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th1b.taylor

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Recently I came across a conversation on one of the forums I'm a contributing member of about the, infamous Westboro ?Baptist? Church out of Kansas and their presence at this years Super Bowl Game in Dallas and the remarks disturbed me, greatly.


Let me be very clear about where I stand on the matter of Fred Phelps, his daughter and the rest of that assembly. They are calling themselves Baptists but that is not true! There might be a saved member or two in that assembly of human beings but if they are there, as I read the scriptures they are Cardinal Christians that are quenching the Spirit. By me also being human, I am prone to misjudgments, but everything I know and everything I see in the News Media just disturbs me to no end when these people are the subject. They, absolutely, are driven by a spirit but it is not the Holy Spirit that directs them.


Now, please understand, we walk a very fine line in matters of this sort. These folks are not following the LORD, our Lord, and therefore are in sin and we are instructed to hate sin but to love the sinner. (1Jn 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
1Jn 4:9 Herein was the love of God manifested in us, that God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world that we might live through him.
Rev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. ASV)


What disturbed me so much was the idea that people I have come to know and accept as brothers and sisters in Christ were finding it to be a good idea if the bus, filled with adults and children would wreck in the ditch as they were in route to Dallas. I would love to see these people come to the Saving Grace that is found in Jesus and that will not happen to some of the kids and adults if they die in a bus wreck. More than once I have prayed for God to place His hand on these people and to turn them back to Himself. (2Pet. 3:9) The principal I'm teaching here is often scoffed at as not being Biblical. The problem with that is the same problem we see with the Rapture, the Trinity and other principals taught in the scriptures.


The simple fact that something is not stated in clear syntax is never a reason to dismiss the teaching off hand. Indeed, that is when we begin to do as the Bereans did, (Acts 17:11,12) and search the scriptures to see if the teaching is true or false. When Jesus, God in the flesh of a man walked the Earth he gave us a tremendous clue to understanding the scriptures, He taught in parables! When His disciples inquired as to why He answered them by teaching them that the parables were for those that had the ears to hear! There is a shocking truth in that statement from God. Those that do not have ears for spiritual matters, simply, will not hear and then when we read John 1:1-3, we find that Jesus is the creator of everything, so Jesus is the author of all of the Bible. Then in Heb. 6:16,17 and in Mal. 3:6 we find that the nature of God is immutable... He never changes!


Like God, we must learn to hate sin and to love sinners, even the worst of them. This is not an option, Jesus/God, has shown us this principal throughout the Old and the New Testaments... it is a command!
 
That's a really good post Brother Taylor. I totally agree that we should hate the sin but love the sinner. The Bible Plainly teaches this, and as hard as it may be to actually put this concept into practice sometimes, I believe it's vital to being a strong and faithful Christian. It's only with God's help that we love, and have compassion on those that we feel are living in sin and doing wrong to others. I always pray that God will give me strength to have this Christian love and compassion within my heart.
That being said however, I would be remiss if I did not express my disdain for what the Westboro Baptist Church and their members for what they stand for, and openly display for everyone to see. I'll make clear my stand right now in saying that there is no way I believe this group to be of the Christian faith. No way. There is no way ANYgroup professing themselves to be Christians would preach such hate as these people preach. You know Brother Taylor, it really test my faith sometimes to love these kind of people, but I do, and I will pray for them. I hardly ever reply to a post, but the Westboro people, and the things they do, really make me angry sometimes and I just wanted to give you my opinion and thank you for your post.

Peace,

Tim
 
That's a really good post Brother Taylor. I totally agree that we should hate the sin but love the sinner. The Bible Plainly teaches this, and as hard as it may be to actually put this concept into practice sometimes, I believe it's vital to being a strong and faithful Christian. It's only with God's help that we love, and have compassion on those that we feel are living in sin and doing wrong to others. I always pray that God will give me strength to have this Christian love and compassion within my heart.
That being said however, I would be remiss if I did not express my disdain for what the Westboro Baptist Church and their members for what they stand for, and openly display for everyone to see. I'll make clear my stand right now in saying that there is no way I believe this group to be of the Christian faith. No way. There is no way ANYgroup professing themselves to be Christians would preach such hate as these people preach. You know Brother Taylor, it really test my faith sometimes to love these kind of people, but I do, and I will pray for them. I hardly ever reply to a post, but the Westboro people, and the things they do, really make me angry sometimes and I just wanted to give you my opinion and thank you for your post.

Peace,

Tim
Tim,
That is so very well stated, thank-you! In the case of these folks I find that I can do no less than to pray for their spiritual eyes and ears to be opened because you are correct, they are Hell bound!
 
I too have prayed that God would stop these people. They are an embarrassment and an EXTREMELY bad testimony of what the Christian faith is. But I've asked Him to stop them. I would never ask God to kill them! If that happened to be the way God, in His wisdom, chose to accomplish His purpose then so be it. I'm not God's judge! But God wants everyone to come to know him, and killing people that might still have had a chance to do that, doesn't seem to accomplish this.

I was once in a situation where I could have killed someone. The person was not a Christian. He was armed with a gun that I knew was loaded, and I knew that he was intending to kill me at the first oportunity. I also had a loaded gun with the sights steadily aimed between his eyes and my finger ready to pull the trigger in an instant. I knew I was legally and morally justified in shooting, and also was in the proper frame of mind to take his life. There was no option of shooting to maim. That is fantasy. It would have been a shot to kill. A police sergeant and captain also agreed that I had every right to shoot, and were surprised that I didn’t.

The result? Because I didn’t kill him, I later had the chance to witness to him while he was in jail. As far as I know, he didn’t accept Christ right then. But as he looked back on the situation with a more sober mind, he was dumbfounded that I hadn’t taken my shot and wanted to know why, because he certainly would have killed me had he thought he could have gotten the shot off faster. Now he knows it was that voice of God in me telling me that this particular situation did not require me to pull the trigger. Whether he ever accepts Christ or not, he now knows without doubt that it was God speaking to me that saved his physical life that day.
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Likewise with the westboro people. As long as they are alive, there is opportunity for them to see God’s work and turn to Him.
 
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Those Christians calling for the deaths of WBC reminds me of James and John:

Luke 9:54-56 (KJV)
And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.


They should also remember:

1 John 4:19-21 (KJV)
We love him, because he first loved us. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.
 
This is a tiny group that the media likes to exploit as an example of people who claim to be christian. Other then making a little stink they do not do much else, the real enemy of the christian faith is the ACLU which is supported by our tax money. The devil likes to get us to swat at a snat while we swallow a camel.
 
This is a tiny group that the media likes to exploit as an example of people who claim to be christian. Other then making a little stink they do not do much else, the real enemy of the christian faith is the ACLU which is supported by our tax money. The devil likes to get us to swat at a snat while we swallow a camel.


How so?? Do Christian's not support freedom of religeon??? ACLU is what I am asking about. And how does my tax money support them? Are you talking about giving them constitutional rights?Thanks in advance!

--Elijah
 
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