Scripture.' (57)
"To speak of Tradition and Scripture as the source of catechesis is to draw attention to the fact that catechesis must be impregnated and penetrated by the thought, the spirit and the outlook of the Bible and the Gospels through assiduous contact with the texts themselves …
"The Church's teaching, liturgy and life spring from this source and lead back to it ... "
Hint: You can't be much more Catholic than this group.
Blessings
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Gary
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The not-so-infallible popes.... JEROME
Jerome wrote:
"when Liberius bishop of Rome was driven into exile for the faith, he was induced by the urgency of Fortunatianus to subscribe to heresy" (Lives of Illustrious Men, 97)
:bday: :evil: :bday:
Jerome wrote:
"when Liberius bishop of Rome was driven into exile for the faith, he was induced by the urgency of Fortunatianus to subscribe to heresy" (Lives of Illustrious Men, 97)
:bday: :evil: :bday:
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thessalonian
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Gary said:
There is good reason to believe that Jerome was mistaken in his understanding of what happened. Others said Athanasius didn't not sign the document. No document is ever been proven to have existed. Further Constantinius never boasted of his victory in getting Liberius to committ the heresy to doctrine. He never proclaimed it or used it to any advantage. It seems higly unlikely that such a document existed. Can you produce it Gary? Can you show me where Jerome got his information? No you will just move on because all you can do is post what others have written.
All that aside, even if it were true, it would not have been a willful act intended for the whole church. One cannot be held to a signing under durress. A marriage under such conditions in not valid in the Church. Neither is a signing of any pact by a Bishop or priest. It is gravely scandalous but no violation of the doctrine of infallibility, which gary only displays his ignorance of, can be said to have occured. Gary just cuts and pastes anti-catholic propoganda and prejudice without doing any real research for himself.
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Gary
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This thread is about Jerome and Sola Scriptura. Interesting that you have been unable to disprove the 3 statements I first posted.
So what do you do? You red herring the thread to "Jerome on the issue of Apostolic succession."
Again I show that Jerome believed that there were successors to the apostles, but he denied that any of those post-apostolic men, including the bishop of Rome, were as authoritative as the apostles.
Then I show you that Jerome believed Liberius "was induced by the urgency of Fortunatianus to subscribe to heresy."
Back to the topic.... Jerome and Sola Scriptura
:wink: :wink:
So what do you do? You red herring the thread to "Jerome on the issue of Apostolic succession."
Again I show that Jerome believed that there were successors to the apostles, but he denied that any of those post-apostolic men, including the bishop of Rome, were as authoritative as the apostles.
Then I show you that Jerome believed Liberius "was induced by the urgency of Fortunatianus to subscribe to heresy."
Back to the topic.... Jerome and Sola Scriptura
:wink: :wink:
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thessalonian
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Showing that Jerome held scripture in high regard does not prove he held a Catholic or Protestant view. You try to imply that the Catholic Church does not hold scripture in high regard. Many POPES have quoted Jerome's words "Ignornace of scripture is ignorance of Christ". His views are not at all in conflict with Catholic thinking. Your quotes are neutral. Tradition is not something separate from scripture as you try to make it out to be, it is in intimate union with it. It makes explicit what is implicit in scripture that all the denominations divide over. So you may think he was Sola Scriptura if you like. You have no more proved your point with your quotes than I calim that any quotes I post prove the point that he was not. But the evidence shows that he was far more Catholic than protestant and that is my approach. I doudt you will put your thinking cap on and understand what I am saying so I'll let you have your glory party.
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Gary
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Your lack of understanding of Sola Scriptura shines through again.
However, Jerome is closer to Luther than you think.
However, Jerome is closer to Luther than you think.
Martin Luther said:
NOTE: Not Scripture AND tradition.... Jerome says "...nowhere but in the shrine of the scriptures"Jerome said:
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CatholicXian
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Do you have the whole letter, Gary? It seems from the snippet you posted that there may be more context.
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thessalonian
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CatholicXian said:
Here it is.
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3001107.htm
Yes the context is quite important.
Funny thing. The letter is about a girl who they have consecrated as a virgin. That's kinda protestant. Not! Jerome tells her family that when she is old enough to take her to the temple and leave her there, to be immersed in the scriptures. Kinda like young girls who are to be nuns today are immeresed in scriptures. This does not mean that they are just left on their own to get from it what they can as Gary is trying to paint it. Jerome would not tell them to leave her without teachers who teach the faith that has been passed on.
Blessings
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CatholicXian
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Thank you, Thessalonian.Thessalonian said:
You saved me some serious searching through all my ECF documents.
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Gary
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Jerome said:
Sounding more and more like Martin Luther!!
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thessalonian
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Gary said:Jerome said:
Sounding more and more like Martin Luther!!
Hey, maybe he called James and Epistle of straw. Doudt it. Ah, martin luther what a great christian, using foul language and calling names. Drawing pictures of Popes pooping out Bishops. What a guy. Don't think you will find such childishness in Jerome's writings.
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thessalonian
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A1 Catholic-x Good work.
This is choice:
For many other observances of the Churches, which are due to tradition, have acquired the authority of the written law... So you see we follow the practice of the Church... :-D
Protestant? :o
This is choice:
For many other observances of the Churches, which are due to tradition, have acquired the authority of the written law... So you see we follow the practice of the Church... :-D
Protestant? :o