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Jesus as a reincarnation of Melchizedek

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Another incarnation of Jesus is the Old Testament figure known as Melchizedek, the High Priest and King of Salem. It is clear from the Book of Hebrews that Melchizedek was not an ordinary man, assuming he even was a man. A careful examination of the evidence concerning the existence of Melchizedek reveals him to be a previous reincarnation of Jesus. There are strong parallels between Melchizedek and Jesus: both are the Son of God, priest of the Order of Melchizedek, King of Righteous, King of Peace, the Messiah, appointed by God, eternal priesthood, and preexistent. Besides the Biblical evidence, there exists evidence from the discoveries of early Christian texts in 1945 and the Dead Sea Scrolls in 1947. There is also extra-Biblical revelations that support this Melchizedek-Jesus connection.

Identical Characteristics of Melchizedek and Jesus

Both are:
(1) Sons of God
(2) High Priests of God
(3) Kings of Righteousness
(4) Appointed by God
(5) Kings of Peace
(6) Eternal ones
(7) Priests
(8) Pre-existent ones
(9) Association with Abraham
(10) Rituals of bread and wine
(11) Anointed ones

Identical Sonship: "Son of God"

(A) In the Bible, the only individuals who have the title of the "Son of God" are Jesus, Adam and Melchizedek.

Adam: "the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God." (Luke 3:38)

Melchizedek: "Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever." (Heb. 7:3)


Jesus: "The beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the Son of God." (Mark 1:1)

(B) The Bible also states that Melchizedek was made in the image or likeness of the Son of God. This could be taken as the image of the son of God (the second in the trinity) or as the image of the begotten son of God, when the Lord took on a fleshly body. But they are one and the same.

Jesus: "the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." (2 Cor. 4:4)

Jesus: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." (Heb. 5:6)

Definition of "order": Greek "aphomoioo" (a) A facsimile (b) An exact copy or exact reproduction (c) A duplicate



Jesus: "And what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchizedek appears." (Heb. 7:15)


Definition of "another priest like": Greek "kata ten homoioteta" (a) in every respect (b) after the similitude of (c) according to the likeness of (d) a thing so like another as to be indistinguishable from it.



Identical Order of Priesthood: Priest of the God Most High of the Order of Melchizedek

(A) Melchizedek and Jesus have identical priesthoods.

Melchizedek: "He was priest of God Most High." (Gen 14:18)

Messiah: "You are a priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek." (Psalm 110:4)

Jesus: "You are a priest forever, in the order [facsimile] of Melchizedek." (Heb. 5:6)

Definition of "facsimile": (a) an exact copy or exact reproduction (b) duplicate


(B) Notice also that Paul has a mystery concerning Jesus and Melchizedek but is reluctant to tell the uninitiated:

"[Jesus] was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek. We have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn. In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil." (Heb. 5:10-14)


(C) Paul indicates the Priest(s) of order of Melchizedek were to last forever and that the system of priests through the tribe of Levi would eventually come to an end. These men were chosen by God for the office. They would give sacrifice to God which symbolically atoned, or paid for the people's sins. We see this principle at work very early in the story of Job:

"After the Lord had said these things to Job, he said to Eliphaz the Temanite:

"I am angry with you and your two friends, because you have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has. So now take seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and sacrifice a burnt offering for yourselves. My servant Job will pray for you, and I will accept his prayer and not deal with you according to your folly. You have not spoken of me what is right, as my servant Job has."


So Eliphaz the Temanite, Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite did what the Lord told them; and the Lord accepted Job's prayer." (Job 42:7-9)


Identical Symbol of Rule: "King of Righteousness"

(A) Melchizedek as the King of Righteousness:

"To whom Abraham gave a tenth part of all, first being by interpretation “King of Righteousness“ and after that also King of Salem, which is “King of Peace.†(Heb. 7:2)


(B) Jesus as the King of Righteousness:

"The days are coming," declares the Lord, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land." (Jer. 23:5)


(C) Melchizedek, as the King of Righteousness, fulfilled this scepter promise:

"The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his." (Gen. 49:10)


(D) Jesus, as the King of Righteousness, fulfilled this scepter promise:

"But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom." (Heb. 1:8)


Identical Right to Rule: Appointed by God

(A) Jesus and Melchizedek's priesthoods are similar because they did not depend upon genealogy as the Aaronic priesthood did. The human lineage of Jesus was from Judah - a tribe that Moses did not associate with the priesthood.

"For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah, and in regard to that tribe Moses said nothing about priests." (Heb. 7:14)


(B) Jesus Christ is a priest after the order of Melchizedek, not because he came from the right line, but because he comes as one who has indestructible life - the only one who can be an eternal priest! The priesthood of both is a royal priesthood. The priesthood of both is based on personality, not legality. Both are universal priesthoods for Gentile and Jew because the priesthood of Melchizedek was before the Law was given. Melchizedek illustrates an eternal priesthood of which the Jesus is the reality.

Identical Title: "King of Peace"

(A) Melchizedek and Jesus are the Kings of Peace.

Melchizedek: "First, his name means "King of Righteousness"; then also, "King of Salem" means "King of Peace." (Heb. 7:2)


Jesus: "And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6)


(B) Melchizedek is the "King of Peace" and Jesus is the "Prince of Peace". Who could be King of Peace over Jesus?

Identical Term of Priesthood: Eternal

(A) Melchizedek and Jesus are eternal priests.

Melchizedek: "like the Son of God he remains a priest forever." (Heb. 7:3)

Jesus: "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek." (Heb. 5:6)

(B) Melchizedek and Jesus are priests forever with an unchangeable priesthood. This indicates they are the same priest - just different times.

Identical in Likeness: Priest

(A) Melchizedek and Jesus are priests of God.

Melchizedek: "He was priest of God Most High." (Gen 14:18)

Jesus: "And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest who has come." (Heb 7:15-16)


The word "likeness" is translated homoios: (a) "after the similitude of"

Note: Heb. 7:15-16 does not mean Jesus is "similar to Melchizedek." In context, it means "Jesus is Melchizedek."


Proof: Another Biblical example of "homoios" meaning "likeness."

"Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness." (Phil. 2:6-7)



Point 1: Jesus was human: The Word became flesh (John 1:14)

Point 2: And Jesus had a human nature: "The gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David." (Rom. 1:2-4)


Conclusion: Jesus was more than just the likeness of Melchizedek.

Jesus was Melchizedek.



(B) Why would Jesus be compared to Melchizedek if his status was not equal to or greater than Jesus? He certainly would not be compared to anyone lesser than himself. This suggests that both Melchizedek and Jesus were of the same nature and of similar purpose and, therefore, the same person.

Identical Age: Pre-existent

(A) Both Melchizedek and Jesus are pre-existent (i.e. they existed before birth).

Melchizedek: "Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever." (Heb. 7:3)


Jesus: "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times." (Micah 5:2)


Jesus: "The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; I was appointed from eternity, from the beginning, before the world began. When there were no oceans, I was given birth, when there were no springs abounding with water ... Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence, rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind." (Prov. 8:22-31)


Identical Association with: Abraham

(A) Both Melchizedek and Jesus were both associated with Abraham:

Melchizedek: "Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, and he blessed Abraham, saying, "Blessed be Abraham by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth." (Gen. 14:18-19)


Jesus: "Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.

"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham?"
"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" (John 8:56-59)


(B) Melchizedek and Jesus are one spirit who incarnated many times and who transcended death. They could enter and leave the world at will without having to go through birth and death.

"Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood." (Heb. 7:23)


Identical Use of Ritualistic Symbols: Bread and Wine

(A) Melchizedek's offering of bread and wine to Abraham is the first incidence where bread and wine appear in the Scripture. Melchizedek provided a priesthood which gave the symbols of bread and wine. Jesus also provided a priesthood which gave the symbols of bread and wine.

Melchizedek: "And Melchizedek King of Salem brought forth bread and wine..." (Gen. 14:18)


Jesus: "While they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to his disciples, saying, "Take and eat; this is my body." Then he took the cup, gave thanks and offered it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom." (Matt. 26:26-29)


Jesus: "I am the bread of life. Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."


"Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"


"Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever." (John 6:48-59)



Identical Title: Anointed One, the "Messiah"

(A) Melchizedek is the "anointed one":

Melchizedek: "You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy." (Heb. 1:9)


(B) Jesus is the "anointed one":

Jesus: "Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his anointed one." (Acts 4:25-26)


Note: The word translated "anointed" is the Greek chrio which refers to contact between the one being anointed and the one doing the anointing. The Greek word "Christos", translated "Christ" is derived from "chrio".


Christian Gnostic Scriptures Discovered in 1945 Affirm Melchizedek and Jesus to be Different Incarnations of the Same Soul

On December, 1945, in Upper Egypt, ancient texts revealing that the early Christians and Jews believed that Melchizedek was a previous reincarnation of Jesus the Messiah.

These long lost texts were discovered by an Arab peasant was digging in the ground in search of fertilizer when he discovered large jars containing books which have been buried since around 390 A.D. These books where hidden by monks from a nearby monastery to escape destruction under the order of the emerging orthodox Church in its violent expunging of all heresy. These texts were one of the greatest archeological discovery ever discovered. It was only eclipsed by the Dead Sea Scroll discovery in Israel two years later in 1947. It is a strange coincidence that these ancient discoveries containing valuable information of early Jewish and Christian theology and history should appear around the same time.

This immensely important discovery in Egypt includes a large number of Christian Gnostic scriptures -- texts once thought to have been entirely destroyed. Some of the scriptures discovered were the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip, and the Gospel of Truth.

One of the Christian Gnostic texts discovered is entitled "Melchizedek". The following quote is from this text. [...] indicates missing fragments or illegible wording.

"And you crucified me from the third hour of the Sabbath - eve until the ninth hour. And after these things I arose from the dead. My body came out of the tomb to me. [...] They did not find anyone greeted me [...] They said to me, Be strong, Melchizedek, great High Priest of God Most High"


There is little doubt that this quote attributed to Melchizedek refers to him being crucified and resurrected. Commenting on the above text, noted authority Birger A. Pearson states:

"Furthermore, the tractate's apparent identification of Melchizedek with Jesus Christ ... is also documented elsewhere in early Christianity, particularly in Egypt. We are drawn to the conclusion that, in the revelation which the priest Melchizedek has received, he has seen that he himself will have a redemptive role to play as the suffering, dying, resurrected and triumphant Savior, Jesus Christ! ... From what we read ... it seems that the victory of Jesus Christ is the victory of Melchizedek and that, in fact, they are one and the same."


"I did and do understand the text of the first tractate to imply that Melchizedek was prophesied to return again, as Jesus."


Dead Sea Scroll Discovery of 1947 Revealed the Messiah to be a Reincarnation of Melchizedek

In 1947, scrolls from the Jewish Essenes were discovered which affirmed that they believed Melchizedek would reincarnate as the Messiah.

These ancient scrolls of profound importance were discovered by young Bedouin shepherds, searching for a stray goat around the Dead Sea in Israel entered an undiscovered cave and found jars filled with ancient scrolls. The Dead Sea Scrolls were scrolls from a monastic group known as the Essenes, dated to be about two thousand years old. The Essenes were an apocalyptic Jewish sect who withdrew from society and established a monastery on the shores of the Dead Sea. It is believed that sometime during the Roman-Jewish war of 66-70 A.D. the Essenes hid their sacred writings.

The Essenes believed in the doctrine of pre-existence and reincarnation and appeared to have been influenced by Gnosticism. The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that the Jewish mystical tradition of divine union went back to the first, perhaps even the third, century B.C.

Biblical scholars were not disturbed by what they found in the Dead Sea Scrolls because they had known all along that the origin of Christianity was not what was commonly supposed to have been.

The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus stated that the Pharisees were believers in reincarnation. Josephus has several long passages dealing with the reincarnation beliefs of both the Essenes and the Pharisees. Josephus writes that the Jews in their secret or esoteric doctrines called the Kabbalah taught reincarnation openly.

The caves where the Dead Sea Scrolls were found yielded a series of thirteen fragments on Melchizedek which identifies Melchizedek as the one who will carry out the vengeance of God's judgments and the one who delivers the people from the hand of Belial and the spirits of his lot.

The belief that Melchizedek was the Messiah was a strongly held conviction among the Qumran community, as well as among some other Jewish and Gnostic sects in the first century A.D. This becomes apparent in the text entitled "The Last Jubilee" (Dead Sea Scroll: 11Q13, Column 2) about the coming of Melchizedek as the Messiah.

"The Last Jubilee" is a sermon within the "Melchizedek Texts" (also known as "I IQ Melchizedek Text" or " I I Q Melchizedek"). The following is a summary of this sermon:

The Last Jubilee text refers in messianic terms to a future King of Righteousness. In the text, this King of Righteousness is described as passing judgment on Belial [Satan] and his followers. After the judgment in heaven comes the destruction of those who have followed Belial rather than God. The text states that "the one designed, by God's favor, for the King of Righteousness (which is what, by his very name, Melchizedek prefigures) will come into his dominion." The time of his coming "into his dominion" is identified as the period which Isaiah termed the year of favor or "acceptable year of the Lord"


The Biblical reference for this can be found in Isaiah 61:1-2:

"The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord has anointed me to bring good tidings to the afflicted, he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captive, and the opening of the prison to those who are bound; to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn ..." (Isaiah 61:1-2)


Jesus made his first appearance in Nazareth and spoke at the synagogue there, and the book of Isaiah was handed to him. Luke 4:17-19 records that he then found and read the two verses quoted above but stopped after the phrase "acceptable year of the Lord." Bible scholars concluded that by suspending reading without referring to God's day of vengeance, Jesus was distinguishing between his present ministry of grace and the second advent when he would carry out God's judgments. On the other hand, his stopping after that phrase may have been for the purpose of emphasis, for it truly was the "year of the Lord."

After Jesus had concluded his reading, verse 21 adds:

"And he began to say unto them, 'Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.'" (Luke 4:21)


Thus in Luke 4:21, Jesus seems to identify himself as the one promised by Isaiah "to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor" when he said, "Today this scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing." And the Melchizedek Texts from the Dead Sea Scrolls identify Melchizedek as the person who will fulfill that prophecy.

In the text "Commentary on the Book of Habakkuk," the "Teacher of Righteousness" is referred to as one "to whom God has made known all the mysteries of His servants the prophets." This Teacher of Righteousness was expected to return and usher in the Messianic Age and according to Jewish tradition to be Elijah or Phinehas or Melchizedek.

At least one respected Dead Sea Scroll authority stated that Jesus in these documents "appears in many respects as an astonishing reincarnation of the Teacher of Righteousness."

The Qumran "Melchizedek Texts" contain several comments which seem clearly to identify the so-called "King of Righteousness," a title referring to Melchizedek, as the promised Messiah. They discuss the role of this future King in overthrowing Belial and executing God's avenging judgment and clearly state that this King will be "Melchizedek redivivus" (reincarnated). One scholar has summarized the document thusly:

"In this fragment, written in Hebrew, Melchizedek appears as an eschatological savior who has a heritage. His mission is to bring back at the end of days the exiles to announce to them their liberation ... and the expiation of their sins."


Near-Death Experience Revelations of Edgar Cayce Reveals Melchizedek and Jesus to be Different Incarnations of the Same Soul

Edgar Cayce received volumes of information from his near-death experiences from a heavenly so-called "Hall of Records." Much of the revelations he received concerned Jesus and his many incarnations including Adam and Melchizedek. Cayce received these revelations years before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Gnostic find. These discoveries agree with the Cayce revelations concerning Adam, Melchizedek and Jesus.

This parallel between Melchizedek and other incarnations from the ancient Christian Gnostic texts also supports the Cayce revelations that Enoch and Melchizedek were the same spirit. Cayce also provided the interesting revelation that the Dead Sea Essenes grew out of the teachings of Melchizedek as propagated by prophets, such as Elijah, Elisha, and Samuel. Cayce also identified Melchizedek as a previous incarnation of Jesus.

According to Cayce, it was necessary that the very advanced spirit of Melchizedek reincarnate in order to reach Christhood as Jesus. The Cayce revelations show us why the Master spirit again incarnated after the experience as Melchizedek:

The Christ spirit incarnated as Adam, Enoch, Melchizedek, then took on flesh to teach and lead. After several more incarnations such as Joseph (prince of Egypt), the Christ spirit realized it was necessary to set a pattern for humanity and to show the way back to God. Thus, the Master spirit assumed the mission of through his final incarnation as Jesus. By resurrecting his body, he made the Jesus-Melchizedek priesthood eternal.


This priesthood, according to the Encyclopedia Judaica's interpretation of Hebrews, "is excellent, superior to that of Abraham's descent, and transcends all human, imperfect orders."

In view of such evidence found in the Hebrew Bible, the New Testament, the Christian Gnostic texts, the Dead Sea Scrolls and extra-Biblical sources such as Cayce, the early Christian veneration of Melchizedek and the rich Messianic tradition about him, Christians should in no way find it demeaning to link the soul of Melchizedek with that of Jesus. Certainly both individuals were important instruments of God, and each life marks an historic step in the spiritual evolution of humanity.


"His followers said to him, 'When will the rest for the dead take place, and when will the new world come?'

"He said to them, 'What you look for has come, but you do not know it.'" - Jesus, the Gospel of Thomas, saying 51



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A bunch of New Age clap-trap....right out of Kaycee and his followers. :roll:

It's possible that Melchezidek WAS ACTAULLY Jesus ( the Bible never mentions him dying), but Jesus wasn't a "reincarnation" of anyone.

Remember how some thought Jesus might be Elijah?? :wink:
 
Soma, you need to remember that keeping a post to a readable size is part of the TOS. Thanks.
 
Rather cut and paste you can give the Link!. You didn’t defend you claims in the carnation thread but started a new one. I can also list out 10 similarities between a Jewish carpenter with Jesus but that will not make any Jewish carpenter as Jesus.

First of all , You don't understand what reincarnation means, Reincarnation is a method of Paying back bad karma, People like Melchizedek or Elijah should NOT be reincarnated because they are already saved , You are violating both Hinduism and Christianity by doing so !!
 
First of all , You don't understand what reincarnation means, Reincarnation is a method of Paying back bad karma, People like Melchizedek or Elijah should NOT be reincarnated because they are already saved , You are violating both Hinduism and Christianity by doing so !!

That is a valid point.

Maybe "incarnation" is a better term than "reincarnation".
 
Soma-Sight said:
First of all , You don't understand what reincarnation means, Reincarnation is a method of Paying back bad karma, People like Melchizedek or Elijah should NOT be reincarnated because they are already saved , You are violating both Hinduism and Christianity by doing so !!

That is a valid point.

Maybe "incarnation" is a better term than "reincarnation".

Hope you understand that the reincarnation is an invalid doctrine, There is only ONE incarnation after that there is a Judgment!
 
Hope you understand that the reincarnation is an invalid doctrine, There is only ONE incarnation after that there is a Judgment!

I suggest you read the Greek partaining to that verse.

Furthermore.....


He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish in his sight and love. (Eph. 1:4)

Choose us before the world was created?

We existed in the mind of God!


The soul has neither beginning nor end… [They] come into this world strengthened by the victories or weakened by the defeats of their previous lives. (Origen, De Principiis)



I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Matt. 24:34)

Looking to reincarnation makes this verse crystal clear!



Resuscitation = The restoration of life to a physically dead body

Resurrection = The giving of spiritual life to a spiritually dead but physically alive person

Reincarnation = The physical rebirth of the spirit of a dead person into the body of a fetus



Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did."" (Matt. 21:32)

In this passage Jesus described two different groups of people entering heaven at different times. This statement is a clear refutation of the resurrection of souls at the end of time. Resurrection assumes that everyone will enter heaven at the same time. Reincarnation assumes that everyone enters heaven at the moment of death. For this reason, the only way for these tax collectors and prostitutes can enter heaven before the Pharisees is through the process of reincarnation.

 
"Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment" (Heb. 9:27)

This verse is used to show that humans die only once, thereby supporting resurrection and refuting reincarnation. But if this verse affirms that people are only allowed a single death, then this itself excludes many people of the Bible. All of the people in the Bible who were "raised from the dead" experienced death more than once (with the exception of Jesus). Other people in the Bible such as Enoch, Elijah and Melchizedek did not even die at all. But most convincing of all, the apostle Paul himself died more than one as recorded in his second letter to the Corinthians:

"I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know - God knows. And I know that this person - whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows - was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that humans are not permitted to tell." (2 Cor. 12:1-4)

Paul uses the Greek idiom "I know a person" which means that he was humbly speaking about himself. He explained that he didn't know if he was taken up in his body or in his spirit, but he was in paradise ("the third heaven") one of the many Christian Gnostic heavens in the afterlife hierarchy. This near-death experience that Paul had cannot positively be identified with a recorded event in Paul's career because his letters describe many times he may have died. It is probable that Paul had his death experience when he was stoned and left for dead (Acts 14:19,20). The reason that Paul related this incident to the Corinthians was to establish his authority as an apostle to them.

This verse in James does affirm a one body/one death reality. But because resurrection and near-death experiences are defined as the reanimation of the same body, then this subjects the person to another death including the so-called "second death" as described in Rev. 2:11.

Reincarnation is defined as the permanent death of the body and the soul incarnating into a different body. This satisfies the one body/one death requirement of this verse in James. For this reason, Heb. 9:27 refutes resurrection and not reincarnation.



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Soma-Sight said:
He chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish in his sight and love. (Eph. 1:4)

Choose us before the world was created?â€Â

It simply shows that God knows the future, He is the author, the whole history of man kind was already written by Him in that sense we exist in Gods mind before creation , Like the author of a story will know the story before penned


Soma-Sight said:
The soul has neither beginning nor end… [They] come into this world strengthened by the victories or weakened by the defeats of their previous lives. (Origen, De Principiis)â€Â

This is not from bible !



Soma-Sight said:
I tell you the truth; this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. (Matt. 24:34)

Looking to reincarnation makes this verse crystal clear!â€Â

It is funny! The verse says the Generation (of Jesus time) will see Jesus’s kingdom. they did saw His kingdom (church) formed after the destruction of the temple (70 AD by Titus) by apostles

Soma-Sight said:
Reincarnation = The physical rebirth of the spirit of a dead person into the body of a fetusâ€Â

You maid a logical fallacy , If everyone is a reincarnation from a previous life why is the world population increasing and not decreasing?
If there are new souls and not reincarnated ones, where do they come from? And of course very importantly;Where did the first person come from - he or she could not have been reincarnated.

Since each soul should be progressively purified of evil through their many reincarnations why isn't the world becoming a better place to live in? , Do you know India the birth place of Reincarnation, Why is there so much human misery in India where karma and reincarnation have been accepted for centuries?



Soma-Sight said:
Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you. For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did."" (Matt. 21:32)

Well Jesus said this to Jews (Pharisees) though they are the selected people the gentiles (tax collectors and the prostitutes) will enter the kingdom of God before them, BTW the kingdom of God is not heaven but Church!
 
Soma-Sight said:
"Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment" (Heb. 9:27)

This verse is used to show that humans die only once, thereby supporting resurrection and refuting reincarnation. But if this verse affirms that people are only allowed a single death, then this itself excludes many people of the Bible. All of the people in the Bible who were "raised from the dead" experienced death more than once (with the exception of Jesus). Other people in the Bible such as Enoch, Elijah and Melchizedek did not even die at all. But most convincing of all, the apostle Paul himself died more than one as recorded in his second letter to the Corinthians:

"I know a person in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know - God knows. And I know that this person - whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows - was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that humans are not permitted to tell." (2 Cor. 12:1-4)

Paul uses the Greek idiom "I know a person" which means that he was humbly speaking about himself. He explained that he didn't know if he was taken up in his body or in his spirit, but he was in paradise ("the third heaven") one of the many Christian Gnostic heavens in the afterlife hierarchy. This near-death experience that Paul had cannot positively be identified with a recorded event in Paul's career because his letters describe many times he may have died. It is probable that Paul had his death experience when he was stoned and left for dead (Acts 14:19,20). The reason that Paul related this incident to the Corinthians was to establish his authority as an apostle to them.

This verse in James does affirm a one body/one death reality. But because resurrection and near-death experiences are defined as the reanimation of the same body, then this subjects the person to another death including the so-called "second death" as described in Rev. 2:11.

Reincarnation is defined as the permanent death of the body and the soul incarnating into a different body. This satisfies the one body/one death requirement of this verse in James. For this reason, Heb. 9:27 refutes resurrection and not reincarnation.



http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen03.html

Where it says the resurrection assums temparal death of a body? , However the verse still refutes reincarnation , It reads "...after that the Judgement" is there any judgement after each reincarnation?
 
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