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Bible Study Long Gone

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When the believer in Christ learns that the forgiveness given at rebirth will never be subject to change, the concept of the permanency of faith and salvation come clearer into view and the walk is less difficult due to the right to “lay aside every weight, and the sin which does so easily beset us . . .” (Heb 12:1). We cannot know the freedom from sin’s reign if we do not walk in the knowledge that it all has been completely dealt with in the Cross.

Only when we consider any sin to remain that has not been addressed by the Blood will we walk in our own misjudgment of its full cleansing, even though all the sin has been completely addressed and absolved in the Cross. Only when we know this truth can we always “cast all your care upon Him” (1 Pet 5:7); disallow “your heart to be troubled” (Jhn 14:1, 27); know “you are clean through the Word (Jhn 15:3),” and realize we are ever one with the Father, the Lord Jesus, and one another (Jhn 14:20; 17:21).

-NC


Long Gone

A great many souls are thinking how they stand with God, instead of thinking how God stands with them. When the prodigal came to the father his thoughts were all about what he had done and what he was. He soon found what his father had done and how he felt. There is the sense of how God stands towards us, and how everything about us is removed from His eye, before we know in our soul that everything is removed from our own vision. Do you believe all is gone before the eye of your Father? Yes! Is all gone from before your eye? Ah, that is another matter?

It is a great thing to get peace by the work of the Lord Jesus, but it is even greater to have the enjoyment of it. That is what the prodigal son wanted; he knew there was nothing between his father and himself when his father kissed him; but what troubled him was, he was not fit for his father’s house.

Many a one knows peace with God who does not know deliverance from himself, and hence he does not enjoy his peace. I know it myself, I have gone that road. When I saw Christ had borne my judgement, and all was gone from before the holy eye of God forever, I said it was beautiful; it was profound blessing—but then when I looked at myself I was not a bit happy. The fact is, at the time I was trying to improve the “flesh,” the “old man.”

For deliverance from the reign of the Adam-life you must have more than justification; you need to see that the old man is gone (permanently powerless concerning damnation - Rom 8:1; and permanently powerless concerning domination - Rom 6:12, 14—NC) from your eye, as clearly as you see that it is gone from God’s eye. It must be by the Spirit and the Word that you learn it; it is only by the Spirit that you can see that it is judicially gone. Peace is that I see that my Adam-life is gone from the eye of my Father through the work of the Cross.

It is clear that my conscience is truly awakened as to what is due to God, because of the sentiments of my new nature, that begin to find that “in me (that is in my flesh) dwells “no good thing”; and I long, as seeing what would suit me, to be delivered from the “body of this death” (Rom 7:24: referring to “the body of sin” – Rom 6:6, along with its “members” – Col 3:5—NC) and not to now improve it, but to be delivered from it. It is then that I rise in delight of heart to the full work of the Cross. Nothing can afford me full freedom from the old Adam-life but the scriptural knowledge that my Father has removed it entirely from His own eye in the Cross of His Son.

The Lord Jesus made Himself a sacrifice for sin, thereby removing it from before the Father according to the measure it was in His mind. He was made to be sin and suffered for it fully, because He alone knew what it was in God’s sight. Now as He has removed it according to God’s estimate, it is evident that it must be gone according to mine, however much my sense of it may increase.

Therefore it is of immense importance that I should believe that God has removed in the Cross everything in me that could offend Him; that it is now judicially true for the believer that the end of all flesh (sinful nature—NC) has come before God. For then I am not only clear of it before Him through faith in Christ, but as the old man has been crucified with Christ, I have nothing to work on or improve. I have only to reckon it as in the place of death, where God has placed it.

I must know that through grace I am in Christ before I can survey and apprehend the dignities of this great position; and as I do so, I begin to connect myself with the heavenly places. I cannot understand His glory until I have known His grace, and as I am enjoying His glory, I am in the place where He is. Thus the highest blessing is contingent on the apprehension of the fullness of His grace.

- J B Stoney


Excerpt from MJS devotional:

“The Lord Jesus Christ is the Christian’s very life (Col 3:4), and the Holy Spirit dwells within our spirit to manifest Him (Rom 8:18), to work out all that is in Him and to reproduce Him in us. We must remember that there is something in the sight of God that is higher than work. There is Christ-likeness. That is our Father’s purpose, and it is His work.” -A.M.

http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
 
When the believer in Christ learns that the forgiveness given at rebirth will never be subject to change, the concept of the permanency of faith and salvation come clearer into view and the walk is less difficult due to the right to “lay aside every weight, and the sin which does so easily beset us . . .” (Heb 12:1). We cannot know the freedom from sin’s reign if we do not walk in the knowledge that it all has been completely dealt with in the Cross.

Only when we consider any sin to remain that has not been addressed by the Blood will we walk in our own misjudgment of its full cleansing, even though all the sin has been completely addressed and absolved in the Cross. Only when we know this truth can we always “cast all your care upon Him” (1 Pet 5:7); disallow “your heart to be troubled” (Jhn 14:1, 27); know “you are clean through the Word (Jhn 15:3),” and realize we are ever one with the Father, the Lord Jesus, and one another (Jhn 14:20; 17:21).

-NC


Long Gone

A great many souls are thinking how they stand with God, instead of thinking how God stands with them. When the prodigal came to the father his thoughts were all about what he had done and what he was. He soon found what his father had done and how he felt. There is the sense of how God stands towards us, and how everything about us is removed from His eye, before we know in our soul that everything is removed from our own vision. Do you believe all is gone before the eye of your Father? Yes! Is all gone from before your eye? Ah, that is another matter?

It is a great thing to get peace by the work of the Lord Jesus, but it is even greater to have the enjoyment of it. That is what the prodigal son wanted; he knew there was nothing between his father and himself when his father kissed him; but what troubled him was, he was not fit for his father’s house.

Many a one knows peace with God who does not know deliverance from himself, and hence he does not enjoy his peace. I know it myself, I have gone that road. When I saw Christ had borne my judgement, and all was gone from before the holy eye of God forever, I said it was beautiful; it was profound blessing—but then when I looked at myself I was not a bit happy. The fact is, at the time I was trying to improve the “flesh,” the “old man.”

For deliverance from the reign of the Adam-life you must have more than justification; you need to see that the old man is gone (permanently powerless concerning damnation - Rom 8:1; and permanently powerless concerning domination - Rom 6:12, 14—NC) from your eye, as clearly as you see that it is gone from God’s eye. It must be by the Spirit and the Word that you learn it; it is only by the Spirit that you can see that it is judicially gone. Peace is that I see that my Adam-life is gone from the eye of my Father through the work of the Cross.

It is clear that my conscience is truly awakened as to what is due to God, because of the sentiments of my new nature, that begin to find that “in me (that is in my flesh) dwells “no good thing”; and I long, as seeing what would suit me, to be delivered from the “body of this death” (Rom 7:24: referring to “the body of sin” – Rom 6:6, along with its “members” – Col 3:5—NC) and not to now improve it, but to be delivered from it. It is then that I rise in delight of heart to the full work of the Cross. Nothing can afford me full freedom from the old Adam-life but the scriptural knowledge that my Father has removed it entirely from His own eye in the Cross of His Son.

The Lord Jesus made Himself a sacrifice for sin, thereby removing it from before the Father according to the measure it was in His mind. He was made to be sin and suffered for it fully, because He alone knew what it was in God’s sight. Now as He has removed it according to God’s estimate, it is evident that it must be gone according to mine, however much my sense of it may increase.

Therefore it is of immense importance that I should believe that God has removed in the Cross everything in me that could offend Him; that it is now judicially true for the believer that the end of all flesh (sinful nature—NC) has come before God. For then I am not only clear of it before Him through faith in Christ, but as the old man has been crucified with Christ, I have nothing to work on or improve. I have only to reckon it as in the place of death, where God has placed it.

I must know that through grace I am in Christ before I can survey and apprehend the dignities of this great position; and as I do so, I begin to connect myself with the heavenly places. I cannot understand His glory until I have known His grace, and as I am enjoying His glory, I am in the place where He is. Thus the highest blessing is contingent on the apprehension of the fullness of His grace.

- J B Stoney


Excerpt from MJS devotional:

“The Lord Jesus Christ is the Christian’s very life (Col 3:4), and the Holy Spirit dwells within our spirit to manifest Him (Rom 8:18), to work out all that is in Him and to reproduce Him in us. We must remember that there is something in the sight of God that is higher than work. There is Christ-likeness. That is our Father’s purpose, and it is His work.” -A.M.

http://www.abideabove.com/hungry-heart/
Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ for being our provision in all and complete.

Thank you wonderful sermon.

God Bless.
 
Praise be to our Lord Jesus Christ for being our provision in all and complete.

Thank you wonderful sermon.

God Bless.
Thank you too Peg for your reply! I try to draw attention to the permanency of faith and salvation when the opportunity arises, as with this article. The truth that redemption is always eternal is the most important doctrinal truth concerning the believer's place in Christ, but I realize that a great many believers have yet to understand this, but eventually will, because outside of this there isn't much to grow on!
 
Thank you too Peg for your reply! I try to draw attention to the permanency of faith and salvation when the opportunity arises, as with this article. The truth that redemption is always eternal is the most important doctrinal truth concerning the believer's place in Christ, but I realize that a great many believers have yet to understand this, but eventually will, because outside of this there isn't much to grow on!
Amen!
 
Thank you Chaplain for this wonderful devotion. I had forgotten about the importance of dwelling on how our Heavenly Father evaluates us in Christ, rather than how I feel about myself. That is a very important teaching of psychology as well as spiritually.
 
Thank you Chaplain for this wonderful devotion. I had forgotten about the importance of dwelling on how our Heavenly Father evaluates us in Christ, rather than how I feel about myself. That is a very important teaching of psychology as well as spiritually.
Hi Brother C - Thanks for your reply. Amen, He sees us in the pureness of Christ and so should we, because those in Him are pure, in spite of the indwelling old man. I believe our Father is pleased when He sees us pleased and at peace concerning the difficulties of the sin nature, because we always cast it all on Them!
 
What a timely and beautiful reminder of what's most important, netchaplain ! I smiled throughout your OP. Such truth it holds!
 
What a timely and beautiful reminder of what's most important, netchaplain ! I smiled throughout your OP. Such truth it holds!
Thanks for the nice reply AD, and for the concurrence concerning the significance of knowing the eternal aspect of our place in the Lord Jesus.
 
When the believer in Christ learns that the forgiveness given at rebirth will never be subject to change, the concept of the permanency of faith and salvation come clearer into view and the walk is less difficult due to the right to “lay aside every weight, and the sin which does so easily beset us . . .” (Heb 12:1). We cannot know the freedom from sin’s reign if we do not walk in the knowledge that it all has been completely dealt with in the Cross.
Only when we consider any sin to remain that has not been addressed by the Blood will we walk in our own misjudgment of its full cleansing, even though all the sin has been completely addressed and absolved in the Cross. Only when we know this truth can we always “cast all your care upon Him” (1 Pet 5:7); disallow “your heart to be troubled” (Jhn 14:1, 27); know “you are clean through the Word (Jhn 15:3),” and realize we are ever one with the Father, the Lord Jesus, and one another (Jhn 14:20; 17:21).
I got as far as the first 2 paragraphs ... and I do not agree with them.
They do NOT call for any repentance of sins after "rebirth".
They do NOT call for any accountability of the born-again believer.

And, let's just look at one little thing ...
4 times in John 14, Jesus said that those who love Him will obey Him.
Once in John 15, Jesus said that those who are His friends will obey Him.
So, I ask all of you ... does anyone get into heaven ...
who does NOT love Jesus, who is NOT His friend, who does NOT obey His commandments?

>> There are multitudes of NT passages which stand against
the OSAS doctrine which is taught in those first 2 paragraphs.
If anyone wishes to, we can go through them ... one at a time.
 
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I got as far as the first 2 paragraphs ... and I do not agree with them.
They do NOT call for any repentance of sins after "rebirth".
They do NOT call for any accountability of the born-again believer.
Hi BC - Thanks for your reply! I do not know what you mean by "they." Nevertheless, repentance is an understanding and application that God gives to one who seeks Him, along with faith and "all things that pertain unto life and godliness" (2 Pet 1:3). In time this will all manifest whether they truly have faith and salvation, which all who are truly born again will eventually show (Phil 2:13).

And, let's just look at one little thing ...
4 times in John 14, Jesus said that those who love Him will obey Him.
Once in John 15, Jesus said that those who are His friends will obey Him.
Obedience does not produce salvation, but salvation produces obedience. Thus, I believe we cannot obey God in the manner He requires without first being given His Spirit during rebirth, because it is only when we have the "life" of Christ (Col 3:4) are we seen to have any godliness (1 Cor 1:30).

Blessings to your Family!
 
Hi BC - Thanks for your reply! I do not know what you mean by "they."
Nevertheless, repentance is an understanding and application that God gives to one who seeks Him, along with faith and "all things that pertain unto life and godliness" (2 Pet 1:3). In time this will all manifest whether they truly have faith and salvation, which all who are truly born again will eventually show (Phil 2:13).
Obedience does not produce salvation, but salvation produces obedience. Thus, I believe we cannot obey God in the manner He requires without first being given His Spirit during rebirth, because it is only when we have the "life" of Christ (Col 3:4) are we seen to have any godliness (1 Cor 1:30).
"They" obviously refers to the first 2 paragraphs.
The rest is also obvious, and has nothing to do with your false view of the NT.
I.E. You choose to reject all of the many dire warnings to the churches in the NT.

And, you haven't commented on the Kindergarden entry level question re: John 14 and 15:
Does anyone get into heaven who does not love Jesus, who is not His friend, and who does not obey His commandments?
 
"They" obviously refers to the first 2 paragraphs.
The rest is also obvious, and has nothing to do with your false view of the NT.
I.E. You choose to reject all of the many dire warnings to the churches in the NT.

And, you haven't commented on the Kindergarden entry level question re: John 14 and 15:
Does anyone get into heaven who does not love Jesus, who is not His friend, and who does not obey His commandments?
Though our understanding and opinions significantly vary I still would like to communicate--if we can!

Blessings to your Family!
 
Wouldn't the thief on the cross fit this bill?
Well, 2 out of 3 ain't too bad.
I'm sure he loved Jesus, and considered himself a friend while they suffered on the cross together.
Difficult to obey ... when believing and having faith is never commanded by Jesus.
People are invited, not commanded.

But, as always, it's all about having the correct and acceptable heart attitude towards God.
The thief had that ... and just in time.
 
I still would like to communicate--if we can!
Okay, how about a YES or NO to an elementary question?
Does anyone get into heaven who does not love Jesus, who is not His friend, and who does not obey His commandments?
 
Okay, how about a YES or NO to an elementary question?
Does anyone get into heaven who does not love Jesus, who is not His friend, and who does not obey His commandments?
NO! If their is not love, friendship and obedience to the Lord Jesus, it evinces there is no rebirth, because there is no faith. IMO, one can not partake of any of these apart from being reborn, because it requires the Father to "work" (Phil 2:13) this "in you."
 
Not to take sides, but that's a great point, as he had no time for works--just faith!

What a great point.

I also find it interesting that Luke is the only gospel writer who speaks of "a repentant thief" on the Cross -- another synoptic gospel writer just says "two malefactors were crucified with Him - and Mocked Him" -- and does not mention "the repentant thief"

Other gospel writer tells that Peter cut a guy's ear off when they came to get Jesus -- only Luke, the physician, records that Jesus put the guy's ear back on

Get out your Bible and pinch the gospel of Luke -- then the Book of Acts -- see how much of the NT was written by Luke
 
What a great point.

I also find it interesting that Luke is the only gospel writer who speaks of "a repentant thief" on the Cross -- another synoptic gospel writer just says "two malefactors were crucified with Him - and Mocked Him" -- and does not mention "the repentant thief"

Other gospel writer tells that Peter cut a guy's ear off when they came to get Jesus -- only Luke, the physician, records that Jesus put the guy's ear back on

Get out your Bible and pinch the gospel of Luke -- then the Book of Acts -- see how much of the NT was written by Luke
Hi Anto9us - Thanks for the reply and comments! Yah, the more people involved, the more details reported! God bless!
 
Does anyone get into heaven who does not love Jesus, who is not His friend, and who does not obey His commandments?

NO!
If their is not love, friendship and obedience to the Lord Jesus, it evinces there is no rebirth, because there is no faith. IMO, one can not partake of any of these apart from being reborn, because it requires the Father to "work" (Phil 2:13) this "in you."
Okay, Jesus says that obedience is necessary for entrance into heaven.
A huge percentage of people in today's churches
are habitually sinning without repentance.
I wonder how many of these are born-again?
Are they being obedient to Jesus' commandments?
So, the multitude is NOT heading for heaven.
But, you say Jesus will succeed in straightening them out.
IMO, He is using believers like me to accomplish His desire.
Since the end has not yet come for these people,
I cannot say they disprove the OSAS doctrine.
 
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