Limits to what the blood cleanses – Part Two

[Classik]

Limits to what the blood cleanses – Part Two

This thread is, of course, is a little bit different from my previous thread on the same topic or related topics. So, not long ago, I read a blog. The blogger was writing nice stuff about Psalm 23, and making some paraphrases which really made some sense. At some points s/he would meander into certain links just for the sake of reiteration.



But, something caught my attention like it has never done before. I was so worried about it. I know we are by default born into this sinful earth: the Adamic problem. So, we need Christ to get off of the mess. The blood shed on the cross is so powerful and efficacious…that it can cleanse us from every sin. Good. Then my question, and of course my confusion: if a husband and his wife got married as true Christians…are they not altogether cleansed of the Adamic problem by the death of Christ on the cross? If the death or the blood has redeemed the couple and has made them new in Christ, then why would their progeny also need cleansing? To put it differently, does repentance not also sieve into the seed of the man to also preserve and sanctify their progenies before God? Then it means, that is, if it is not the case, that the seed of a man is shielded against the efficacy, death on the cross – or potency of the blood or death of our Savior.

Ta

 

[Eugene]

If the death or the blood has redeemed the couple and has made them new in Christ, then why would their progeny also need cleansing?

The child is born of man, not God, and will not be accountable until it sins. E.g., King David's child that he would join after death in Abraham's bosom: the abode of the righteous before Jesus died.
2 Sam 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

 

[Brother Mike]

Limits to what the blood cleanses – Part Two

This thread is, of course, is a little bit different from my previous thread on the same topic or related topics. So, not long ago, I read a blog. The blogger was writing nice stuff about Psalm 23, and making some paraphrases which really made some sense. At some points s/he would meander into certain links just for the sake of reiteration.



But, something caught my attention like it has never done before. I was so worried about it. I know we are by default born into this sinful earth: the Adamic problem. So, we need Christ to get off of the mess. The blood shed on the cross is so powerful and efficacious…that it can cleanse us from every sin. Good. Then my question, and of course my confusion: if a husband and his wife got married as true Christians…are they not altogether cleansed of the Adamic problem by the death of Christ on the cross? If the death or the blood has redeemed the couple and has made them new in Christ, then why would their progeny also need cleansing? To put it differently, does repentance not also sieve into the seed of the man to also preserve and sanctify their progenies before God? Then it means, that is, if it is not the case, that the seed of a man is shielded against the efficacy, death on the cross – or potency of the blood or death of our Savior.

Ta

As lots of times, I'll give you the revelation. My son is wanting to go somewhere, so I will supply the scriptures if you ask, or you most likely already know where they are at.

First, Jesus did not come for the main purpose of cleaning our sins. That is a big issue of misunderstanding which causes confusion and these types of questions.

Because of the law of sin and death, and man breaking his covenant with God, something had to die. Jesus took the place for the punishment of what we deserved now in this time, and the blood removes all written things against.

Children do not need cleaned to have eternal life, for they have no law, but of the parents saying Obey your parents, for it is the first commandment of having a long life. The law to the child is in obeying the parents, no scripture saying children obey God. ZERO.

19 and younger were given the promise, even if the Parents did not obey God. (Num 14)

20 and Older for this cause the child will leave his parents and take a wife. He becomes now accountable to uphold the law.

If one parent believes on Jesus, the other spouse is sanctified as well as the child by the believing parent. It just takes one parent.
Sanctified does not mean eternal life, not being under but the law of the parent, but under the covenant in what the parent believes, being the seed of Abraham.

The parent being sanctified by the other parent is partakers of the covenant by which Jesus said I came to destroy the works of the devil, and I have come that they may have life, and have it abundantly. The works of the devil is Killing, stealing and Destroying. For the sake of the believing parent, the covenant is in effect and the curse can not operate, as to effect the unbelieving parent.

The Parent that does not believe though, only has the benefit on earth through the believer. They do not have eternal life, and nobody is given in marriage in Heaven.

That should clear it up.

Scriptures if you need, but most do not even have a clue or reality that we are the seed of Abraham, with the same promises as Abraham through Christ Jesus, and why they are defeated in this life.

Mike

Edited for horrible spelling errors.

 

[Deborah13]

The parent being sanctified by the other parent is partakers of the covenant by which Jesus said I came to destroy the works of the devil, and I have come that they may have life, and have it abundantly. The works of the devil is Killing, stealing and inventorying. For the sake of the believing parent, the covenant is in effect and the curse can not operate, as to effect the unbelieving parent.

For the sake of the believing parent, the curse cannot operate, to effect the unbelieving parent.
Can you give an example of what you mean by this?

 

[Brother Mike]

For the sake of the believing parent, the curse cannot operate, to effect the unbelieving parent.
Can you give an example of what you mean by this?

To the rest I declare--I, not the Lord [for Jesus did not discuss this]--that if any brother has a wife who does not believe [in Christ] and she consents to live with him, he should not leave or divorce her. And if any woman has an unbelieving husband and he consents to live with her, she should not leave or divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is set apart (separated, withdrawn from heathen contamination, and affiliated with the Christian people) by union with his consecrated (set-apart) wife, and the unbelieving wife is set apart and separated through union with her consecrated husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean (unblessed heathen, outside the Christian covenant), but as it is they are prepared for God [pure and clean].
(1Co 7:12-14) AMP for Clarification.

If you have married an unbeliever, then through your covenant with God, they are protected and blessed under the covenant you share with God.

Eph_5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

So, because Husband and wife are one flesh, then what effects the one, will effect the other.

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
(1Co 7:14)

Since Sanctify here in the Greek means to make clean or holy, and we only have scripture saying that Husband and wife are One flesh, not spiritually tied, or soul tied. Then any effects of the Curse Jesus redemned us from (Deut 28) Would also be stopped by what the believing spouse believed.

Since we have all things that pertain to this life, they are only gained through the Knowledge of the Lord Jesus. What you don't know, can get you killed.

Example:
When I got out of prison, my wife was just getting out of adultery, sleeping around, and all kinds of things. It was not long after my son was diagnosed with a rare cancer. Just 8 some days later, they could not stop the cancer.

The wife was thinking because of her adultery and mess, that it was the cause. She was so unlearned of spiritual things. I told her My covenant with God, and we being one flesh would mean our son would be just fine, despite what the doctors were saying. I had this scripture in mind Paul gave us.

If the curse and thief could come steal, kill and destroy your spouse, make them broke, sick, and unable to be of help, that would effect the believing parent. A believing Parent knowing their rights to citizenship in Heaven would stand up and say no way, not in my house.

I hope this helped.

Be blessed.

 

[Deborah13]

I hope this helped.

Thanks, that what I thought you meant.

 

[YosefHayim]

The blood cleanses him that believes. I think that's as final as Christ said "it is finished".