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Jude
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Georges
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Jude the brother of James had a like mind as James....and the other Nazarenes.....that being, Paul may have been Balaamish, that is a true then a false prophet....Jesus also warns the messianic churches in Revelation against Balaam...
Balaam at first prophecied as God told him to, but then convinced the Israelites that it was ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols....sounds like Paul....
Jude goes hand in hand with Revelation.
Balaam at first prophecied as God told him to, but then convinced the Israelites that it was ok to eat meat sacrificed to idols....sounds like Paul....
Jude goes hand in hand with Revelation.
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I'm thinking it was written toward the end of Jude's Life to certain false teachers who had infiltrated the church with their heresy that God's grace gave Christians the freedom to commit sins and immoral acts. Jude's purpose was to expose the false teachers and licentiousness. To urge the church to contend for the faith and to encourage the church to eliminate those in their midst who continue to fall prey to the sin. That it began to be distributed to Judeo/Christians soon after the Fall of Jerusalem! The exact date would only vary some 15 years, not to big a gap! Between 66AD - 80.
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Georges
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JM said:
I don't know....I'm guessing before the death of James...anyway based on what Dopp had written...I think it goes hand in hand with the thread (anti-Paul) I started on the other apology forum.
I belong to a yahoo list on the end times and found this article interesting [just interesting, that's all].
I think it does.
The book of Revelation suggests that the history of the New Testament church in the period from the Apostolic era to the Second Advent will parallel the history of the Old Testament church in the period from the Exodus from Egypt to the First Advent. The earthly Jerusalem in the Apostolic era was the counterpart of Egypt for the Old Testament people of God. Accordingly, the Apostle John in the book of Revelation refers in Revelation 11:8 to the earthly Jerusalem of his day (i.e., where the “Lord was crucifiedâ€Â) as “Egyptâ€Â. Jerusalem was the early ‘capital’ of the Christian church (see Acts 1-2), but it was also the epicenter of Christian persecution, spearheaded by the Judaists. Jerusalem was the place Christ was crucified, various of the Apostles were imprisoned (including at various times Peter, John, and Paul), and Stephen and the Apostle James were martyred. Jerusalem was the base for sending Christian persecutors far and wide, even as Saul was sent to Damascus. The intense persecution in Jerusalem led to Christian poverty there, which is evidently why the Apostle Paul took up a collection from the Grecians for the church at Jerusalem. So it is easy to see the parallels between ancient Egypt in the time of Moses and earthly Jerusalem in the Apostolic era.
When John wrote the book of Revelation, the Apostolic church was still in its ‘Egypt’. The destruction of ‘two witnesses’ in earthly Jerusalem was yet a future event when John wrote his Apocalypse (Revelation 11:8), so we can infer that earthly Jerusalem was well intact when John wrote. From John’s vantage point at the time of writing the book of Revelation, he wrote: “the holy city shall they tread under foot†(Revelation 11:2). ‘Holy city’ in this passage has a dual reference to earthly Jerusalem as well as to the Christian church (the type and its anti-type), and the prophecy itself has dual fulfillment. In the sense that ‘the holy city’ refers to earthly Jerusalem, it is apparent then that when John wrote, the prophecy of Luke 21:24 (“…Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles…â€Â) had not yet been fulfilled. Hence the future tense shall in the statement “the holy city shall they tread under foot†(Revelation 11:2).
But when Jude wrote his book, the Christian church had evidently already made the ‘exodus’ from its ‘Egypt’. The exhortations of Jude are from the vantage point of a church which had left its ‘Egypt’, but was just at the beginning of its ‘wilderness’ wanderings, with all its attendant dangers. Thus we read in Jude 1:4-5: “…there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.†Jude is warning the Christians of his day not to repeat the same error made by so many in the wilderness generation, who “forty years long was I grieved with [this] generation, and said, It [is] a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways†(Psalm 95:10). Jude calls to mind the two historical examples John had employed in Revelation 11:8: Egypt and Sodom. So Jude writes in Jude 1:7: “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.â€Â
So Jude addresses a people of God which had left their ‘Egypt’ and were just embarking on an extended wilderness journey. Jude warned the people of the new dangers they would confront. The past victory did not mean they could rest on their spiritual laurels. They must watch and persevere. The abomination of desolation in 70 AD began a wilderness period that wou last 1260 “days†(i.e., years) [Rev 11:3, 12:14], and would not be consummated until 1290 “days†(i.e., years) later [Daniel 12:11], with the inception of the Protestant Reformation.
- Parnell McCarter
http://www.puritans.net
I think it does.
The book of Revelation suggests that the history of the New Testament church in the period from the Apostolic era to the Second Advent will parallel the history of the Old Testament church in the period from the Exodus from Egypt to the First Advent. The earthly Jerusalem in the Apostolic era was the counterpart of Egypt for the Old Testament people of God. Accordingly, the Apostle John in the book of Revelation refers in Revelation 11:8 to the earthly Jerusalem of his day (i.e., where the “Lord was crucifiedâ€Â) as “Egyptâ€Â. Jerusalem was the early ‘capital’ of the Christian church (see Acts 1-2), but it was also the epicenter of Christian persecution, spearheaded by the Judaists. Jerusalem was the place Christ was crucified, various of the Apostles were imprisoned (including at various times Peter, John, and Paul), and Stephen and the Apostle James were martyred. Jerusalem was the base for sending Christian persecutors far and wide, even as Saul was sent to Damascus. The intense persecution in Jerusalem led to Christian poverty there, which is evidently why the Apostle Paul took up a collection from the Grecians for the church at Jerusalem. So it is easy to see the parallels between ancient Egypt in the time of Moses and earthly Jerusalem in the Apostolic era.
When John wrote the book of Revelation, the Apostolic church was still in its ‘Egypt’. The destruction of ‘two witnesses’ in earthly Jerusalem was yet a future event when John wrote his Apocalypse (Revelation 11:8), so we can infer that earthly Jerusalem was well intact when John wrote. From John’s vantage point at the time of writing the book of Revelation, he wrote: “the holy city shall they tread under foot†(Revelation 11:2). ‘Holy city’ in this passage has a dual reference to earthly Jerusalem as well as to the Christian church (the type and its anti-type), and the prophecy itself has dual fulfillment. In the sense that ‘the holy city’ refers to earthly Jerusalem, it is apparent then that when John wrote, the prophecy of Luke 21:24 (“…Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles…â€Â) had not yet been fulfilled. Hence the future tense shall in the statement “the holy city shall they tread under foot†(Revelation 11:2).
But when Jude wrote his book, the Christian church had evidently already made the ‘exodus’ from its ‘Egypt’. The exhortations of Jude are from the vantage point of a church which had left its ‘Egypt’, but was just at the beginning of its ‘wilderness’ wanderings, with all its attendant dangers. Thus we read in Jude 1:4-5: “…there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.†Jude is warning the Christians of his day not to repeat the same error made by so many in the wilderness generation, who “forty years long was I grieved with [this] generation, and said, It [is] a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways†(Psalm 95:10). Jude calls to mind the two historical examples John had employed in Revelation 11:8: Egypt and Sodom. So Jude writes in Jude 1:7: “Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.â€Â
So Jude addresses a people of God which had left their ‘Egypt’ and were just embarking on an extended wilderness journey. Jude warned the people of the new dangers they would confront. The past victory did not mean they could rest on their spiritual laurels. They must watch and persevere. The abomination of desolation in 70 AD began a wilderness period that wou last 1260 “days†(i.e., years) [Rev 11:3, 12:14], and would not be consummated until 1290 “days†(i.e., years) later [Daniel 12:11], with the inception of the Protestant Reformation.
- Parnell McCarter
http://www.puritans.net