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Jesus is Archangel

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gingercat

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I just found out that Jesus is archangel!!!

1 Thess 4:16 "For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."
 
gingercat said:
I just found out that Jesus is archangel!!!

1 Thess 4:16 "For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

That does not say he is an archangel, it just says His voice will be like one. Nice try.
 
RSV - Protestant edition - makes it a little more clear:

1Thes.4
[16] For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first;

The Archangel Michael will anounce his coming.

The book of Revelations and the call of the seventh angel support this.

Rev.11
[15] Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he shall reign for ever and ever."

It doesnot speak in first person about Christ as if he is saying this.
 
Gingercat, do you truely believe this? Do you believe that Jesus isn't God?

Your true colors are showing, I can't believe I was almost decieved by you regarding Church. I thank God and others here who made me realise what you are really doing.
 
I found some more:

Rev 12:7 "And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon,..."

Rev 19:13 "He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. The armies of heaven were following him riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen,.."

It seems very much speaking the same One.

My conclusion. I believe Jesus is an Archangel!!!! :D
 
The Archangel Michael will anounce his coming.

The book of Revelations and the call of the seventh angel support this.
I am in agreement with Thess on this. :o

Well almost anyways. I don't believe the seventh trump is the same trump as in 1 Thess 4:16.
 
It is apparent that your conclusion has been reached before your study of the scriptures on the matter and so you will keep searching until you find a verse that you think supports your preconcieved notion. This is called eisegesis. Not sure where you are getting that they are talking about the same individual leading. The first is speaking of the casting out of the angels from heaven. The second one is speaking of the second coming of Christ. It does not say that the individual on the horse is an angel. Jesus is not an angel. Sorry.

Heb 1
6: And again, when he brings the first-born into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him."
7: Of the angels he says, "Who makes his angels winds, and his servants flames of fire."

Heb 1:
13: But to what angel has he ever said, "Sit at my right hand, till I make thy enemies a stool for thy feet"?
14: Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to serve, for the sake of those who are to obtain salvation?

He said what he has not said to any angel to his son, Jesus Christ. Christ is not an angel of any kind.
We should also remember that Heb 1 carries on in to heb 2. Actually when the Bible was written there were no chapter separations. So let's carry on Pauls thought. The word therefore indicates that Heb 2 is a continuation where Paul is drawing conclusions from hebrews 1.

1: Therefore we must pay the closer attention to what we have heard, lest we drift away from it.
2: For if the message declared by angels was valid and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution,
3: how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was declared at first by the Lord, and it was attested to us by those who heard him,
4: while God also bore witness by signs and wonders and various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his own will.
5: For it was not to angels that God subjected the world to come, of which we are speaking. 6: It has been testified somewhere, "What is man that thou art mindful of him, or the son of man, that thou carest for him?
7: Thou didst make him for a little while lower than the angels, thou hast crowned him with glory and honor,
8: putting everything in subjection under his feet." Now in putting everything in subjection to

What an opportunity Paul had here to identify Christ as an angel. He did not however.
God did not subject the world to come to angels. How clear is that? Very. He did subject it to his son who for a little while was made lower than the angels by becoming a man. Jesus Christ is Lord and God! To him, be all glory, praise and honor forever, AMEN!
 
vic said:
The Archangel Michael will anounce his coming.

The book of Revelations and the call of the seventh angel support this.
I am in agreement with Thess on this. :o

Well almost anyways. I don't believe the seventh trump is the same trump as in 1 Thess 4:16.

scary. :angel:
 
Thessalonian said:
It is apparent that your conclusion has been reached before your study of the scriptures on the matter and so you will keep searching until you find a verse that you think supports your preconcieved notion. This is called eisegesis.
I’m in full agreement here, might I add Thessalonian your exegesis was done quite well. It is nice to see someone taking verses in context of the entire passage.

For those who don’t know what eisegesis and exegesis mean here are some definitions:

eisegesis

1. An interpretation, especially of Scripture, that reflects the personal ideas or viewpoint of the interpreter; reading something into a text that isn't there.
(source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eisegesis)

exegesis (plural exegeses)

1. A formal written exposition or explanatory essay especially of a scripture or other religious text.
(source: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/exegesis)

Wikipedia's definition:

Eisegesis (from the Greek εἰσηγεῖσθαι; 'to lead in') is the process of interpretation of an existing text in such a way as to introduce one's own ideas. This is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. While exegesis draws out the meaning from the text, eisegesis occurs when a reader reads his/her interpretation into the text. As a result, exegesis tends to be objective when employed effectively while eisegesis is regarded as highly subjective.
(source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisegesis)
 
Angel isn't even a Scriptural word. The correct translation of the word, "Aggelos" is, "Messenger."
 
My conclusion. I believe Jesus is an Archangel!!!!

Right on....

Think of this for a minute......

Do you honestly believe that the most powerful being in the Universe is limited EXCLUSIVELY to the form of a lowly Nazarene!!!!

LOLOLOLOL!

God forbid. If Jesus is Logos - The Word; and has existed for all eternity....

DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE HE COULDNT HAVE BEEN AN ARCHANGEL IF HE SO CHOOSE TO????

Remember after the Resurrection how his disciples didnt even recognize Him and He disapeared into thin air like some Gypsy.

Christ's True form is not some long haired hippy white guy; we will all witness this at one time or another.....
 
Watch it Soma, you are sort of conttradicting yourself. Yes, He exists in eternity... angels are crested beings however. You do the "math". :lol:
 
Gendou Ikari said:
Angel isn't even a Scriptural word. The correct translation of the word, "Aggelos" is, "Messenger."

No english words in reality are scriptural words. The Bible was not written in KJV. Aggelos is not an English word. It's not a translation but the original greek. Yes, angels are messengers. So what is your point? :o
 
Christ's True form is not some long haired hippy white guy; we will all witness this at one time or another.....

I couldn't have said it better myself, Soma-Sight. :-D


I haven't really done any research on whether or not Jesus Christ is also named Michael the Archangel[Cheif Messenger.] He has used the names, YHWH, I AM, and Jesus, so why can't he use Michael. I'm not ruling out the possiblity that he could be Michael; that is all I am saying.
 
Soma-Sight said:
My conclusion. I believe Jesus is an Archangel!!!!

Right on....

Think of this for a minute......

Do you honestly believe that the most powerful being in the Universe is limited EXCLUSIVELY to the form of a lowly Nazarene!!!!

LOLOLOLOL!

God forbid. If Jesus is Logos - The Word; and has existed for all eternity....

DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE HE COULDNT HAVE BEEN AN ARCHANGEL IF HE SO CHOOSE TO????

Remember after the Resurrection how his disciples didnt even recognize Him and He disapeared into thin air like some Gypsy.

Christ's True form is not some long haired hippy white guy; we will all witness this at one time or another.....

Angels are pure spirit and so is God. Though they are not infinite spirit but like us are finite spirits. God is infinite spirit. In order to be an angel God would have had to have confined his spirit, such that he was no longer fully God. So, I do not believe that God became an angel. Perhaps there is a way in which he could have. But logically it is not obvious.
 
Angels are pure spirit and so is God. Though they are not infinite spirit but like us are finite spirits. God is infinite spirit. In order to be an angel God would have had to have confined his spirit, such that he was no longer fully God. So, I do not believe that God became an angel. Perhaps there is a way in which he could have. But logically it is not obvious.

Dude you just contradicted the whole Trinitarian theory!!!

What was Jesus then???

He was in a FINITE form and is supposedly "God"!

Maybe the Muslims are right eh?

We are wrong to "worship" Jesus because it is not the True God which is limitless??

lol
 
Jesus is not God, Jesus is Son of God. God is Jesus' Father.
 
Jesus is not Michael the Archangel. Jesus said He was God. He said He was The Son of God.(as apposed to a son of god). None of those scriptures prove anything to me.

Here are some scriptures about Michael:
Dan 10:13 But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia.

Dan 10:21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

As you can plainly see, none of these scripture say that Jesus is Michael. That is all I can find in my search.
Of course, the choice is yours. If you want to believe it, I can't tell you anything about it.
I hope you will see the truth and not get sucked into this.
 
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