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Man's Inhumanity to Man

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Being a WW II history buff, I watched a special last night on the History Channel (followed by another program on Auschwitz) about the Nuremburg War trial tribunals but, this program was primarily about Hermann Goering and how he was convicted of crimes against humanity and sentenced to death by hanging. He cheated the system in that two hours before the scheduled hanging by taking a hidden cyanide capsule.

Another war criminal in that movie was Rudolph Hess (Hoess). I wanted to find out a bit more about him and was shocked at the affadavit he signed at the Tribunal. No remorse given or implied-just bold, balatant facts of his involvement in the 3rd Reich and with the overseeing of the concentration camps both in Germany and Poland. His statement...

Rudolf Hoess born in 1900, , joined the SS in 1933, and eventually commanded the massive extermination center of Auschwitz, whose name has come to symbolize humanity's ultimate descent into evil. This is his signed testimony at the Post-War trials of Major War Criminals held at Nuremburg.

1, RUDOLF FRANZ FERDINAND HOESS, being first duly sworn, depose and say as follows:

1. I am forty­six years old, and have been a member of the NSDAPI since 1922; a member of the SS since 1934; a member of the Waffen­SS since 1939. I was a member from 1 December 1934 of the SS Guard Unit, the so­called Deathshead Formation (Totenkopf Verband).

2. I have been constantly associated with the administration of concentration camps since 1934, serving at Dachau until 1938; then as Adjutant in Sachsenhausen from 1938 to 1 May, 1940, when I was appointed Commandant of Auschwitz. l commanded Auschwitz until 1 December,1943, and estimate that at least 2,500,000 victims were executed and exterminated there by gassing and burning, and at least another half million succumbed to starvation and disease, making a total dead of about 3,000,000. This figure represents about 70% or 80% of all persons sent to Auschwitz as prisoners, the remainder having been selected and used for slave labor in the concentration camp industries. Included among the executed and burnt were approximately 20,000 Russian prisoners of war (previously screened out of Prisoner of War cages by the Gestapo) who were delivered at Auschwitz in Wehrmacht transports operated by regular Wehrmacht officers and men. The remainder of the total number of victims included about 100,000 German Jews, and great numbers of citizens (mostly Jewish) from Holland, France, Belgium, Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Greece, or other countries. We executed about 400,000 Hungarian Jews alone at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944.

4. Mass executions by gassing commenced during the summer 1941 and continued until fall 1944.1 personally supervised executions at Auschwitz until the first of December 1943 and know by reason of my continued duties in the Inspectorate of Concentration Camps WVHA2 that these mass executions continued as stated above. All mass executions by gassing took place under the direct order, supervision and responsibility of RSHA.31 received all orders for carrying out these mass executions directly from RSHA.

6. The "final solution" of the Jewish question meant the complete extermination of all Jews in Europe. l was ordered to establish extermination facilities at Auschwitz in June 1941. At that time there were already in the general govemment three other extermination camps; BELZEK, TREBLINKA and WOLZEK. These camps were under the Einsatzkommando of the Security Police and SD. I visited Treblinka to find out how they carried out their exterminations. The Camp Commandant at Treblinka told me that he had liquidated 80,000 in the course of one­half year. He was principally concerned with liquidating all the Jews from the Warsaw Ghetto. He used monoxide gas and I did not think that his methods were very efficient. So when I set up the extermination building at Auschwitz, l used Cyclon B, which was a crystallized Prussic Acid which we dropped into the death chamber from a small opening. It took from 3 to 15 minutes to kill the people in the death chamber depending upon climatic conditions. We knew when the people were dead because their screaming stopped. We usually waited about one­half hour before we opened the doors and removed the bodies. After the bodies were removed our special commandos took off the rings and extracted the gold from the teeth of the corpses.

7. Another improvement we made over Treblinka was that we built our gas chambers to accommodate 2,000 people at one time, whereas at Treblinka their 10 gas chambers only accommodated 200 people each. The way we selected our victims was as follows: we had two SS doctors on duty at Auschwitz to examine the incoming transports of prisoners. The prisoners would be marched by one of the doctors who would make spot decisions as they walked by. Those who were fit for work were sent into the Camp. Others were sent immediately to the extermination plants. Children of tender years were invariably exterminated since by reason of their youth they were unable to work. Still another improvement we made over Treblinka was that at Treblinka the victims almost always knew that they were to be exterminated and at Auschwitz we endeavored to fool the victims into thinking that they were to go through a delousing process. Of course, frequently they realized our true intentions and we sometimes had riots and difficulties due to that fact. Very frequently women would hide their children under the clothes but of course when we found them we would send the children in to be exterminated. We were required to carry out these exterminations in secrecy but of course the foul and nauseating stench from the continuous burning of bodies permeated the entire area and all of the people living in the surrounding communities knew that exterminations were going on at Auschwitz .

8. We received from time to time special prisoners from the local Gestapo office. The SS doctors killed such prisoners by injections of benzine. Doctors had orders to write ordinary death certificates and could put down any reason at all for the cause of death.

9. From time to time we conducted medical experiments on women inmates, including sterilization and experiments relating to cancer. Most of the people who died under these experiments had been already condemned to death by the Gestapo.

10. Rudolf Mildner was the chief of the Gestapo at Kattowicz and as such was head of the political department at Auschwitz which conducted third degree methods of interrogation from approximately March 1941 until September 1943. As such, he frequently sent prisoners to Auschwitz for incarceration or execution. He visited Auschwitz on several occasions. The Gestapo Court, the SS Standgericht, which tried persons accused of various crimes, such as escaping Prisoners of War, etc., frequently met within Auschwitz, and Mildner often attended the trial of such persons, who usually were executed in Auschwitz following their sentence. l showed Mildner throughout the extermination plant at Auschwitz and he was directly interested in it since he had to send the Jews from his territory for execution at Auschwitz.

I understand English as it is written above. The above statements are true; this declaration is made by me voluntarily and without compulsion; after reading over the statement, I have signed and executed the same at Nurnberg, Germany on the fifth day of April 1946.

Rudolf Franz Ferdinand Hoess, "Affidavit, 5 April 1946," in Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945­1 October 1946 (Nuremberg: Secretariat of the International Military Tribunal, 1949), Doc. 3868­PS, vol. 33, 275­79.

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1946hoess.html
 
Absolutely shocking. But, infinitely better than the Christian hell.
 
Auschwitz

The things that happened there never ended. We would all love to believe that the world looks at Hitler, and that all of us agree that what he did was so terrible that there would never be anything like it again.

The spirit that controlled that place has inspired many others. Different locations. Different prejudices. Different kinds of slavery. That evil has never gone away. Please, please, please...pray against those who model their wickedness after the 3rd Reich and the SS. Where ever they spring up.

Please pray for those who are bound even now in slavery and human trafficking.
 
According to biblical prophecy there will come a day when killing christians will be considered a service to God.
Atrocities not so different than those of Hitler are taking place all over the world right now.
The antiChrist will also be a master at manipulation and brainwashing.
It's scary how easily people can be conditioned over a period of time to do most anything imaginable.
 
destiny said:
It's scary how easily people can be conditioned over a period of time to do most anything imaginable.

So true!

I often hear news stories that proclaim some great experiment or discovery, and when I hear of it my first thought always seems to be:

"You thought it was wrong when Hitler did it." :o
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
So true!

I often hear news stories that proclaim some great experiment or discovery, and when I hear of it my first thought always seems to be:

"You thought it was wrong when Hitler did it." :o
Theres always a conditioning process, a slow and subtle brainwashing first.
Those people didn't just wake up one morning that way.
Theres a book called "The Marketing Of Evil" that talks about how the same thing is taking place right under our noses in American society, and how things that were once considered shocking are now marketed under a new and more acceptable terminology, then sold as a human right.
If I have to pay my kids to read that book it'll be worth it.
 
It was interesting to watch this big, bad German sadists squirm in their seats at the Tribunal as the prosecution showed a film to the courtroom about the atrocities at Auschwitz and it showed them "bulldozing" bodies into a large ditch and other's were stacked like cord wood outside the barracks. Goering wouldn't watch it but rather, put a handerchief over his eyes so he couldn't see. Rudolph Hess showed little if any emotion while others just turned their heads away. They didn't mind initiating the "Jewish problem" but didn't want to see the aftermath.
 
I hope the 'irony' doesn't have anything to do with eternal torment, because i'm sick of hearing about torment and annihilation. Maybe there can be a discussion without it coming up, or is it getting to be like UR, ....impossible to do so? :-?

If i've totally missed what was meant by 'irony', forgive me please . :D
 
SputnikBoy said:
Can no one see the irony in all of this?

destiny said:
I hope the 'irony' doesn't have anything to do with eternal torment, because i'm sick of hearing about torment and annihilation. Maybe there can be a discussion without it coming up, or is it getting to be like UR, ....impossible to do so? :-?

If i've totally missed what was meant by 'irony', forgive me please . :D

Yeah, I gotta go along with what destiny said.

Sputnik, we already know that your mind and mine do not seem to run on the same tracks.

Go ahead. Point out whatever irony you see.

Oh wait, suddenly I am thinking that you are going to compare what Hitler did to the Jews with my desire to see the mafia brought to justice. . . say it isn't so :roll:
 
destiny said:
I hope the 'irony' doesn't have anything to do with eternal torment, because i'm sick of hearing about torment and annihilation. :-?

What a pity you would wish to turn a blind eye to that topic but are SO appalled by the above attrocities. How unbelievably strange.

destiny said:
If i've totally missed what was meant by 'irony', forgive me please . :D

You got it already, destiny. THAT is the irony. And that's all I intended to say and need to say.
 
Tell me, is it required of me by the Lord Jesus to jump into a bunch of circular arguments where neither side is offering anything new or giving an inch, or is it required of me to have a relationship with Jesus Christ and let Him motivate my actions?
When an argument gets to a place that it isn't going anywhere except who can indure arguing their point the longest, it's based on pride, not God. (I know how that works because i've done the same thing)
God doesn't require me be a part of that, He requires me to love Him and to allow the Holy Spirit to direct my actions.
If we were as concerned about the lost as we are some of these pet doctrines, maybe we would get to see God glorified in the lives of others more often.
 
StoveBolts said:
Well said and Amen Sister!
Thanks, brother ....it's just that I get so tired of one side thinking you're compromised if you aren't tearing the other side to pieces, and the other thinking you just don't have an argument or that you're 'turning a blind eye' if you aren't obsessing over whatever the pet doctrne is at any given time.
I thought Jesus mentioned something about 'shaking the dust from our feet' if someone refused to listen. He had a reason for saying that.
We seem to be selective in what scriptures we choose to obey around here.
 
All I said was, "Can anyone not see the irony in this ..."?

I believed that it was a point well made and I was (and am) willing to leave it at that.
 
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