Liberal vs. Conservative Christianity.... HUH?

[Relic]

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Liberal-Christianity... Isn't that an oxymoron? :-?

If the truth in God's Word is absolute, then how can Liberal minded Christians be in line with it, and still be in absolute truth of the Word of God?

What is a Liberal Christian, really?


According to Wikipedia There are so many definitions to being a Liberal Christian. Wikipedia even states there is difficulty in determining exactly what Liberal Christianity is all about:

"Diversity of opinion is a defining characteristic of Liberal Christianity. It is this particular aspect of Liberal Christianity that makes it so hard to define in a absolute sense." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christian


The more I read about Liberal Christianity on the wikipedia link, the more I get confused as to what Liberal Christianity really is, and the more it amazes me as to how anyone can adhere to it's standard and ethics.

I have never seen any good ever come out of liberal-minded thinking. Liberal minded thinking promotes sin, it sways away from absolute truth and the consequences of actions. It never looks to the truth of consequences, but rather makes up it's own result based on supposition of outcome. By ignoring the truth of how history repeats itself and only causes dire consequences, i.e, pro-abortion/choice, and pro-homo and pro- ____, other issues that liberals support that are far too many to mention here , liberal minded people contradict the absolute truth of God's Holy Word. So how can anyone adhere to it? :o

I just don't understand how anyone can be anything other than conservative. If you can explain to me how they can, please do post some reasons that are in line with scripture.

Thanks.

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[Soma-Sight]

I just don't understand how anyone can be anything other than conservative. If you can explain to me how they can, please do post some reasons that are in line with scripture.

I guess the first and foremost response to your dilema is the fact that God is a liberal and all around "groovy" guy...

Jesus Himself is a prime example of progressive thinking.

This can be seen time and time again in His rhetoric with the Pharisee's or "Holy Men" that used a guise of "conservative" semantical psychobable to confuse the masses from realizing the Truth that is inherant in all men regardles of "beliefs".

We see that the best friends of Christ Himself were the liberals of His day.....

Matthew 9:10 (New International Version)

10While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples.



Your topic and general promotion of conservative elitism is typical of the "hiveminded Christians" today.

If you cant define it through the rhetoric of Rush "pill popper" Limbau and Fox "biased" news than it has to be evil and of the devil.....

Liberalism is congruent with a Biblical worldview as it is once again just another semantical term that means NOTHING in real life....

The two most liberal older people I have ever known portray a MUCH more mature Christlike attitude than other "conservative" stuck up "fill in the blanks" dishonest people I have had the dipleasure of dealing with...



The Truth of the matter is.... Christ came for the liberals.... His best buddies are the lesbians, the gays, the stoners, the whores, and the poor....

He didnt come to listen to self righteous "conservatives" or "liberals" that think they are so much better than any other....

 

[Soma-Sight]

By the way I voted "other" as these blanket terms are meaningless....

I mean come on... the biggest liberal in office right now is GEORGE BUSH!!

He is spending like a drunken sailor, leaves the southern border open to illegals, grants illegals driver's licenses when any good "conservative" would ship them home, and wages war like a panny waste.... I mean, if General Patton was the President those ragheads would be obliterated by now....

 

[Rick W]

Jesus Himself is a prime example of progressive thinking.

This can be seen time and time again in His rhetoric with the Pharisee's or "Holy Men" that used a guise of "conservative" semantical psychobable to confuse the masses from realizing the Truth that is inherant in all men regardles of "beliefs".

lol

Jesus was about as conservative as they come. How many times do you think he quoted the Old Testament to the chagrin of the Pharisees and even Satan himself? It was the liberal Pharisees that twisted The Law for their own purposes and Jesus reminded them time and time again to get back to the basics and consider what was written for within the Old Testament was the prophesies of Christ's coming. The Pharasees didn't want to believe what they studied for if they had they would have known Him to be who Jesus said He was, the Messiah.

 

[Soma-Sight]

lol

Jesus was about as conservative as they come. How many times do you think he quoted the Old Testament to the chagrin of the Pharisees and even Satan himself? It was the liberal Pharisees that twisted The Law for their own purposes and Jesus reminded them time and time again to get back to the basics and consider what was written for within the Old Testament was the prophesies of Christ's coming. The Pharasees didn't want to believe what they studied for if they had they would have known Him to be who Jesus said He was, the Messiah.

If you choose to view Christ as a repressive, fear inducing, disciplinary principle figure than that is your right.

But looking at the conceptualized images we have in the Church today we find that...

1. He has long hair like a Berkeley Professor..
2. He wears sandals like a hang loose liberal....
3. He preached non violoence like a good red diaper doper baby...
4. We see a robe like any good hippy has in their repertoire...

But once again all our ill concieved anthropomorphized opinions of God are false while we are out of the presence of the intrinsic Truth that is transcendent...

 

[Bryan]

As much as Biblical values are conservative ideals, it still remains that Jesus was very much a socialist.

 

[Rick W]

I dressed just as you described and talked as you say. But I wasn't Jesus by any stretch of the word.
Jesus cared, but the Pharisees had no clue what He was saying to them. Here He is, God incarnate, fulfilling the prophesies of the Old Testament right before their eyes. They couldn't deal with that since their status and honor among men was being threatened.
No, it was the Pharisees who were liberal with the Word of God, or more accurately, taking liberty with the testimony of God about His Son. Jesus kept referring to the Old Testament, the disciples did so also. It was their purpose to preach the Messiah had come as prophesied in the OT. They kept going back to the OT, over and over again.

 

[Soma-Sight]

As much as Biblical values are conservative ideals, it still remains that Jesus was very much a socialist.

Agreed....

 

[Lyric's Dad]

LIBERAL CHRISTIANITY= OXYMORON or is that oxymoronic???

 

[Rick W]

Well, there is what's called "division" within the church what with the issues that have come up in the past few years. The "liberal christian" wants to adhere to the worldly views molding the bible to fit. There are other religions calling themselves christian that have actually edited the bible as they see fit to suit their beliefs. "Well, God really meant this or that and other scripture proves it" so they make the necessary changes. The Jehovah Witnesses and the Mormons have been known to do just that. There's a version of the bible edited by Joseph Smith himself. Other "modern day" religions use a "pick and chose" approach to give their beliefs a biblical tone. "Just like christianity but better." or something that is more pleasing to "modern day thinking", a new and improved version that's a bit more palable.

 

[Relic]

I guess the first and foremost response to your dilema is the fact that God is a liberal and all around "groovy" guy...

Jesus Himself is a prime example of progressive thinking.

We see that the best friends of Christ Himself were the liberals of His day.....

Matthew 9:10 (New International Version)

10While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew's house, many tax collectors and "sinners" came and ate with him and his disciples.

The Truth of the matter is.... Christ came for the liberals.... His best buddies are the lesbians, the gays, the stoners, the whores, and the poor....

He didnt come to listen to self righteous "conservatives" or "liberals" that think they are so much better than any other....

You forgot the rest of the scripture that goes along with Matthew 9:10 and those verse are Matthew 9:11-13 which shows that Jesus put the Pharisees in their place for bickering against what he was doing with such people and eating with them.

Matthew 9:10-13 (King James Version)
10And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
11And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
12But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
13But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


Jesus may have been in the company of sinners BUT He knew they were sick with sin and needed to come to repentance! Jesus called them to repentance. That means they are to GO AND SIN NO MORE. Therefore, they(his deciples) were then baptised and washed clean of their sins and received the HOLY Spirit and then WALKED WITH GOD IN CHRIST JESUS.

If you think Jesus put up with sinners that were not repentant you are wrong. Jesus is conservative in all respects. He did not tolerate sin but called sinners to repentance. Jesus rebuked satan and anyone that allowed satan to work or speak through them. Even the pharisees who allowed Satan to pervert the law to suite their own needs.

Breaking the Sabbath and eating with sinners is no comparison of what the sins of the "MODERN DAY" LIBERALS of today are promoting.

Jesus says he came to call the sick to REPENTANCE and to SIN NO MORE. Doesn't sound liberal to me.



YOU DARE COMPARE JESUS TO HIPPIES? :o
I take it you are too young to have even been a hippie. :-?

If you compare Jesus to some pot smoking liberal minded hippies who fornicate with anybody and did dope, and partied to the beat of wild promiscuous music in which they sing about drugs and sex, You then blasphemy to the name of the Lord.

NO, JESUS WAS NOT A LIBERAL HIPPIE EITHER. He didn't fornicate and party and do drugs like the hippies did. You are comparing HIM to a bunch of sinners and fornicators. :-? I was a hippie and I am not proud of it. I had fun and thought I was cool, and was lost in my backsliding ways!
The character of most hippies was that of sex drugs and rock and roll. NOT JESUS LIKE, AT ALL!

The Jesus freaks, and some of the Flower Child's were more into recruiting for Jesus, not the hippies. Some Flower child people were no better than the hippies. So there characters were indistinguishable in general sense. There was no mistaking the hippies! They were not into repentance of their sins. Jesus calls the sick to repentance, to go and sin no more!



Jesus IS NOT LIBERAL as is the liberal-Christians of today!
Don't confuse the difference of Jesus freeing us from keeping the Sabbath and eating with sinners. Jesus came to save us from sin not to promote it, as does the liberal of today.


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[Rick W]

YOU DARE COMPARE JESUS TO HIPPIES? :o
I take it you are too young to have even been a hippie. :-?

If you compare Jesus to some pot smoking liberal minded hippies who fornicate with anybody and did dope, and partied to the beat of wild promiscuous music in which they sing about drugs and sex, You then blasphemy to the name of the Lord.

LOL!!
Been there, done that. Missed Woodstock though.
Make love not war.
Peace.
lol
I wanted my Kate and Edith too. :
The sexual revolution. Boy, I never thought it'd come this far though. We've come a long way. A very long way.

No, can't compare Christ to a hippie, two totally different mentalities.
Really something though. At one time I fought the christians as the nonbelievers here do... almost word for word with the same worn out arguments. Those haven't changed. People think their ideas against christianity these days are something new for some crazy reason. Heck, thought the same things, used the same ploys 35 years ago. And the christians haven't changed either.

 

[Relic]

And the christians haven't changed either.

Thank GOD!




And the Jews all said in sync, "And this is a good thing?"




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[Scott]

The Truth of the matter is.... Christ came for the liberals.... His best buddies are the lesbians, the gays, the stoners, the whores, and the poor....

You couldn't be any more wrong than you are here Soma. All those that you listed (except the poor) are examples of the unrepentant. They will never have any part with the Saviour.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Ok maybe I was pulling everybodies leg here.....

Someone has to play Devil's advocate.....

But for the record the "sick" and "sinners" that Christ came for was not just liberals! They were conservatives too!

Conservatives have just as much sin in their hearts as liberals! In fact conservatives tend to be more

1. Greedy
2. Uncaring towards the environment
3. Unsympathetic
4. Unbending to the result of much family anguish. (Imagine a conservative father who controls his family like a military unit)
5. Self Righteous just like the Pharisees (Judge not lest ye be judged)
6. Conservatives choose beliefs based on what someone else has told them and stick to those beliefs, even if they are proven to be 100% wrong.
7. Conservatives base their facts on their own opinions. Liberals base their opinions on objective, verifiable facts.
8. Conservatives believe that money is free speech. Liberals know that money allows the rich elites to silence the free speech and eliminate other freedoms of the masses.
9. Conservatives think that there is one set of values in the U.S. that can be called "American Values." Liberals know that there are numerous value systems in the U.S. and that there is no such thing as "American Values."
10. Conservatives think that America never does anything bad, particularly their own leaders.
11. Conservatives believe that it is right for them to force their values upon the rest of America.
12. Conservatives favor short-term gains and goals when dealing with the environment and business. Liberals know that planning only for the short-term will create more long-term problems than it will create short-term benefits.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Liberalism - A political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties.

liberalism(economy wise) - a theory in economic emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usu. based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard -- or in other words, capitalism.


What's so unChristian about this?

 

[Soma-Sight]

Just for fun, there is a research paper which came out in 1999 called "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social-Cognition." It is based on three premises:

1) Conservativism is a dimension of personality such as authoritarianism, dogmatism and intolerence of ambiguity

2) Conservatism is an attempt to satisfy epistemic and existential needs, such as needs for cognitive closure, regulartory focus, and terror management.

3) Conservativism is a socio-political idology arising from the collective rationalization of socal systems such as social dominance.

The research concludes that political conservatism satisfies the dispositional and situational needs of certain individuals, groups, and systems to explain, order, and justify the status que and to prevent change and disruption.

 

[Rick W]

Michael Savage - website

Liberalism is a Mental Disorder : Savage Solutions

 

[Soma-Sight]

Pot Luck,

Do you like Savage?

 

[Rick W]

hardly
Others can make up their own minds without my opinions.