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Marrying 10 Times

he said 5 husbands and the last was a concubine. which isn't the same. Solomon had wives and concubines. why does the the bible make the disctinction then if they are married?
 
Lewis said:
Jason you are taking this out of context
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uhm men do get raped by women. 30% of the army's rape victims are males and the attacker is mostly female. so does that make them married? define lawful consent.
I don't have the right to force my wife to have sex with me. if she says no, then its no. im not entitled to sex if its not consentual. im sure you get that point. I went to the act of sodomy to show that it has two meanings one them is the biblical one and the other is the legal definition of rape of male. an 11 year old boy that may say yes to have sex with an adult is a victim of rape. he cant give consent. this happens more then we think and also with girls.
 
Deborah13 said:
Where does it say that in the Law? A woman could not divorce her husband.
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I didn't say it does. That's not the point I'm getting at.

As far as I know, our tradition of the poor sap paying his ex-wife alimony even if she's the one who doesn't want to stay (and even if she gets up with another man) is based on a horrible misunderstanding of Leviticus 21:7-11 NASB...

"7 "If a man sells his daughter as a female slave, she is not to go free as the male slaves do.
8 "If she is displeasing in the eyes of her master who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He does not have authority to sell her to a foreign people because of his unfairness to her.
9 "If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her according to the custom of daughters.
10 "If he takes to himself another woman, he may not reduce her food, her clothing, or her conjugal rights.
11 "If he will not do these three things for her, then she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money." (Exodus 21:7-11 NASB)

 
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Deborah13 said:
I know what he is talking about. But I am asking where that is found in the Law of Moses. That only applied if the husband divorced the wife. But Jethro was saying that the wife doesn't want to be married to the husband. It really didn't matter what she wanted.
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Help me out. Am I missing the Biblical precedent for the ex-husband being required to pay support to a woman who leaves on her own?
 
lewis, your position implies the rape victim is sinning. there are saved married person that are raped. is that adultery then if they are raped. and notice that not all sex acts have vaginal penetration.
 
jasonc said:
he is talking about alimony. ie if I divorce my wife , she gets to keep 50% of my military retirement even if she marries a man who makes more then I do, or she makes more then I do.
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From the standpoint of community property I agree that the goods be divided up appropriately. In the case of your pension, I think the funds should be separated at the time of the divorce and given to the departing spouse. It's just plain stupid to think the wife can continue to gain from money the ex-husband puts into the pension plan after she leaves. Just plain stupid.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
From the standpoint of community property I agree that the goods be divided up appropriately. In the case of your pension, I think the funds should be separated at the time of the divorce and given to the departing spouse. It's just plain stupid to think the wife can continue to gain from money the ex-husband puts into the pension plan after she leaves. Just plain stupid.
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that is for another topic. it also depends on whether he left or wants the divorce. also to consider if she can work. there is some issues to consider.
 
jasonc said:
lewis, your position implies the rape victim is sinning. there are saved married person that are raped. is that adultery then if they are raped. and notice that not all sex acts have vaginal penetration.
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It is true that the law said that the rapist must marry the (un-pledged) woman he has taken by force (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NASB). That implies that by virtue of the sex act he has taken on a kind of marital responsibility for the woman. Because of what marriage is I don't disagree with that completely. From a practical point of view according to what marriage is today, I think it's crazy (who wants to be married to their rapist?) . But I understand those laws governed the socially accepted practice of the day of men choosing and buying wives for themselves, even by force, or the result of seizing them from conquered nations. Everyone understood that's how things worked then. Marriage in that time, and the laws God ordained to govern it, are for us a valuable illustration of Christ, the Father, and the bride the church, even though most societies do not 'get married' that way in this day and age.
 
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Jethro Bodine said:
It is true that the law said that the rapist must marry the (un-pledged) woman he has taken by force (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NASB). That implies that by virtue of the sex act he has taken on a kind of marital kind of responsibility for the woman. Because of what marriage is I don't disagree with that completely. From a practical point of view according to what marriage is today, I think it's crazy (who wants to be married to their rapist?) . But I understand those laws governed the socially accepted practice of the day of men choosing and buying wives for themselves, even by force, or the result of seizing them from conquered nations. Everyone understood that's how things worked then. Marriage in that time, and the laws God ordained to govern it, are for us a valuable illustration of Christ, the Father, and the bride the church, even though most societies do not 'get married' that way in this day and age.
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also consider that the rapist would be put to death if there was a witness. remember he could marry if she cried out and there was none to rescue her. if there was one whom rescued her then the man was put to death.
 
jasonc said:
alimony is based on that. remember that in courts , and I have seen this twice, if a woman commits adultery and has kids. she can keep the kids and gets the $$$ . unless the man really can prove she is unfit. which I know one that did two years after the fact. that is wrong. she leaves and the man is stuck with the bills?
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You are talking about man's laws. I asked for scripture.
 
jasonc said:
that is for another topic. it also depends on whether he left or wants the divorce. also to consider if she can work. there is some issues to consider.
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Right, the details of that subject belong in another thread. The point for this thread is certain responsibilities come with marriage, some of which are actually very unfair and unjust, but ones that should be taken on through an officially recognized marriage, not just by having sex.

In regard to the unfairness of marriage laws I've come to the conclusion that instead of not getting married, only marry a woman you love enough that the unfairness doesn't matter if it does happen.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Right, the details of that subject belong in another thread. The point for this thread is certain responsibilities come with marriage, some of which are actually very unfair and unjust, but ones that should be taken on through an officially recognized marriage, not just by having sex.

In regard to the unfairness of marriage laws I've come to the conclusion that instead of not getting married, only marry a woman you love enough that the unfairness doesn't matter if it does happen.
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I cant say i disagree. the laws of divorce are never perfect. it wasn't perfect then and it aint much better now.
 
jasonc said:
lewis, your position implies the rape victim is sinning. there are saved married person that are raped. is that adultery then if they are raped. and notice that not all sex acts have vaginal penetration.
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That is not what I said at all Jason
 
Lewis said:
That is not what I said at all Jason
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you said that if a person has sex, with another its marriage. a rape victims is married to her assailant because that. i took that to the logical conclusion of that if a married devout Christian or sinner that isn't an adulterer is raped that she or he must repent of a sin.

you did say that men do consent to prostitution and that act bonds them. that doesn't happen in rape. there is no money exchanged, consent, or emotions that are pleasurable for both.

the act of selling oneself for money is another matter.
 
the reason i say that is that my first person i had sex with was with a married woman. so was it the act of fornication or adultery that i must repent of? you are assuming that all rape victims are single. they aren't. so they cant be "married" to their victim.
 
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