Jesus to come again & kill all our enemies?!! HUH?

[Lehigh3]

I'd like to know why many Christians believe that Christ is going to return to earth literally & make doctrine out of prophetic symbolism?(as Christ physically & literally having a sword in His mouth defeating our enemies in Rev.19) The opposite of literal is not "spiritual" or we wouldn't know anything if we couldn't discern spiritual things. The prophet symbolism was also used in the O.T. by the prophets, etc.

Christ said to the Jews in Israel at His 1st advent that He came to make war. Brother against brother, etc. He already made war against His enemies as it is written by John in Revelation 1 & 22, that ALL the things in that book must take place soon. How literal do you need God to be about that imminence (without twisting its meaning!) before you see God's timing? History says that the Jews were divided & most did not accept His New Covenant of grace & peace.

John was in tribulation with the saints in the "kingdom of Christ" when he wrote Revelation.(Rev.1) What "kingdom" did Jesus hand up to the Father so that the end of the Jewish age could happen? The "Jewish" age or old covenant.

Paul states in 2Thess. 1:3-10 NKJV (regarding the Judaizers & scoffers) to the believers that,
God’s Final Judgment and Glory


3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe,[a] because our testimony among you was believed.
Paul was addressing the 1st century Thess. & not us directly about Christ crushing satan at "our" / their feet shortly bc he even says in 2 Thess. 2:5 "remember when I was still with you I told you these things?"

What I am denying is that "we" today, are not in the end times of the Jewish age. Why does orthodoxy try to say (although the Bible does not) that Christ's kingdom will end? (the Christian age that is)

The church age is forever & ever. Both in heaven & on earth. (Eph.3:20-21)

Why do we make Him coming with ten thousand of His angels something literal in the N.T.- while considering the same prophetic symbolism in the O.T. as figurative?.....
Deut.33:1-2 NKJV,
Moses’ Final Blessing on Israel

1 Now this is the blessing with which Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. 2 And he said:

“The LORD came from Sinai,
And dawned on them from Seir;
He shone forth from Mount Paran,
And He came with ten thousands of saints;
From His right hand
Came a fiery law for them.

:::

 

[tim-from-pa]

Why do we make Him coming with ten thousand of His angels something literal in the N.T.- while considering the same prophetic symbolism in the O.T. as figurative?.....

Because it is stated so. Not allegory, not symbolism, but literal. Even the book of Enoch states he is coming with 10,000's of his saints which is where that was quoted from. Enoch is definitely in the OT timeframe.

Secondly, I don't see Jesus on the throne of David yet. That throne is a genealogically inherited throne and is an Earthly throne and nowhere in the scripture does it equate it to the one at the right hand of God the Father. And nowhere does it say it was moved to heaven. But the Psalmist stated that the throne is for ALL generations as witnessed by the sun and moon. The sun and moon do not witness to heavenly thrones above them, but to things on the earth.

The OT uses a lot of types and shadows and representations, but what they represent are literal just as words are symbolic representations of a tangible object--- but the object exists. A good example of OT types is the Tabernacle.

 

[reba]

Yikes :eeeekkk Stuck some place between Lehigh3 tim-from-pa :help

Is not the church 10,000s plus strong? are we not 10,000 plus saints...


how literal tim? Will Christ set on the same throne (chair) and David? literal to what degree.

Maybe if i try and discribe what i see as David kingdom .....

David was king "of the people". He put the ark (the presences of God) in the mistd of the people ie: the tabernacle of David. I see a really clear picture of Christ in the stories of David. David concored the golith Jesus concored sin David was not apart from the folks. David was a sheephearded born a simple nobody. The tabernacle of David is to be rebuilt
I dont see Christ setting in a hugh palace of marble and gold inlay etc. Him setting in a big chair wearing a crown of gold and dimonds holding asepter just is not my idea of Christ. That seems to be the worlds idea of Christ.
The first altar we read of was Cain and Able there was not a temple involved. I sorta think we did the temple thing Christ came and now we ARE the temple.

 

[Joe67]

Yikes :eeeekkk Stuck some place between Lehigh3 tim-from-pa :help

Is not the church 10,000s plus strong? are we not 10,000 plus saints...


how literal tim? Will Christ set on the same throne (chair) and David? literal to what degree.

Maybe if i try and discribe what i see as David kingdom .....

David was king "of the people". He put the ark (the presences of God) in the mistd of the people ie: the tabernacle of David. I see a really clear picture of Christ in the stories of David. David concored the golith Jesus concored sin David was not apart from the folks. David was a sheephearded born a simple nobody. The tabernacle of David is to be rebuilt
I dont see Christ setting in a hugh palace of marble and gold inlay etc. Him setting in a big chair wearing a crown of gold and dimonds holding asepter just is not my idea of Christ. That seems to be the worlds idea of Christ.
The first altar we read of was Cain and Able there was not a temple involved. I sorta think we did the temple thing Christ came and now we ARE the temple.

reba,

Yes, the picture the Lord gives me to see is between the super literalism (in which I began in Jesus) and the super mystical. I believe that both these two views are sincere. Literalism would be like Nicodemus and the loaves of unleavened bread. Mystical would be like the woman at the well and the flames of fire on the 7 branched candlestick. Jesus ministered to both. I hope both received him and little by little were transformed into Jesus' blend of two that made him the "new man", thereby making peace. He is the prince of peace. Peace occurs when we bless our enemies as we are covered in the cloud of the incense of suffering.

The high places are lowered. The low places are raised.

Joe

 

[jasoncran]

the age of the gentiles or times of the gentiles is what i think he means.

and i do believe that the lord returns but literally with a sword but that doenst mean he wont do battle at har megiddo.

revalation has symbols that must be intrepreted and then taken literally.

 

[Lehigh3]

the age of the gentiles or times of the gentiles is what i think he means.

and i do believe that the lord returns but literally with a sword but that doenst mean he wont do battle at har megiddo.

revalation has symbols that must be intrepreted and then taken literally.

Oh well, last time I disagreed with a moderator about preterism they limited me to an "other religions" section & I just felt like an unknown 3rd political party where no one read my threads there.
But, since I still call no one on earth "Father" including the so-called church fathers, I admit I only agree with the Holy Writ & not everything worded in the "creeds" - which were not canonized (thank God)

I'd like to point out that what happened to the Jews throughout the "inhabitable world" at the time (to describe the Roman empire) Jews in all those cities would be affected by God's theocratic judgment which literally culminated in Jerusalem & the 2nd temple (Zerubbabel's & Herod's fulfillment of Ezekiel's temple- all the 2nd temple)

Symbols don't seem to be interpreted correctly & are made to look like a fictitious movie by those who don't understand prophetic symbolism.

Yes, Armageddon was Israel's last "Biblical" war.
God used symbols through the prophets to describe destruction of a nation many times in the O.T.

For example, Isaiah 13- Note that it was pay back for ancient Babylon by the Medes.Read the chapter- it's prophetic symbolism describing a literal event. Note the symbolism of how God destroys a nation.

Heavens & earth, sun & moon & stars, etc, etc, have more than one meaning in the prophetic.
The prophet Isaiah confirms the symbol of heavens & earth as a government & nation - either to destroy or being destroyed by God.
In revelation, it was the harlot Babylon- the woman -which was Torah worshiping Jews in the great tribulation. Josephus' works describes again how "that generation" of Jews had become a habit of demons, the famine, the false prophets of the Jews, the abomination of desolation by the Romans surrounding the city & temple. The times of the Gentiles were in the 1st century AD- the Romans taking the city & temple.

So no, the sun & moon & star prophecies, etc. have nothing to do with the literal stars in the sky falling.
Although Josephus does confirm armies of angels seen above Jerusalem & cosmic events (like lightning from east to west) during the capture of the city AD67-70.5.

Yet I still hear Christians preach that this physical world will literally "dissolve" or something. That is bc of the lack of study of prophetic symbolism that is used throughout the Bible.

Jerusalem was "raised up" to its spiritual & holy Zion status in Zechariah 14.
That's the description of New Jerusalem. Now that's spiritual & not earthly, literal, like the old Jerusalem of the flesh only. God left the temple & the Jewish theocracy ended 2,000 yrs ago. God called His servants by another name (Christians or New Jerusalem) See Isaiah 65-66.


The foundations of the earth were never destroyed- not even in Noah's day. Only the wicked were removed. But remember where the dove landed- on dry land.

 

[Eventide]

There are TWO important NT scripture references which relate to the Lord's COMING...

2 Thess 2 says that the Lord will destroy the man of sin with the brightness of His coming.. and Rev 19 shows the Lord coming and at that time taking the beast alive and throwing him into the lake of fire. I believe that the man of sin and beast are the same..

These are clearly future events and to suggest that they're in the past is ridiculous at best.

Preterism is like a cancer Paul says.. those who would preach that the resurrection is past already.. sheer nonsense.

 

[Lehigh3]

by Eventide,

There are TWO important NT scripture references which relate to the Lord's COMING...

I believe there are much more & none of them are to be taken literally. Except perhaps where "all eyes would see Him" in Rev. That's bc "all the tribes" (of Israel) would mourn when they saw Him at the right hand of power in the clouds. That is what Jesus told the Pharisees- that He was God's Son & would see His power. And they did, & died during the wrathful judgment.

Jesus told Peter that He would return & receive him to Himself. Do you believe that Peter & the martyred apostles spirits were "received" by Jesus after the restoration of Israel- in the 1st century AD? I do, yes, the Lord would receive their spirits after those who had to die the way they did was completed in AD70.
Matt.24:23-31 NKJV,
23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.
26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; orHe is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together. ‘Look, The Coming of the Son of Man


29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[jasoncran]

Oh well, last time I disagreed with a moderator about preterism they limited me to an "other religions" section & I just felt like an unknown 3rd political party where no one read my threads there.
But, since I still call no one on earth "Father" including the so-called church fathers, I admit I only agree with the Holy Writ & not everything worded in the "creeds" - which were not canonized (thank God)

I'd like to point out that what happened to the Jews throughout the "inhabitable world" at the time (to describe the Roman empire) Jews in all those cities would be affected by God's theocratic judgment which literally culminated in Jerusalem & the 2nd temple (Zerubbabel's & Herod's fulfillment of Ezekiel's temple- all the 2nd temple)

Symbols don't seem to be interpreted correctly & are made to look like a fictitious movie by those who don't understand prophetic symbolism.

Yes, Armageddon was Israel's last "Biblical" war.
God used symbols through the prophets to describe destruction of a nation many times in the O.T.

For example, Isaiah 13- Note that it was pay back for ancient Babylon by the Medes.Read the chapter- it's prophetic symbolism describing a literal event. Note the symbolism of how God destroys a nation.

Heavens & earth, sun & moon & stars, etc, etc, have more than one meaning in the prophetic.
The prophet Isaiah confirms the symbol of heavens & earth as a government & nation - either to destroy or being destroyed by God.
In revelation, it was the harlot Babylon- the woman -which was Torah worshiping Jews in the great tribulation. Josephus' works describes again how "that generation" of Jews had become a habit of demons, the famine, the false prophets of the Jews, the abomination of desolation by the Romans surrounding the city & temple. The times of the Gentiles were in the 1st century AD- the Romans taking the city & temple.

So no, the sun & moon & star prophecies, etc. have nothing to do with the literal stars in the sky falling.
Although Josephus does confirm armies of angels seen above Jerusalem & cosmic events (like lightning from east to west) during the capture of the city AD67-70.5.

Yet I still hear Christians preach that this physical world will literally "dissolve" or something. That is bc of the lack of study of prophetic symbolism that is used throughout the Bible.

Jerusalem was "raised up" to its spiritual & holy Zion status in Zechariah 14.
That's the description of New Jerusalem. Now that's spiritual & not earthly, literal, like the old Jerusalem of the flesh only. God left the temple & the Jewish theocracy ended 2,000 yrs ago. God called His servants by another name (Christians or New Jerusalem) See Isaiah 65-66.




The foundations of the earth were never destroyed- not even in Noah's day. Only the wicked were removed. But remember where the dove landed- on dry land.

the earth isnt destroyed just recreated with no sea.

if i take it your way. i would be believing in evolution as surely it can't be possible that god made lions to be vegans and not kill their prey.

 

[reba]

There are TWO important NT scripture references which relate to the Lord's COMING...

2 Thess 2 says that the Lord will destroy the man of sin with the brightness of His coming.. and Rev 19 shows the Lord coming and at that time taking the beast alive and throwing him into the lake of fire. I believe that the man of sin and beast are the same..

These are clearly future events and to suggest that they're in the past is ridiculous at best.

Preterism is like a cancer Paul says.. those who would preach that the resurrection is past already.. sheer nonsense.

Arn't we sotra resurrected from sin .. Arn't we dead in sin and made alive in Him ?
Doesn't He quicken our mortal bodies?

Still to come:

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Sinthesis]

the earth isnt destroyed just recreated with no sea.

What do you suppose the symbolic meaning of that is?

 

[Eventide]

Arn't we sotra resurrected from sin .. Arn't we dead in sin and made alive in Him ?
Doesn't He quicken our mortal bodies?

Yeah, we're sorta resurrected.. lol.

Still to come:

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Yes, the resurrection of the dead is a future event... but preterism claims that it's already past.. Paul says that people who say things like this are like a cancer.

I don't think it can get any more ridiculous than preterism..and it makes the living and powerful word of God of none effect.

 

[jasoncran]

What do you suppose the symbolic meaning of that is?

i take that literal.

think about it, why wouldnt god do that, hes done away with death at that time. so we wont need a liver or any body part that cleanes us from toxins as there wont be any on the earth.

nor sun.

nor will be anything that causes us sorrow.

why wouldnt god restore the earth to what he made it in the first place?

do you believe that being a vegan is healthier than a carnivore?

there wasnt death in the garden nor rain.

 

[Lehigh3]

by jasoncran,

the earth isnt destroyed just recreated with no sea.

Hmm. Especially in Revelation, symbolism needs to be interpreted there.

What do you think "the sea" means? If it's in Revelation, we should look at the prophetic meaning - rather than the wooden literal sea, like the Red Sea referrals, etc.
In Genesis 1:7, God even has waters above the firmament of heaven. Solomon had this brazen "sea" represented in the Temple motif. And also "the sea" is sometimes especially relating to the "sea of the Gentiles" - which the sea represents the heathen - as in "the beast from the sea" (Rev.13)

The sea in the New Jerusalem - the "no more sea" in the New Jerusalem universal church means: the gates of the church are open 24/7 & there are no more barriers & God is our tabernacle. No more death & tears was for Biblical Israel. They were judged many times by God & their iniquities resulted in death (Ezekiel's dry bones of national Israel) & of course tears. Such was prophesied in Deuteronomy regarding the law of "blessings & cursings."
The Mosaic age was marked by an exclusivism associated with the national election of the Jews. This is represented throughout Revelation by "the land" & the"sea." The sea represented vast bodies by which men & nations were separated- they were the natural barriers & boundaries forever separating earth's people.
The removal of the sea in our New Jerusalem (church universal on earth as it is in heaven) corresponds with the universal nature of the gospel in which every people, nation, & tongue are united in Christ. Isaiah describes the bringing in of the Gentiles, saying, "the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee." (Isa.60:5).
In the new heavens & earth (& we are part of the new creation) Jew & Gentile are both the seed of Abraham & heirs of the world & kingdom of Christ. (Gal.3:27-28; Rom.4:13; 8:17)

The Spirit and the bride say come drink the water of life freely. From Whom gives that Holy Spirit to well up inside- which is Jesus. Amen!

 

[mpok1519]

I interpret Revelation wholly figurative, symbolic and metaphorical.

 

[jasoncran]

by jasoncran,Hmm. Especially in Revelation, symbolism needs to be interpreted there.

What do you think "the sea" means? If it's in Revelation, we should look at the prophetic meaning - rather than the wooden literal sea, like the Red Sea referrals, etc.
In Genesis 1:7, God even has waters above the firmament of heaven. Solomon had this brazen "sea" represented in the Temple motif. And also "the sea" is sometimes especially relating to the "sea of the Gentiles" - which the sea represents the heathen - as in "the beast from the sea" (Rev.13)

The sea in the New Jerusalem - the "no more sea" in the New Jerusalem universal church means: the gates of the church are open 24/7 & there are no more barriers & God is our tabernacle. No more death & tears was for Biblical Israel. They were judged many times by God & their iniquities resulted in death (Ezekiel's dry bones of national Israel) & of course tears. Such was prophesied in Deuteronomy regarding the law of "blessings & cursings."
The Mosaic age was marked by an exclusivism associated with the national election of the Jews. This is represented throughout Revelation by "the land" & the"sea." The sea represented vast bodies by which men & nations were separated- they were the natural barriers & boundaries forever separating earth's people.
The removal of the sea in our New Jerusalem (church universal on earth as it is in heaven) corresponds with the universal nature of the gospel in which every people, nation, & tongue are united in Christ. Isaiah describes the bringing in of the Gentiles, saying, "the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee." (Isa.60:5).
In the new heavens & earth (& we are part of the new creation) Jew & Gentile are both the seed of Abraham & heirs of the world & kingdom of Christ. (Gal.3:27-28; Rom.4:13; 8:17)

The Spirit and the bride say come drink the water of life freely. From Whom gives that Holy Spirit to well up inside- which is Jesus. Amen!

no more church? odd so we dont gather to the lord in worship no more?

and death as that is the same sentence btw, so death still is?

inconsistent.

and i wonder what do you mean by the sun and moon shall be no more and we will need no light in that city for the lord himself will be that light.

 

[Lehigh3]

by jasoncran,

no more church? odd so we dont gather to the lord in worship no more?

Where did I infer "no more church?" It was "no more sea" that was in question.

and death as that is the same sentence btw, so death still is?

It says the opposite. It says no more death. Exactly. The faithful have "eternal life" in the Spirit. It begins now in this life- having died to sin & death in Adam & made alive in Christ Jesus. That is who "enters" the New Jerusalem city (which is spiritual of course) where righteousness dwells. Notice that the salvation call is still going out (in the New Jerusalem).

and i wonder what do you mean by the sun and moon shall be no more and we will need no light in that city for the lord himself will be that light.

The symbols of the "sun, moon, stars," is too lengthy to describe right now. Most importantly, in that verse is "the Lord Himself will be our light."
This has already been established- believers are not waiting for this. Isaiah used a similar metaphor in describing the light of the redeemed:
God the Glory of His People

19 “ The sun shall no longer be your light by day,
Nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you;
But the LORD will be to you an everlasting light,
And your God your glory.
20 Your sun shall no longer go down,
Nor shall your moon withdraw itself;
For the LORD will be your everlasting light,
And the days of your mourning shall be ended. [Isa.60:19-20 NKJV]

Being a spiritual habitation, the church does not walk by the light of the sun or of the moon-it doesn't use physical light to direct its way but walks by the light of Christ. Note Psalm 119:105 KJV,
105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

 

[warhorse]

I'd like to know why many Christians believe that Christ is going to return to earth literally & make doctrine out of prophetic symbolism?(as Christ physically & literally having a sword in His mouth defeating our enemies in Rev.19) The opposite of literal is not "spiritual" or we wouldn't know anything if we couldn't discern spiritual things. The prophet symbolism was also used in the O.T. by the prophets, etc.

Christ said to the Jews in Israel at His 1st advent that He came to make war. Brother against brother, etc. He already made war against His enemies as it is written by John in Revelation 1 & 22, that ALL the things in that book must take place soon. How literal do you need God to be about that imminence (without twisting its meaning!) before you see God's timing? History says that the Jews were divided & most did not accept His New Covenant of grace & peace.

John was in tribulation with the saints in the "kingdom of Christ" when he wrote Revelation.(Rev.1) What "kingdom" did Jesus hand up to the Father so that the end of the Jewish age could happen? The "Jewish" age or old covenant.

Paul states in 2Thess. 1:3-10 NKJV (regarding the Judaizers & scoffers) to the believers that,
God’s Final Judgment and Glory


3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who believe,[a] because our testimony among you was believed.
Paul was addressing the 1st century Thess. & not us directly about Christ crushing satan at "our" / their feet shortly bc he even says in 2 Thess. 2:5 "remember when I was still with you I told you these things?"

What I am denying is that "we" today, are not in the end times of the Jewish age. Why does orthodoxy try to say (although the Bible does not) that Christ's kingdom will end? (the Christian age that is)

The church age is forever & ever. Both in heaven & on earth. (Eph.3:20-21)

Why do we make Him coming with ten thousand of His angels something literal in the N.T.- while considering the same prophetic symbolism in the O.T. as figurative?.....
Deut.33:1-2 NKJV,
Moses’ Final Blessing on Israel

1 Now this is the blessing with which Moses the man of God blessed the children of Israel before his death. 2 And he said:

“The LORD came from Sinai,
And dawned on them from Seir;
He shone forth from Mount Paran,
And He came with ten thousands of saints;
From His right hand
Came a fiery law for them.

:::

Because the nails and thorns were real, we have every reason to believe that his return and kingdom are real.

 

[jasoncran]

by jasoncran,
Where did I infer "no more church?" It was "no more sea" that was in question.
It says the opposite. It says no more death. Exactly. The faithful have "eternal life" in the Spirit. It begins now in this life- having died to sin & death in Adam & made alive in Christ Jesus. That is who "enters" the New Jerusalem city (which is spiritual of course) where righteousness dwells. Notice that the salvation call is still going out (in the New Jerusalem).
The symbols of the "sun, moon, stars," is too lengthy to describe right now. Most importantly, in that verse is "the Lord Himself will be our light."
This has already been established- believers are not waiting for this. Isaiah used a similar metaphor in describing the light of the redeemed:
God the Glory of His People

19 “ The sun shall no longer be your light by day,
Nor for brightness shall the moon give light to you;
But the LORD will be to you an everlasting light,
And your God your glory.
20 Your sun shall no longer go down,
Nor shall your moon withdraw itself;
For the LORD will be your everlasting light,
And the days of your mourning shall be ended. [Isa.60:19-20 NKJV]

Being a spiritual habitation, the church does not walk by the light of the sun or of the moon-it doesn't use physical light to direct its way but walks by the light of Christ. Note Psalm 119:105 KJV,
105Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

so in your view theres no use for the earth when its all said and done, no bodily ressurection??????????

 

[TheTimeHasCome]

"Therefore, come mighty nations! Bring your multitudes with you... Come up for the day of slaughter! Says The Lord God Almighty. My anger has come up into My face and My hand is raised, poised in My strength, ready to strike you down with great vengeance! Come, oh mighty men... Come down from the north as the whirlwind, and fight against Me, says The Lord. Bring the fullness of Ishmael with you... Gather together and come! Bring forth the weapons from the storehouses, from Asia to the kings of the south... Come forth, for The Lord God of Israel has prepared a slaughter.



Enemies of Israel, I call you out!...

Come forth, for indeed the world has turned a deaf ear...

And many nations are in agreement,
And not one will prevent you...


Therefore, come forth!...

Come and fight against Me!...


It is time." ~

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