Kingdom101

[warfrog]

Well thanks for trying Warfrog but i get it less now.

I'll try to talk you you about what you get less, im not certian what exactly you get less.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

Hitch, you are the one saying Revelations happened in 70 A.D, the entirety of Revelations is about the Word of God which contains the prophecy regarding, seals, the trumpets the bowls, things that happen between them, the beast's rule, deception of the world (Those not wirtten in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain for the foundation of the world) The return of Christ when He cast the beast and false prophet into the fire, the binding of satan, the resurrection of the saints at His coming, the thousand years of the saints and the Lord Jesus Christ, the events at the expiration of the thousand years, the casting of Satan into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are, the final judgement of the dead, Death being the last cast into the fire and then the new heaven and the new earth, New Jerusalem and God dwelling with Christ and His forever and ever. Amen.

First off get something straight THERE IS NO BOOK OF CANON CALLED REVELATIONS, Second I didnt say the New Jerusalem was here the writer of Hebrews did and I quoted the passage its 12;22 read if your self

(That is just smal recap of the prophecy, of course for the full prophecy you have Revelations in the scriptures)

So i gave you scripture saying Daniel is told he will sleep but be raised to His inheritance on the last day, which is the day of the Lord when all the saints are gathered to Him, sleeping and those that remain, which is His second coming in which He goes to war againts the beast and the false prophet which afterwards we are told, "They shall live and reign with Christ for a thousand years"
Which is the giving of the inheritance Daniel was spoken to regarding what he would recieve and also the hope of the saints, when He gathers us to Him we shall never be seperated from Him.

Ok were back to you need to account for the resurrection at the last day when you want to add a thousand years afterword. I admitted mistaking what WARHORSE said ,now ,above, you have said the same thing so quit dodging and deal with it

The sacrifice has not stopped, I am a sacrifice because He was given for me, that in believing in Him i will have everlasting life, and there is nothing stopping anyone else from that, the mark will stop everyone who takes it from the sacrifice, they will have no part in Him.

OK I'll buy that you did not realize I was talking about the animal sacirfices of ancient judaism as per the passage in Daniel

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Any person who is called in Him is a sacrifice, because His sacrifice is in them, there have been many sacrifices and there will be more sacrifices.


Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Silly word games dont interest me.

 

[warfrog]

First off get something straight THERE IS NO BOOK OF CANON CALLED REVELATIONS, Second I didnt say the New Jerusalem was here the writer of Hebrews did and I quoted the passage its 12;22 read if your self Ok were back to you need to account for the resurrection at the last day when you want to add a thousand years afterword. I admitted mistaking what WARHORSE said ,now ,above, you have said the same thing so quit dodging and deal with it OK I'll buy that you are too stupid to realize I was talking about the animal sacirfices of ancient judaism as per the passage in Daniel Silly word games dont interest me.

Greetings,

I read Hebrews, it speaks nothing of New Jerusalem being now as in the "here" you have typed but in fact speaks of its inheritance through Him, because all who are His will inherit it.
Revelations tells us exactly when New Jerusalem is presented, and that is after the thousand years and after the judgement of the dead, Death being the last who is given to the second death, after the creation of a new heaven and new earth, then it is presented and then God dwells with us and Christ forever and ever. Amen.

Revelations is prophecy, im not going to get into canon issues with you, i believe God has assembled the scriptures according to His will.
I read the NKJV and God desires that i also read it, simple as that.

I have accounted the meaning of the last day, you reject it, when we are gathered into Him it is the last day, we will never be seperated from Him and are inheriters of the new heaven and new earth, New Jerusalem after Death is destroyed, which happens after the thousand years and a short time.
Then we are with God and the Lord Jesus Christ forever and ever. Amen.

I am not adding a thousand years, God is and you reject it.
Read from Revelation 20:4-11
This is the resurrection of the saints at His coming, it even speaks that the dead in Him will live and reign with Him for a thousand years, then it speaks of the events following the thousand years, the short time after satan is released following the thousand years.

Daniel wasnt speaking of animal sacrifices neither was I because i was speaking of what Daniel was speaking, I will not lie about it, far be it from me, so how can I know you were? Daniel regarding sacrifice was regarding the human body, which is the temple of God, when you abide in Christ and He abides in you, God is in you, you are His temple.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

Greetings,

I read Hebrews, it speaks nothing of New Jerusalem being now as in the "here" you have typed but in fact speaks of its inheritance through Him, because all who are His will inherit it

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,





I dont give rip whether you believe it or not but dont misrepresent clear text.

 

[warfrog]

Greetings,

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,





I dont give rip whether you believe it or not but dont misrepresent clear text.

Those scriputres are speaking about the inheritance which is further confirmed thorugh His word in prophecy regarding the timing of the reception of the New Jerusalem.

Esau is spoken of just before in relation to giving up the inheritance.

Then we are spoken of the inheritance in which you have given in scripture.

Following that we are assured that the kingdom cannot be taken from His, it cannot be shaken.

New Jerusalem is our inheritance through the Lord Jesus Christ, when He comes and gathers His together to Him we will forever be with the Lord and shall be in the new heaven and new earth, New Jerusalem with God and Christ, after the thousand years and a short time.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

 

[warfrog]

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Yep when you take the discussion in a whole it is still speaking of the inheritance we will recieve through Him Hitch.

New Jerusalem is presented after Death is destroyed, after all judgement is made, when Father creates a new heaven and earth, He presents New Jerusalem, and dwells with us.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

Yep when you take the discussion in a whole it is still speaking of the inheritance we will recieve through Him Hitch.

New Jerusalem is presented after Death is destroyed, after all judgement is made, when Father creates a new heaven and earth, He presents New Jerusalem, and dwells with us.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


You are not telling the truth you have set your self above scripture .

 

[warfrog]

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


You are not telling the truth you have set your self above scripture .

I am speaking truth.
You reject truth.

I am nothing regarding scripture, i am but a man who hears Him by the grace of God.
Anything i do regarding Him i do not do of my own accord but it is Him who does His will in me.

Be glory and praise and worship to the Lord God Almighty and to the Lamb of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

I am speaking truth.
You reject truth.

I am nothing regarding scripture, i am but a man who hears Him by the grace of God.
Anything i do regarding Him i do not do of my own accord but it is Him who does His will in me.

Be glory and praise and worship to the Lord God Almighty and to the Lamb of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

As Jesus said ; 'It is written '


22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


But Frog claims a better revelation;

New Jerusalem is presented after Death is destroyed, after all judgement is made, when Father creates a new heaven and earth, He presents New Jerusalem, and dwells with us.


You made your choice Frog ,too bad.

What kind of mind says God is not dwelling in the 'city of God? but will be someday?:biglol

 

[Stormcrow]

you should understand what the defiling of the sanctuary fortress; the taking of the daily sacrifices and the abomination of desolation standing where is ought not is.

I do. None of those things have anything at all to do with what I wrote, since they were all fulfilled in 167 BC with the coming of Antiochus IV Epiphanes against Jerusalem.

The passages I cited had nothing to do with this.

the defiling of the sanctuary fortress is the mark on the body, the taking of the daily sacrifice is taking God away from the temple, that is, if you have the mark God will not enter you, you are condemned, all who take the mark deny God.
The abomination of desolation is the beast claiming himself as God and those who take his mark worship him as God, he is standing in the place of God claiming himself as God, in all mens hearts not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb, he is thier God and is an abomination of desolation, standing where it ought not.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days.

I'm sorry, but I don't think I've ever seen a more convoluted attempt to try and make a bunch of out-of-context verses fit a particular doctrine than this.

Wow.

 

[warfrog]

As Jesus said ; 'It is written '


22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


But Frog claims a better revelation;

New Jerusalem is presented after Death is destroyed, after all judgement is made, when Father creates a new heaven and earth, He presents New Jerusalem, and dwells with us.


You made your choice Frog ,too bad.

What kind of mind says God is not dwelling in the 'city of God? but will be someday?:biglol

You simply reject what im saying then claim to understand what im saying when you dont, then you feed off of that, which is your choice.

The verses you have put up are speaking about the inheritance.
Read the all the verses, the entire dialogue from before those verse and after are all speaking about inheritance, the birthright's.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[warfrog]

I do. None of those things have anything at all to do with what I wrote, since they were all fulfilled in 167 BC with the coming of Antiochus IV Epiphanes against Jerusalem.

The passages I cited had nothing to do with this.

I'm sorry, but I don't think I've ever seen a more convoluted attempt to try and make a bunch of out-of-context verses fit a particular doctrine than this.

Wow.

Yeah, out of context, yet all of those passage regarding the taking of the daily sacrifice and the abomination of desolation all lead up to the very last verses in which Daniel is spoken directly telling him, dont worry, you will sleep Daniel but shall awaken in the last days to your inheritance, all of that focus is on the little horn, which in context with all other scripture regarding the man of lawlessness and the beast relate and connect.

But it happened in 167 A.D before Christ even came and rose, before He even promised He would return again directly while He ministered on foot on earth.
Before the ressurections were even discussed within the body of Christ, in which Daniel will be a part of.

Before you cite your opinion and declare others writing scripture out of context i suggest you pray deeply for that plank in your eye to be removed, while you do so why dont you start putting all the scripture in relation to each other together, i pray you will see the connection, that scripture confirms scripture.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

You simply reject what im saying then claim to understand what im saying when you dont, then you feed off of that, which is your choice.

I do my best to reject anything contrary to scripture, and I'll keep doing so

The verses you have put up are speaking about the inheritance.
Read the all the verses, the entire dialogue from before those verse and after are all speaking about inheritance, the birthright's.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

What part of 'ye are come' cant you grasp?

 

[warfrog]

I do my best to reject anything contrary to scripture, and I'll keep doing so
What part of 'ye are come' cant you grasp?

I dont reject it, you do.
It speaks of our inheritance, our birthright through Christ, ive already pointed that out im quite sure 3 times now.
What you cant grasp is that we are in the kingdom through Christ because He is in His, and will inherit the kingdom with Christ when we are resurrected in Him, ive shown you all kinds of scripture regarding it but you reject it, then you claim you reject anything contrary to scripture, so therefore i see no point in even further discussing scripture with you because its pointless according to your own words.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Stormcrow]

but shall awaken in the last days to your inheritance

There are those two words again. "Last days" of what?

And don't presume because Daniel uses the term "little horn" it refers to anything mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

The only way you can support your doctrine is to cherry pick selected verses from all over the Bible and throw context to the wind.

 

[warfrog]

There are those two words again. "Last days" of what?

And don't presume because Daniel uses the term "little horn" it refers to anything mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

The only way you can support your doctrine is to cherry pick selected verses from all over the Bible and throw context to the wind.

Greetings,

According to you that is how you see the little horn, according to scriptures in dealing with the little horn it speaks of the same events as in revelation and the man of lawlessness.
There is alot of interpretation given Daniel regarding the little horn, his role and his destruction and they all confirm the man of lawlessness role and destruction and the beasts role and destruction.

Look through the interpretations,the word of God, you will see all 3 have the exact same conclusion.
They all are rulers, they all exalt themselves above God, and they are all destroyed at the return of Christ. The saints possess the kingdom at the end of all 3 accounts of the destruction of the little horn/man of lawlessness/beast.
All 3 are given thier power not of thier own, the man of lawlessness and the beast accounts expand on this further, telling us where thier power comes from (Satan)
The little horns/beast in Daniels accounts, destruction is mentioned 3 times.

The little horn and the beast of Revelation both persecute the saints. They are both mentioned to be given to the flame/ the lake of fire in thier destruction at the coming of the Lord.

Even in Daniel, the account of the dead is given as it is in Revelation:

"I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking, I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. As for the rest of the beast, they had thier lives prolonged for a season and a time"

Revelation account:

"But the rest did not live again until the thousand years were finished"

And we know according to Revelation at the end of the thousand years Satan must be released for a short while and when God deals with him and those he decieves, we are shown the great white throne judgement, which is the end of the lives of those who have been prolonged for a season and a time, because they will be judged.

The rest of the beast are those who are in the sea, Death and Hades in the great white throne judgement scriptures. And thier lives will be prolonged for a season and a time when the little horn, the beast is destroyed.

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

I dont reject it, you do.
It speaks of our inheritance, our birthright through Christ, ive already pointed that out im quite sure 3 times now.

And each time you were contrary to the scriptures

What you cant grasp is that we are in the kingdom through Christ because He is in His, and will inherit the kingdom with Christ when we are resurrected in Him, ive shown you all kinds of scripture regarding it but you reject it, then you claim you reject anything contrary to scripture, so therefore i see no point in even further discussing scripture with you because its pointless according to your own words.

I hope you are a man of your word,

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[warfrog]

And each time you were contrary to the scriptures.
I hope you are a man of your word,

Then it is done, if that is as you ask of me then so shall it be, do not reply to my postings and i shall not reply to yours, let this be a covenant between you and I, i will respond to others postings but i shall not reply to yours, and you shall not reply to mine.

Is this what you wish? if so, say so, and it shall be done until you decide that you no longer desire to not speak scriptures with me, this is how we will do it.

Do we agree?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Hitch]

Then it is done, if that is as you ask of me then so shall it be, do not reply to my postings and i shall not reply to yours, let this be a covenant between you and I, i will respond to others postings but i shall not reply to yours, and you shall not reply to mine.

Is this what you wish? if so, say so, and it shall be done until you decide that you no longer desire to not speak scriptures with me, this is how we will do it.

Do we agree?

Grace to you, peace from God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I'
ll post what ever I want and you keep your word.