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This is a perfect example of text manipulation to prove one's point. Now watch how I will get all of this down.
Pslam 16: A miktam of David. This pslam clearly regards David and not Jesus. Another thing - what proof do you have that Jesus resurrected? Because then you could say the same about Iulius Caesar, Mitra, Osiris and many others - you have no proof except your religious scripture, which is not necessarly based on facts, but is rather made to confirm one's faith, not their view on history.
Pslam 22: A psalm of David. Person os David has nothing to do with Jesus in here - he has not even been of royal descent - he is not heir or David even in a tiniest bit. He simply quotes this psalm because he considers himself in the same position as once David has been - nothing to do with subject of being a messiah.
Once again - this is psalm of David, it has nothing to do with Jesus. Why do you try so hard and manipulate the text?
David =/= Jesus. Manipulation once again.
Isaiah's prohpecy is about Immanuel, messiah in the time of king Ahaz, not about Jesus - see the difference? Why do you manipulate the biblical text? It's a double-edge sword. Pslam 22 talks about David's fate - not about Jesus. It talks about evil men piercing his hands and feet - the same evil men who has encircled him, you maniulate it to state that encircled by evil men means surrounded by 2 thieves - but did those thieves pierce Jesus limbs? No, they did not.
Zech 12:10 talks about victory of Jerusalem, Israel over its enemies, not about Jesus.
Once again - Psalm 22 speaks of David, not Jesus. Where is there even his name mentioned? Nowhere - but David's is...
Same thing - manipulation of the text by you.
Ditto.
I still don't understand how you can confuse David with Jesus several times in a row. Read the psalmic text without prejudism, you will understand you are changing its true meaning. Hosea 6 speaks of the nation of Israel, not about Jesus. Also, word "yom" is indefinite word - it may mean several diffrent time spans - this is to be understood metaphorically, not literally.
" Of David. When he pretended to be insane before Abimelech, who drove him away, and he left." This clearly speaks of David - no way to not see that. You manipulate Bible on purpose, is this how Christians are supposed to behave?
"Even my close friend, whom I trusted,
he who shared my bread,
has lifted up his heel against me."
Either Jesus was not omniscient as Christians claim or it is not directed at him (it is not directed at him by the way).
Psalm 55:5: "Let death take my enemies by surprise;
let them go down alive to the grave,
for evil finds lodging among them.
Ah, so this would be the reason for Crusades and Inquisition, since this was regarding Jesus and not David - now I understand, blessed be the killers in the name of Jesus!
"When you ascended on high, " - does stating that I have a house in the mountains makes it equal of me stating I have a place in Heaven? Nope, it does not - another manipulation by you.
"Our God is a God who saves;
from the Sovereign LORD comes escape from death"
This is not even talking 'bout a specific person, not even about David - it speaks of power of God's will - not about abilities of one man, Jesus.
First of all - it speaks of David, of present times. No psalm is to be understood as a prophecy, that makes it imossible to speak of future events. Second - viegar was drunk daily by Israelities, what's so special about it? Does me drinking tea make me Queen Elisabeth? Didnd'tknow it does, oops - it doesn't.
The LORD says to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."
It speaks of David - David is said to stay peaceful because God will defeat his enemies for him.
" Israel's Sin and the Servant's Obedience" - that explains everything. Psalm 50 speaks of Nation of Israel, not about one person.
Not Israel's ruler's - but Israel's, it's a metaphore, if you didn't understand. Anyways - Jesus wasn't the ruler of Israel, so even if it would be a prophecy, which it is not, and even if it would regard one, single person - it wouldn't be in regards to Jesus because Jesus, simply, wasn't the ruler of Israel, was he?
It is not a prophecy, it speaks of what has already happened and not will happen - it probably speaks of David, certainly not Jesus.
If Jesus is the person spoken of in Zech 13:6, then he is a false prophet because this is what this text talks about:
""On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.
2 "On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more," declares the LORD Almighty. "I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land. 3 And if anyone still prophesies, his father and mother, to whom he was born, will say to him, 'You must die, because you have told lies in the LORD's name.' When he prophesies, his own parents will stab him.
4 "On that day every prophet will be ashamed of his prophetic vision. He will not put on a prophet's garment of hair in order to deceive. 5 He will say, 'I am not a prophet. I am a farmer; the land has been my livelihood since my youth. [a] ' 6 If someone asks him, 'What are these wounds on your body ?' he will answer, 'The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.'"
Also, this passage speaks of Messianic Era, this is yet to come (Era of peace, WW1 and WW2 indicate somethng opposite to me).
This passage is not a prophecy, as I already cleared up - it talks about past events. If this would be in the NT, I would understand it talking of Jesus, but this is OT - certainly is not about him.
Ditto. As for Dan 9:26 - Jesus did not fulfill any of the prophecies, he cannot be considered the Annointed One.
"He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth."
This claims he will lie with rich and wicked him being rightenous - it does not say he will be burried in rich man's tomb.
I'll leave this without a comment - explained this alot in this post, hope you will grasp already.
Yeah, and Peter's shadow healed people - do you really believe those folktales? Anyways - Amos 8:9 talks about The World to Come, not about Jesus crucification.
First of all - Jesus was not dead for 3 days and 3 nights - that's a detail, to you, I suppose. Second - this could also foreshadow Pinokio's father's journey to the belly of a whale...
"But the LORD provided a great fish to swallow Jonah"
It speaks of Jonah, not about Jesus and is not a prophecy at all - another manipulation by you, bravo!
"Because of this I will weep and wail;
I will go about barefoot and naked.
I will howl like a jackal
and moan like an owl."
It speaks of YHWH's judgement over Samaria and Jerusalem - not about a human person.
This speaks of shepards, is not a prophecy and does not mention Judas at all - enough?
Ditto.
Ditto.
Explained already.
Is Jesus referred to in the Bible: http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=276&o=534,
why don’t Jews believe that Jesus was the messiah?: http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=227&o=350,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=276&o=531,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=276&o=2055290,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=227&o=2061705,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=194&o=196656,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=227&o=18731.
Pslam 16: A miktam of David. This pslam clearly regards David and not Jesus. Another thing - what proof do you have that Jesus resurrected? Because then you could say the same about Iulius Caesar, Mitra, Osiris and many others - you have no proof except your religious scripture, which is not necessarly based on facts, but is rather made to confirm one's faith, not their view on history.
Pslam 22: A psalm of David. Person os David has nothing to do with Jesus in here - he has not even been of royal descent - he is not heir or David even in a tiniest bit. He simply quotes this psalm because he considers himself in the same position as once David has been - nothing to do with subject of being a messiah.
Once again - this is psalm of David, it has nothing to do with Jesus. Why do you try so hard and manipulate the text?
David =/= Jesus. Manipulation once again.
Isaiah's prohpecy is about Immanuel, messiah in the time of king Ahaz, not about Jesus - see the difference? Why do you manipulate the biblical text? It's a double-edge sword. Pslam 22 talks about David's fate - not about Jesus. It talks about evil men piercing his hands and feet - the same evil men who has encircled him, you maniulate it to state that encircled by evil men means surrounded by 2 thieves - but did those thieves pierce Jesus limbs? No, they did not.
Zech 12:10 talks about victory of Jerusalem, Israel over its enemies, not about Jesus.
Once again - Psalm 22 speaks of David, not Jesus. Where is there even his name mentioned? Nowhere - but David's is...
Same thing - manipulation of the text by you.
Ditto.
I still don't understand how you can confuse David with Jesus several times in a row. Read the psalmic text without prejudism, you will understand you are changing its true meaning. Hosea 6 speaks of the nation of Israel, not about Jesus. Also, word "yom" is indefinite word - it may mean several diffrent time spans - this is to be understood metaphorically, not literally.
" Of David. When he pretended to be insane before Abimelech, who drove him away, and he left." This clearly speaks of David - no way to not see that. You manipulate Bible on purpose, is this how Christians are supposed to behave?
"Even my close friend, whom I trusted,
he who shared my bread,
has lifted up his heel against me."
Either Jesus was not omniscient as Christians claim or it is not directed at him (it is not directed at him by the way).
Psalm 55:5: "Let death take my enemies by surprise;
let them go down alive to the grave,
for evil finds lodging among them.
Ah, so this would be the reason for Crusades and Inquisition, since this was regarding Jesus and not David - now I understand, blessed be the killers in the name of Jesus!
"When you ascended on high, " - does stating that I have a house in the mountains makes it equal of me stating I have a place in Heaven? Nope, it does not - another manipulation by you.
"Our God is a God who saves;
from the Sovereign LORD comes escape from death"
This is not even talking 'bout a specific person, not even about David - it speaks of power of God's will - not about abilities of one man, Jesus.
First of all - it speaks of David, of present times. No psalm is to be understood as a prophecy, that makes it imossible to speak of future events. Second - viegar was drunk daily by Israelities, what's so special about it? Does me drinking tea make me Queen Elisabeth? Didnd'tknow it does, oops - it doesn't.
The LORD says to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand
until I make your enemies
a footstool for your feet."
It speaks of David - David is said to stay peaceful because God will defeat his enemies for him.
" Israel's Sin and the Servant's Obedience" - that explains everything. Psalm 50 speaks of Nation of Israel, not about one person.
Not Israel's ruler's - but Israel's, it's a metaphore, if you didn't understand. Anyways - Jesus wasn't the ruler of Israel, so even if it would be a prophecy, which it is not, and even if it would regard one, single person - it wouldn't be in regards to Jesus because Jesus, simply, wasn't the ruler of Israel, was he?
It is not a prophecy, it speaks of what has already happened and not will happen - it probably speaks of David, certainly not Jesus.
If Jesus is the person spoken of in Zech 13:6, then he is a false prophet because this is what this text talks about:
""On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.
2 "On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more," declares the LORD Almighty. "I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land. 3 And if anyone still prophesies, his father and mother, to whom he was born, will say to him, 'You must die, because you have told lies in the LORD's name.' When he prophesies, his own parents will stab him.
4 "On that day every prophet will be ashamed of his prophetic vision. He will not put on a prophet's garment of hair in order to deceive. 5 He will say, 'I am not a prophet. I am a farmer; the land has been my livelihood since my youth. [a] ' 6 If someone asks him, 'What are these wounds on your body ?' he will answer, 'The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.'"
Also, this passage speaks of Messianic Era, this is yet to come (Era of peace, WW1 and WW2 indicate somethng opposite to me).
This passage is not a prophecy, as I already cleared up - it talks about past events. If this would be in the NT, I would understand it talking of Jesus, but this is OT - certainly is not about him.
Ditto. As for Dan 9:26 - Jesus did not fulfill any of the prophecies, he cannot be considered the Annointed One.
"He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth."
This claims he will lie with rich and wicked him being rightenous - it does not say he will be burried in rich man's tomb.
I'll leave this without a comment - explained this alot in this post, hope you will grasp already.
Yeah, and Peter's shadow healed people - do you really believe those folktales? Anyways - Amos 8:9 talks about The World to Come, not about Jesus crucification.
First of all - Jesus was not dead for 3 days and 3 nights - that's a detail, to you, I suppose. Second - this could also foreshadow Pinokio's father's journey to the belly of a whale...
"But the LORD provided a great fish to swallow Jonah"
It speaks of Jonah, not about Jesus and is not a prophecy at all - another manipulation by you, bravo!
"Because of this I will weep and wail;
I will go about barefoot and naked.
I will howl like a jackal
and moan like an owl."
It speaks of YHWH's judgement over Samaria and Jerusalem - not about a human person.
This speaks of shepards, is not a prophecy and does not mention Judas at all - enough?
Ditto.
Ditto.
Explained already.
Is Jesus referred to in the Bible: http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=276&o=534,
why don’t Jews believe that Jesus was the messiah?: http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=227&o=350,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=276&o=531,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=276&o=2055290,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=227&o=2061705,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=194&o=196656,
http://www.askmoses.com/article.html?h=227&o=18731.
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