John 6:53-58

[francisdesales]

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You mean the bread literally turns into His flesh and the wine literally turns into His blood ?
Does it happen in all Catholic parishes today during Eucharist ?

LOL, confusing, isn't it? It should not be. Mondar made some good points on the previous. I do not understand this passage without reading down to verse 63.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Spirit gives life, the flesh profits nothing. Could Jesus be suggesting there is something more here than just physical flesh and blood? After all, He says His very words He speaks are spirit and life.

Vic,

Of course Jesus is suggesting something "MORE" than just physical flesh and blood. But the Divine Lover is holding nothing back - He gives His entire self - which INCLUDES flesh and blood (yes, the Son of God became man, correct, a man of flesh and blood, and He remains a man, united to the Divinity).

Why do so many people desire that Jesus hold back part of Himself???

Regards

 

[francisdesales]

35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

So then, in the context of chapter 6, how do we eat his flesh and drink his blood? Only by coming and only by believing!

Naturally, one must believe and be drawn by the Father to accept that the elements are the flesh and blood of Christ. Jesus makes it perfectly clear that the "flesh" or the "Bread of Life" is not "faith alone", but that faith is necessary to partake in that the Bread of Life, which is His flesh, as per John 6:52

Faith is the issue. Nothing more then faith, and faith alone is the issue.

Only if you stop at John 6:51 and ignore the rest, also ignoring the words at the Last Supper, "Eat, this is my body"...

When reading Scriptures, we do not stop reading in the middle of a discourse because it doesn't suit our personal tastes or beliefs...

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[Pard]

Does it really matter if we see the bread as His actual body and the wine as His actual blood?

So long as we partake in communion and do it for the right reasons, with a faithful heart, and understand what it means... does it really matter in the end?

Do you really think Jesus is gonna look at me and go, "Yup, Ian you did a good job sticking to the faith... but uh, I see here you didn't take communion as my actual body and blood... so well, it was nice talking to you."?

Or do you think Jesus will look at Francis and say, "You did a good job at keeping the faith, but you seem to have been confused about the communion thing. I guess this is good, then..."?

I highly doubt either. And the point of this is that twj was looking for some meaning in this passage to help him out. I think his need may go beyond the difference between actual blood and figurative blood.

 

[dadof10]

LOL, confusing, isn't it? It should not be.

Many things in Scripture are "confusing" until properly taught and understood. The Trinity comes to mind. That doesn't change their Truthfulness.

Mondar made some good points on the previous.

Mondar usually makes good points.

I do not understand this passage without reading down to verse 63.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

The Spirit gives life, the flesh profits nothing. Could Jesus be suggesting there is something more here than just physical flesh and blood? After all, He says His very words He speaks are spirit and life.

I interpret this verse as Jesus saying, in effect, to believe this "hard saying" you must see beyond the physical to the spiritual. It doesn't seem He is straightening out a misunderstanding, after all, some of His disciples left over this "hard saying".

 

[francisdesales]

Does it really matter if we see the bread as His actual body and the wine as His actual blood?

So long as we partake in communion and do it for the right reasons, with a faithful heart, and understand what it means... does it really matter in the end?

Do you really think Jesus is gonna look at me and go, "Yup, Ian you did a good job sticking to the faith... but uh, I see here you didn't take communion as my actual body and blood... so well, it was nice talking to you."?

Or do you think Jesus will look at Francis and say, "You did a good job at keeping the faith, but you seem to have been confused about the communion thing. I guess this is good, then..."?

I highly doubt either. And the point of this is that twj was looking for some meaning in this passage to help him out. I think his need may go beyond the difference between actual blood and figurative blood.

I suppose it comes down to believing whether God is concerned with truth or not or if God is a God of relevant truth. Satan is the father of lies, not the father of sins, so I'm thinking that knowing the truth is important to God in some way, especially when it is presented to us and we reject it anyways because of personal agendas.

Clearly, Christ says we must partake of His Body to have eternal life. We can twist the text to avoid the clear meaning (confirmed at the Last Supper) or be like children and just say "Yes, Lord, I don't understand, but you have the words of eternal life"...

Regards