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Master Jesus or "Lord Jesus"? Message Bible omissi

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The Message "Bible" Omits "Lord Jesus"

The King James Bible refers to Jesus as "Lord Jesus" about 115 times. The New King James Bible uses this term about the same amount of times and the New American Standard about 100 times. How many times does Eugene Peterson's The Message use the phrase "Lord Jesus"? None! Not once. Never! (Check it out at ( http://www.biblegateway.com )

What The Message does refer to Jesus 77 times is the title "Master Jesus." This is a New Age term. Warren Smith discusses this in his book, Deceived on Purpose:The New Age Implications of The Purpose Driven Church. If you haven't read this book, we strongly encourage you to do so.

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/themessage.htm
 
Plenary Verbal Inspiration

I was listening to Dr. J. Vernon McGee on the radio and I heard him explain what Verbal Plenary Inspiration was. I heard him say that the words are inspired.

I thought he said that the ideas were not inspired but just that the words were.

I thought about it and the NIV is a thought for thought translation (and some say an interpretation) and not a word for word translation.

"For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD."-Isaiah 55:8 If you are trying to have a thought for thought translation, how can you communicate thoughts that are not God's thoughts when you aren't going word for word?

This would leave paraphrases as helpful and edifying to some but mainly uninspired if it is true then all the ideas are not inspired. I'm still trying to figure this out so I do not have a position on it because a lot of people do not study or know what verbal plenary inspiration is.
 
I do not know what verbal plenary inspiration is. But what I did get from this post is that the words where inspired but the thoughts were not.

Don't you think it would be the other way around? Wouldn't God inspire an idea or thought in someone and then allow them to write it, maybe guiding their words through the process.

I personally Don't think that most versions of the Bible are "wicked" so to speak. Although I have seen some explanations that are. I think that God inspired the writers with the ideas and they put their words down on paper. Translated those words into a new easier to read edition shouldn't be a problem as long as the ideas are not altered or changed.

I am just trying to wrap my mind around this a bit. Do you guys have more information on it?
 
"The First and great mark of one who corrupts the word of God, is, introducing into it human mixtures; either the errors [heresies] of others, or the fancies of his own brain."-John Wesley

I think that ^ is something John Wesley could say about "The Message" because John Wesley originally said it. "The Message" looks like a human mixture by making a bible read like a newspaper.

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book: If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the Book of Life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book"
-Revelation 22:18-19

This verse doesn't just talk about the book of Revelation but this concept runs throughout the whole Bible and if God feels differently than the translators, then the translators are in trouble.

The Message may be helpful but is it up to God's standards? The words are not exactly the same because it is a paraphrase that is half commentary and half paraphrase. If someone knows where the word of God ends and the commentary begins then we know what is what. The power of God that is able to work in other people's lives is described as "the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls." (James 1:21). If the words are changed from inspired words from the Greek to a word that is not a direct equivalent to what God said then does words that God hasn't said have power to change a person? The answer is found in Psalm 127:1 which says,†Except the Lord build the house, they labour in vain that build it:.." Unless the Lord's exact words are translated then those who translate, translate in vain and those who look to God to work through words He didn't write would not find answers and that is why God pronounces judgment to those who add or take away from God's books and it is a theme that runs throughout the Bible and not just in Revelation 22:18. When we look to answers from the Word of God, it has to be what God said and not what another person said.

What I do think is that historians would argue that the King James and other earlier translations were the only Bibles behind mass revival such as the Reformation and explanation for the Bible Belt in America. Someone would need to explain to me the difference between what the newer manuscripts/translations are doing because fewer people are literate in God's word and sin is abounding in the last days.
 
One person wrote:

"The MSG reads, 'God abhors the violent dismemberment of the one flesh.'
I just like that strong language for getting certain points across."

I wrote: If The Message reads "violent dismemberment" for divorce then does that mean that God is ok with divorce if they are amicable in their agreements to divorce one another using respect?
 
What was neglected here is the word Master is used 72 times in the KJ. Most do refer to Jesus.

The Message ws never intended to be a real Bible or replacement for a good, literal translation. It is far better that the new NIVs coming out.

I'm not defending the Message. It isn't a study Bible and was never considered as such. It does have it's place though. This passage hit home when I first read it:

James 4:7-10 (The Message)

7-So let God work his will in you. Yell a loud no to the Devil and watch him scamper.
8-Say a quiet yes to God and he'll be there in no time. Quit dabbling in sin. Purify your inner life. Quit playing the field.
9-Hit bottom, and cry your eyes out. The fun and games are over. Get serious, really serious.
10-Get down on your knees before the Master; it's the only way you'll get on your feet.
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How about this one vic?

1 Samuel 15:3 (The Message)

3Here's what you are to do: Go to war against Amalek. Put everything connected with Amalek under a holy ban. And no exceptions! This is to be total destruction--men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys--the works.'"

"The Works!" lol...... :wink:
 
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