Justification for sinning

[Classik]

Could there be any justification for sinning?

After close interactions with some friends they told me why they do what they do: "I have got no choice - no one to help".

Few examples: stealing to make money or prostituting about to make money and survive.

I at times remained speechless and could only say, that is not the right way.

 

[Obadiah]

If it could be justified, was it really a sin in the first place? (I'm referring to justified before God, not before other people since it is God who decided what is sin, not people.)

 

[Kathi]

We are condemned due to the inherited,imputed and personal sin.It is all bad.The only penalty for sin is death Romans 6:23.Not only eternal death but physical death Revelation 20:11-15.Jesus was crucified on the cross.By faith in Jesus Christ as our Savior "we have redemption through His blood,the forgivness of sin according to the riches of His grace Ephesians 1:7.

 

[Kathi]

What is sin nature?

 

[Classik]

If it could be justified, was it really a sin in the first place? (I'm referring to justified before God, not before other people since it is God who decided what is sin, not people.)

I hope you understood my use of justification in the thread title?

 

[Classik]

What is sin nature?

What is it?

 

[Obadiah]

I hope you understood my use of justification in the thread title?

Well, I THINK I did...

 

[Classik]

Well, I THINK I did...

Ok. I didn't say God justifies such acts of stealing and prostitution for money making.

I have actually tried to talk to some people about what they do. To them what they are doing is okay for them - if they are ever going to survive.

 

[Kathi]

What is it?

There is a spiritual and a moral side to everyone that is distinct from their physical body.The Bible says it is this component of a person who has inherited "sin nature.It produces everything from white lies to atrocities such as horrible crimes.

 

[Kathi]

Ok. I didn't say God justifies such acts of stealing and prostitution for money making.

I have actually tried to talk to some people about what they do. To them what they are doing is okay for them - if they are ever going to survive.

Rebellion.People who are believers in Christ sin and ask forgivness and try not to do that again.People who are not believers simply do not care.They do what they want to do.Rebellion and pride is what got Lucifer kicked out of heaven.

 

[Obadiah]

Ok. I didn't say God justifies such acts of stealing and prostitution for money making...

Right, I never thought you said this at all. I agree with you. My point was that if something someone is doing is an actual sin in God's eyes, there is no way they can justify it before God (short of just being forgiven, of course.) It doesn't matter how good their own "justifications" sound to other people, or whether or not other people accept their justification as being valid. When someone is trying to justify what you think is a sin, their "justifications" don't mean a thing to God if the act was indeed an actual sin.

If it's possible to justify the act before God (without the need for Christ's death to accomplish this), then whatever it was couldn't have been a sin in the first place. What I'm referring to here aren't the acts that God has clearly told us are sins. I'm referring to the things that some people say are sins but scripture really doesn't tell us they are sins without a lot of imperfect human speculation. A lot of these kind of acts have more to do with the person's private reasons and attitudes behind what they did as to whether or not it was sinful before God. Those private, true reasons can only be truly known by God. We should not be judging them, and they shouldn't feel a constant need to justify themselves to us.

 

[Deborah13]

Rebellion.People who are believers in Christ sin and ask forgivness and try not to do that again.People who are not believers simply do not care.They do what they want to do.Rebellion and pride is what got Lucifer kicked out of heaven.

I know non-believers who live very moral life styles and have a conscious that causes them to know when they have been unfair to someone else and to apologize for what they have done. They are generous and care very much about others.
Many people, some more than others, choose to ignore their conscious when it is to their advantage.

 

[Willie T]

I know non-believers who live very moral life styles and have a conscious that causes them to know when they have been unfair to someone else and to apologize for what they have done. They are generous and care very much about others.
Many people, some more than others, choose to ignore their conscious when it is to their advantage.

Deb, this is something many of us shamefully miss. We work hard at trying to justify the harboring of an "Us against Them" attitude about unbelievers......... when that is exactly who Jesus came to seek out and bring home into His family.

You even hear Christians on these forums saying that people who believe differently than they might, are blatant lying whore-mongers, wallowing drunk in a ditch somewhere.

 

[Gary]

I know non-believers who live very moral life styles and have a conscious that causes them to know when they have been unfair to someone else and to apologize for what they have done. They are generous and care very much about others.
Many people, some more than others, choose to ignore their conscious when it is to their advantage.

Romans 2
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves,
15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

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[Kathi]

I know many who say "of course I am going to heaven I am a good person".

 

[Willie T]

I know many who say "of course I am going to heaven I am a good person".

And now you know at least one more who says, "Of course, I'm in the Kingdom of God, but I ain't all that great a person."

 

[Kathi]

And now you know at least one more who says, "Of course, I'm in the Kingdom of God, but I ain't all that great a person."

I can say the I am a child of God and I am not perfect until I get to heaven.