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Let us make man in our image - men are without excuse

PeterJens

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Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Gen 1:26-27
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Rom 1:20
Each of you must respect his mother and father
Lev 19:3

When you look at wolves and their ability to adopt into their group while wild dogs in Africa only accept members of their family, a lot of behaviour is pre-programmed.

As babies we are programmed to love our parents. You can see how strong this is in adopted children seeking out their parents, like they are lost individuals who need to have this connection. As a father I observed this immediate bonding, one of my daughters so strongly before they could speak would try and stop me showing affection to my wife. It was not something they chose, it was a drive built into them.

In a discussion with an atheist about objective and subjective morality, I took the position as nothing is provable in the ultimate sense nothing is objective except by faith and belief. A very evangelical position was that believing in God was the foundation of morality and fear of judgement and guilt generated by knowing Gods revelation. The outworking of this is a lack of belief in God would make one immoral and corrupt and able to do anything. It struck me this is clearly wrong. Most of society does not really know theology or faith or a moral set of rules, but rather are born into a social context and work within this. Their behaviour is molded by the groups they associate with, and its resulting guilt or bad behaviour.

I concluded that though morality is subjective philosophically, it is hard wired into us as humans, social beings. Freuds ideas about ego, super ego I think are wrong, it is how we are wired to work as social creatures. Gods warning about sin, is sin destroys our wiring and causing internal conflicts that will make us collapse. So when an atheist wants to avoid guilt through their faith, ie rejecting a God of judgement, they are trying to resolve the wrong problem. They need to make peace with their sin and resolve their inner debt and guilt, and then they will find what they need. God is the clear source of this resolution.

This also explains why North Korea went so badly wrong, by rejecting christianity and believing you can construct a social order based on politics, which works against the moral programming of their society, creates an unbelievably cruel and dysfunctional group that will never resolve.

Jordan Peterson interestingly has concluded looking at things psychologically people work better living like God exists and morality works, which underpins our social programming and why Jesus is the truth and the key to life itself. God bless you
 
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
Gen 1:26-27
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Rom 1:20
Each of you must respect his mother and father
Lev 19:3

When you look at wolves and their ability to adopt into their group while wild dogs in Africa only accept members of their family, a lot of behaviour is pre-programmed.

As babies we are programmed to love our parents. You can see how strong this is in adopted children seeking out their parents, like they are lost individuals who need to have this connection. As a father I observed this immediate bonding, one of my daughters so strongly before they could speak would try and stop me showing affection to my wife. It was not something they chose, it was a drive built into them.

In a discussion with an atheist about objective and subjective morality, I took the position as nothing is provable in the ultimate sense nothing is objective except by faith and belief. A very evangelical position was that believing in God was the foundation of morality and fear of judgement and guilt generated by knowing Gods revelation. The outworking of this is a lack of belief in God would make one immoral and corrupt and able to do anything. It struck me this is clearly wrong. Most of society does not really know theology or faith or a moral set of rules, but rather are born into a social context and work within this. Their behaviour is molded by the groups they associate with, and its resulting guilt or bad behaviour.

I concluded that though morality is subjective philosophically, it is hard wired into us as humans, social beings. Freuds ideas about ego, super ego I think are wrong, it is how we are wired to work as social creatures. Gods warning about sin, is sin destroys our wiring and causing internal conflicts that will make us collapse. So when an atheist wants to avoid guilt through their faith, ie rejecting a God of judgement, they are trying to resolve the wrong problem. They need to make peace with their sin and resolve their inner debt and guilt, and then they will find what they need. God is the clear source of this resolution.

This also explains why North Korea went so badly wrong, by rejecting christianity and believing you can construct a social order based on politics, which works against the moral programming of their society, creates an unbelievably cruel and dysfunctional group that will never resolve.

Jordan Peterson interestingly has concluded looking at things psychologically people work better living like God exists and morality works, which underpins our social programming and why Jesus is the truth and the key to life itself. God bless you
Sadly much of the west thinks we can ignore the reality .
 
Richard Dawkins and others argue for genetic purity

I agree that evolutionists often hold to an aspiration of perfection in the human condition through physical means.
Why this is so wrong, is the difference between individual benefit and social benefit is hard to see or measure. The truth is the evolutionists are trying to break what they see as a moral framework of boundaries which they want to ignore.

What is stupid, is even in their own theories morality and care for ones offspring and their success improves the likely hood of ones genes being passed on. So many animals are faithful, to a degree, to a lifelong partner, and share care for their families. To put it more crudely, certain monkeys use sex to keep the females happy, and are built to be able to do this. Humans are not, where sexual emphasis is less prominent, but bonding rituals very complex and long drawn out.

As sensitivity and care, morality and social bonding is highly sought after by people, it would be obvious this is a critical survival strategy. When you look at how humans will be true to a leader to their deaths, the power of the group is more important than the individual success. We desire deeply to belong, to be respected and appreciated, anything that detracts from the value of this detracts from the groups survival. This suggests a purely nihilistic outlook and breaking bonds of loyalty to ones group and family structure is actually doomed to failure and against the biology of our programming.

Genetic purity in terms of success will be more like the average individual of any large group, because they carry the genes forward from generation to generation no matter what the leaders or lunatic dictators do or try to do. If you look at history, people, hunted and farmed, whether at war or peace, which came in waves, the daily struggle went on. Success in the daily struggle is what ultimately mattered, not the fringe one offs that come and go.

God bless you
 
Sexual morality

I find it odd that people have been dumb enough to think sexuality can be liberated. Sexuality has one purpose, to create children and create a survivable environment for them to grow up in. With our sophistication it is possible to mix up behaviours but at great disease and accidental child creation cost. When you have a family, you know how destructive this can be, to ones you love. So obviously if you love them you want to protect and build structures that put boundaries around such behaviour.

A classic story of the failure of sexual morality is King David. A one night fling with Bathsheba, and almost the end of his Kingship. The lesson of life is balancing these deep impulses and managing interaction in the larger scale so such catastrophic events do not happen and life is fruitful and blessed.

I watched a tv program following an experiment on clothing and boundaries of touch. The idea was these were socially created limits of little value. It was so dumb. Clothing is to enable social interaction without sexual overtones, so we can interact but not miss-understand in a crude inappropriate way. Once you grow up and learn this is complex and subtle, and takes time for people to learn, you understand why clothing is a blessing and a really freeing experience of restraint and care, not repression or control. The naivety is those who wish to seduce and abuse others, talk about removing all boundaries, and ignoring limits or restraint, so they can let their consuming passions run riot, and abuse whoever gets within their orbit. Epstein is one clear example of such a man consumed with corrupting behaviour who was prepared to ignore the damage he did to others.

If you ever follow the life stories of those involved in the porn industry, it is largely destructive to them and their own identity, because they are sacrificing their own gifting of creating the next generation for money and desire of others. You cannot survive very long doing this to oneself. Unfortunately their are always those who get a buzz out of sexual abuse, and they are used as the defence that it is not harmful or wrong, just prudes who cannot face the truth.
The reality is as any kid who has not got involved will tell you, it is just yukey and horrible. In some ways this is our life burden, but with a loved individual, we can help each other with our restraint and coping.

God bless you
 
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
The beauty of God, to love us and expect us to share His identity. Its a greater inspired teaching than worldly gods. No other God wants the personally have relationships with people as friends and family. All other gods want slaves and at best followers. Jesus wants friends and family.
 
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