Bible Study Mankind's Three Utopias In The Bible

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Mankind's Three Utopias In The Bible

As people turn to politics to achieve social harmony it should be stated that mankind achieved a perfect utopia 3 times in the bible.

Mankind's first utopia was just before God intervened and stopped man's perfect utopia when everyone was assisting the construction of the 'Tower of Babel'.

The second time God intervened and stopped man's utopia was just before the Great Flood.

The third time God intervened and stopped man's utopia was when God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Today society is desperately trying to establish another utopia and once again God will intervene to stop it as man uses this utopia as a replacement for God. Our efforts to achieve our own utopia, however disguised it is with sincerity, will result in all the calamities and hardships as depicted in the Book of Revelation (hint: read the Book of Revelation).

God's judgment of man's most recent attempt to create his own utopia is called the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation will begin with the Rapture where Jesus will return for all of his faithful as God did with Noah.

Notice in Luke 17:26-35 (see below) Jesus combines both Noah's Ark and Sodom and Gomorrah in describing man's sinful condition just before the Great Tribulation. Both the man and the woman will be infested with sexual immorality.

This period of time is already upon us for just before the Great Tribulation Jesus will return to rescue all of his faithful in the Rapture as God rescued Noah and his family just before God's impending judgment. Those who are left behind after the Rapture are all those who, while believing in the God of the Old Covenant, still do not believe in Jesus as the true messiah (hint: the New Covenant). These unfortunate people will be sent a messenger to flee the immorality of this world just like in the story of Sodom and Gomorrah where God sent two angels to warn Lot and his family to flee the sexual immorality of Sodom and Gomorrah just before God's impending judgment of it.

In Luke 17:26-35 Noah's Ark represents God rescuing all of his faithful in the Rapture (hint: New Covenant believers) just before the Great Tribulation and Sodom and Gomorrah represents God warning all those who are left behind after the Rapture (hint: Old Covenant believers) of God's imminent judgments during the Great Tribulation (hint: read the Book of Revelation).

Believe in Jesus Christ and rest assured that any coming judgments by God will be forestalled by the Rapture where Jesus Christ will return for all of his faithful (hint: like in Noah's Ark) just before God's final judgment of mankind called the Great Tribulation!

God Bless

note:

Whenever mankind becomes very depraved he will seek to establish an utopia to glorify his own sin. Today we see many people clamoring for another sin filled utopia that God will have to stop.

Luke 17:26-35 New International Version (NIV)
26 “Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man. 27 People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.

28 “It was the same in the days of Lot. People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”

 

[Ph8th]

Shouldn't it be 3 attempts of man to create a Utopia ........ there was only one in the bible, it was Eden

peter

 

[Jim Parker]

The pre-flood civilization was no utopia. It was so vile that God decided to destroy it.
The 5 cities of the plain, including Sodom and Gomorrah, were also so vile that God destroyed them before their "disease" spread any further.
The people who wanted to build the tower to heaven wanted to make a "name" for themselves when the "Name" they needed was "The Name"; YHWH. They wanted to be gods in their own right. (Have their own name.)

Gen 11:4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.” (NKJV)

God's command was to fill the whole earth. (Gen 1:28) Gathering into cities was asking to be cursed in those days and it continues until today.

iakov the fool

 

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I might find interest to observe the tower of Babel as the first showing of Babylon.
The second would be in the physical nation of Babylon.
The third, Mystery Babylon from Rev. 17 & 18 reveals what the first two represented, particularly from 18 vs. 2.

So, basically 3 Babylon's that progress from the natural showing to the Spiritual showing in Rev. 18:2.

And likewise on the opposing side of the ledgers we have what is essentially 3 (major) showings of temple matters in the O.T. The wandering temple in the desert, the rich man's temple of Solomon, and the rebuilt temple after the captivity.

And from these 3 prior 'natural' showings we are also moved to observe 3 Temple's in the N.T. That of Jesus Christ, that of believers in the flesh, and the culmination of these in New Jerusalem, the joining of Christ and His Body of believers as a or in total.

And, the Last Temple, the 7th, which is the culmination that Paul wrote of in 1 Cor. 15:28 in which God Is All, in All.

Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Spoken of also by Daniel, here:

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34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.

and the interpretation, here:

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

Shown again, here, in shortened fashions, as to the end game:

Daniel 12:2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

 

[Jim Parker]

I might find interest to observe the tower of Babel as the first showing of Babylon.
The second would be in the physical nation of Babylon.
The third, Mystery Babylon from Rev. 17 & 18 reveals what the first two represented, particularly from 18 vs. 2.

So, basically 3 Babylon's that progress from the natural showing to the Spiritual showing in Rev. 18:2.

We don't have a physical location of the "Tower of Babel" and cannot, with assurance, connect the word "Babel" with the city of "Babylon" which was the capital of the Babylonian empire.

The Babylon of the Revelation is an economic system. That it is that system is found by considering who mourn when Babylon is destroyed. It is the merchants of the world who traded with her and the kings of the world who indulged in her luxuries and fornication. (Rev 18)

And likewise on the opposing side of the ledgers we have what is essentially 3 (major) showings of temple matters in the O.T. The wandering temple in the desert, the rich man's temple of Solomon, and the rebuilt temple after the captivity.

I don't know why you would call it "the rich man's temple." It was the temple of God which He commanded to be built.

And from these 3 prior 'natural' showings we are also moved to observe 3 Temple's in the N.T. That of Jesus Christ, that of believers in the flesh, and the culmination of these in New Jerusalem, the joining of Christ and His Body of believers as a or in total.

Believers in Christ are already joined to Christ. ("Christ in you the hope of glory")

And, the Last Temple, the 7th, which is the culmination that Paul wrote of in 1 Cor. 15:28 in which God Is All, in All.

That's not a temple; that's the entire universe united with Christ.

iakov the fool

 

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We don't have a physical location of the "Tower of Babel"

Doesn't matter. It's written of, therefore it was as shown therein.

and cannot, with assurance, connect the word "Babel" with the city of "Babylon" which was the capital of the Babylonian empire.

We have a direct connection to the meaning, in the name itself.

Definition:
Babel or Babylon = "confusion (by mixing)"

The Babylon of the Revelation is an economic system. That it is that system is found by considering who mourn when Babylon is destroyed. It is the merchants of the world who traded with her and the kings of the world who indulged in her luxuries and fornication. (Rev 18)

I'll admit that associations can be a tough gig, but in Rev. 18:2 we are advised, directly. And it has nothing to do with money or economic systems and everything to do with spiritual wickedness.

I don't know why you would call it "the rich man's temple." It was the temple of God which He commanded to be built.

Solomon's temple was a rich man's temple built by a very wealthy man, regardless of God's Directive's to do so. 2 Chron. 1:12

Riches in God's Spiritual quations are seldom if ever, related to cash in any case. There are many interesting matters of note in the second temple and with Solomon himself for that matter.

Believers in Christ are already joined to Christ. ("Christ in you the hope of glory")

True as a matter of Spiritual Accounting, but not as a matter of present reality in our entirety, which is the Promise of The New Body to come, as the present body is vile, by nature of the contrary flesh. Phil. 3:22, Gal. 5:17, Romans 3:9, Gal. 3:22, etc etc.

That's not a temple; that's the entire universe united with Christ.

iakov the fool

If you are speaking of 1 Cor. 15:28, I would agree. BUT, very much A Temple:

Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

 

[Jim Parker]

Doesn't matter. It's written of, therefore it was as shown therein.



We have a direct connection to the meaning, in the name itself.

Definition:
Babel or Babylon = "confusion (by mixing)"



I'll admit that associations can be a tough gig, but in Rev. 18:2 we are advised, directly. And it has nothing to do with money or economic systems and everything to do with spiritual wickedness.



Solomon's temple was a rich man's temple built by a very wealthy man, regardless of God's Directive's to do so. 2 Chron. 1:12

Riches in God's Spiritual quations are seldom if ever, related to cash in any case. There are many interesting matters of note in the second temple and with Solomon himself for that matter.



True as a matter of Spiritual Accounting, but not as a matter of present reality in our entirety, which is the Promise of The New Body to come, as the present body is vile, by nature of the contrary flesh. Phil. 3:22, Gal. 5:17, Romans 3:9, Gal. 3:22, etc etc.



If you are speaking of 1 Cor. 15:28, I would agree. BUT, very much A Temple:

Revelation 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

edited reba