Joseph

[Rollo Tamasi]

I've been thinking (again).

What ever happened to Joseph?

He had departed before Jesus started his ministry.

Why did he die?

Why didn't Jesus let him live so he could be part of his ministry?

Was it necessary that he die?

Did Jesus ever talk to him about it when the time came?

I could ask many more questions.

Just thinking.....

 

[Slider]

I am not aware of where the Bible says Joseph did die before Jesus began his ministry. Clearly people were aware of who Joseph was during Jesus' ministry because in Mat 13:55 they identified Jesus as "the capenter's son". That of course doesn't mean he was alive, only that the knowledge of him and his trade was still known to the people. That could've been because he was still alive, just recently deseased or Mary or one of Jesus' brothers and sisters talked about him. However, I don't recall the Bible documenting Joseph's death.

 

[for_his_glory]

Scripture is silent about what happen to Joseph as he is last mentioned in Luke Chapter 2. It is pursumed that he died right before Jesus started his ministry as only Mary is mentioned after that time in scripture.

 

[for_his_glory]

Got this from Got Questions.org:

The last time Joseph is mentioned in the Bible is when Jesus was twelve years old. Returning from a trip to Jerusalem, Jesus became separated from His parents, who eventually found Him in the temple in the midst of the teachers. Ironically, it was at that time—when Jesus announced that He had to be about His heavenly Father’s business—that all mention of his earthly father ceases (Luke 2:41-50).

Because Joseph is not mentioned again, most scholars assume he died sometime before Jesus began His public ministry. By the time we get to the wedding at Cana (John 2), Joseph is conspicuously absent. We see Mary there, but no mention is made of Joseph. Perhaps a part of the reason why Jesus remained at home until He was 30 is that He had the ultimate responsibility for caring for the family.

The theory that Joseph had died by the time Jesus was an adult is given further credibility by the fact that Jesus, when He was on the cross, made arrangements for His mother to be cared for by the Apostle John (John 19:26-27). Joseph must have been dead by the time of the crucifixion, or Jesus would never have committed Mary to John. If Joseph were still alive, Jesus wouldn't say, "Now, Mother, I'm going to commit you to John." Joseph would have rightly responded, "Wait a minute, it is my responsibility to take care of her." Only a widow could have rightly been given into the care of someone outside the family.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Joseph-Jesus.html#ixzz2OTZf5DSX

 

[Sinthesis]

Jesus' right to the earthly throne of David came through His adopted father Joseph, thus while Joseph was still alive Jesus was not yet 'King of the Jews'.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

Jesus' right to the earthly throne of David came through His adopted father Joseph, thus while Joseph was still alive Jesus was not yet 'King of the Jews'.

The line was cut off at Jeconiah, at the time of the deportation to Babylon. Also, Jesus was not Joseph's biological son, so the line would not have passed through Joseph to Him anyway, thought it would appear to be so to those not familiar with the fact the throne could not longer be inherited through Jeconiah. However, Mary also was descended from David. His son Nathan was her ancestor (see Luke 3:31) and it was through her that Jesus could rightly inherit the throne as a Son of David. Remember, too, in the Jewish culture, identity as a Jew, that inheritance, is through the mother. He was doubly marked as the King of kings by this fact.

 

[tim-from-pa]

The line was cut off at Jeconiah, at the time of the deportation to Babylon. Also, Jesus was not Joseph's biological son, so the line would not have passed through Joseph to Him anyway, thought it would appear to be so to those not familiar with the fact the throne could not longer be inherited through Jeconiah. However, Mary also was descended from David. His son Nathan was her ancestor (see Luke 3:31) and it was through her that Jesus could rightly inherit the throne as a Son of David. Remember, too, in the Jewish culture, identity as a Jew, that inheritance, is through the mother. He was doubly marked as the King of kings by this fact.

I've been away last week visiting my parents in the Inverness Florida area, and it's times like this I don't come on the forum to reflect, but I'm back again and been posting the last few days.

Ah yes, the royal lineage. Yes Jeconiah is the last King reigning in Judah so that none of his blood offspring would reign any longer. There was a breach in the Pharez lineage prophesied in Genesis (and continued on in the Zarah lineage, but that's another story for another day tracing that line of ruling Kings over Israel) and Jesus (Yeshua) is known as the restorer of that breach.

The problem is, Yahweh promised a continual and ongoing throne in that lineage (de facto right), but then pronounced that curse thus seemingly nullifying it. What gives? The only way to remedy this without breaking the original promise was to have an adopted son (the way Jacob adopted Ephraim and Manasseh) in the rightful lineage, but not of the blood lineage of Jeconiah. In short, Solomon was Jesus' great, great, great .... uncle, and not a great, great, great grandfather. He came thru the alternate lineage of David's son Nathan, thereby both a blood descendent of King David and his legal heir took the throne, keeping Yahweh's promise to David, while bypassing the curse. Thus Jesus is King de jure until He comes again to claim the throne by right regardless of who is on it at that time. It reminds me of the master who took that journey and his estate was being taken care of by stewards.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

In short, Solomon was Jesus' great, great, great .... uncle, and not a great, great, great grandfather. He came thru the alternate lineage of David's son Nathan, thereby both a blood descendent of King David and his legal heir took the throne, keeping Yahweh's promise to David, while bypassing the curse. Thus Jesus is King de jure until He comes again to claim the throne by right regardless of who is on it at that time. It reminds me of the master who took that journey and his estate was being taken care of by stewards.

You are absolutely right, and I appreciate the gentle correction of that oversight. Thanks, Tim.

 

[tim-from-pa]

]You are absolutely right, and I appreciate the gentle correction of that oversight. Thanks, Tim.

I did not find anything wrong with what you stated about Jeconiah, and did not need a correction. I was just clarifying the details more. Besides my sundials and similar interests, both family and biblical genealogy is another thing I tinkered with for a few years, and like many people love the royal genealogy.

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

]You are absolutely right, and I appreciate the gentle correction of that oversight. Thanks, Tim.

I did not find anything wrong with what you stated about Jeconiah, and did not need a correction. I was just clarifying the details more. Besides my sundials and similar interests, both family and biblical genealogy is another thing I tinkered with for a few years, and like many people love the royal genealogy.

Well, I appreciate that, but I didn't get the "rest of the story" told as you did, and I thank you.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

The line was cut off at Jeconiah, at the time of the deportation to Babylon. Also, Jesus was not Joseph's biological son, so the line would not have passed through Joseph to Him anyway, thought it would appear to be so to those not familiar with the fact the throne could not longer be inherited through Jeconiah. However, Mary also was descended from David. His son Nathan was her ancestor (see Luke 3:31) and it was through her that Jesus could rightly inherit the throne as a Son of David. Remember, too, in the Jewish culture, identity as a Jew, that inheritance, is through the mother. He was doubly marked as the King of kings by this fact.

I've been away last week visiting my parents in the Inverness Florida area, and it's times like this I don't come on the forum to reflect, but I'm back again and been posting the last few days.

Ah yes, the royal lineage. Yes Jeconiah is the last King reigning in Judah so that none of his blood offspring would reign any longer. There was a breach in the Pharez lineage prophesied in Genesis (and continued on in the Zarah lineage, but that's another story for another day tracing that line of ruling Kings over Israel) and Jesus (Yeshua) is known as the restorer of that breach.

The problem is, Yahweh promised a continual and ongoing throne in that lineage (de facto right), but then pronounced that curse thus seemingly nullifying it. What gives? The only way to remedy this without breaking the original promise was to have an adopted son (the way Jacob adopted Ephraim and Manasseh) in the rightful lineage, but not of the blood lineage of Jeconiah. In short, Solomon was Jesus' great, great, great .... uncle, and not a great, great, great grandfather. He came thru the alternate lineage of David's son Nathan, thereby both a blood descendent of King David and his legal heir took the throne, keeping Yahweh's promise to David, while bypassing the curse. Thus Jesus is King de jure until He comes again to claim the throne by right regardless of who is on it at that time. It reminds me of the master who took that journey and his estate was being taken care of by stewards.

What?!

Did you forget?
You were in Inverness and you did not look me up?

 

[tim-from-pa]

What?!

Did you forget?
You were in Inverness and you did not look me up?

Oh, I mentioned I think twice before that I was going there in that area and nothing was said, so I did not know I was supposed to. I remember saying that Sonny's was one of my favorite places to eat, but I did not make it there this time. Instead, my brother and I went to pick up his TerraTrikes at Suncoast bike shop near the paved RR bed. They are neat and next time I'm in the area I and my wife will rent one.