Mat 7:21 - 23 Who are these doing things in His name yet out

[Bugala]

There is one place in Bible that have been confusing me a lot lately, sicne it seems like its contradicting other places in bible:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Now who are these people who have performed miracles in Jesus name, yet Jesus doesnt know them?

For

1.
Act 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

This place suggests, that you cant cast out demons, unless you have "license" from God first to do so. Yet in the verses in question in this topic, it says these people indeed DID perform miracles in His name (supposedly then also driving out demons), yet in the end Jesus says He doesnt know them?

So were they Real Christians at one point and then they turned away from Christ at some point?

But why do these people seem so surprised that they performed miracles in His name and are still not known? For if i perform even million miracles today, and then for next 50 years do nothing but rape children, kill people, drink, lie and steal, then im not surprised if Jesus doesnt know me 50 years later?

For it sounds to me that these people are defending themselves against accusation by saying that "you proved yourself working through us by those miracles happening in your name".


2.
Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

if they performed those miracles in Jesus name (which applies to me they were performed by God then), then if they despite that were not performed by God, then by what were they performed by?

For doesnt this suggest Demons cant cast out Demons? So is there any other option for those miracles to having happened but by God? And then why doesnt He know them anymore in the end?


Anyone having any explanation for these verses and to what those people are that are performing mircales in His name yet are not known by Jesus.

 

[Pard]

It is like Judas, he worked in the name of Jesus, and yet he was obviously not a man of the Lord. Be wary of the false converts. People who do not truly know the Lord.

Can I not do something in your name and yet you do not condone what it is that I do? I could send a check to the GSA in your name, and perhaps you are very much against the GSA, yet it is still being sent in your name.

That's my basic understanding, without doing any deep soul-searching. Right now, I am having a problem because I feel that I read that verse just yesterday, but I cannot remember where or when!

 

[veteran]

There is one place in Bible that have been confusing me a lot lately, sicne it seems like its contradicting other places in bible:

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Now who are these people who have performed miracles in Jesus name, yet Jesus doesnt know them?

For

1.
Act 19:13 Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Act 19:14 And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.
Act 19:15 And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

This place suggests, that you cant cast out demons, unless you have "license" from God first to do so. Yet in the verses in question in this topic, it says these people indeed DID perform miracles in His name (supposedly then also driving out demons), yet in the end Jesus says He doesnt know them?

So were they Real Christians at one point and then they turned away from Christ at some point?

But why do these people seem so surprised that they performed miracles in His name and are still not known? For if i perform even million miracles today, and then for next 50 years do nothing but rape children, kill people, drink, lie and steal, then im not surprised if Jesus doesnt know me 50 years later?

For it sounds to me that these people are defending themselves against accusation by saying that "you proved yourself working through us by those miracles happening in your name".


2.
Mar 3:22 And the scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils.
Mar 3:23 And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
Mar 3:24 And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Mar 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Mar 3:26 And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.

if they performed those miracles in Jesus name (which applies to me they were performed by God then), then if they despite that were not performed by God, then by what were they performed by?

For doesnt this suggest Demons cant cast out Demons? So is there any other option for those miracles to having happened but by God? And then why doesnt He know them anymore in the end?


Anyone having any explanation for these verses and to what those people are that are performing mircales in His name yet are not known by Jesus.

That is a Message of warning from our Lord especially to those who believe on Him.

Important to read our Lord's parable of the ten virgins, which is about that especially. He shuts the door on five of them that were foolish. Also about the unprofitable slothful (lazy) servant that buried what The Lord had given him to work for Him with.

The ten virgins parable has several Biblical metaphors that were first given back in the Old Testament prophets. That's where our Lord Jesus was pulling from about the idea of spiritual virgins, the lamps and oil, the hour of midnight, and what it means for the five foolish virgins being told to go to market to try and buy the oil.

The time setting is given with the call at midnight to go out and meet the Bridegroom. Midnight is put for the hour of Christ's coming, and the time of their slumber and sleep is just prior to Christ's coming. So the message is about being prepared for the time of Christ's return to meet His Bride (The Church). And what kind of things are going to be happening on this earth just PRIOR to Christ's coming? What especially does their sleep and slumber represent just prior to His coming? Paul showed the deceived will be 'drunken in the night' and 'sleep in the night' (1 Thess.5). Paul also showed in Rom.11 God has put upon many the "spirit of slumber" (lethargic minds) for their rebelliousness. It means those are prepared for deception away from Christ.

The idea that we are 'virgins' to Christ is in the spiritual sense. We've been betrothed to one Husband Apostle Paul said (2 Cor.11, pulling from Isaiah 54). When Israel in Old Testament times rebelled against God, and went spiritually whoring after false gods, God used applied the idea of a spiritual harlot, falling away from Him. The full 'virgin' Bible metaphor is very deep, but simple to understand. Our Lord used it just like how people do adultery against a betrothed spouse.

The oil and lamps represent God's Truth by The Holy Spirit. It's about listening to The Holy Spirit within God's Word to know the Truth, and thus be sealed away from deception. It about having a love of the Truth. Having a spare vessel of that oil is about watching the times and the seasons leading up to Christ's return so as to not be deceived.

Luke 21:34-36
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
(KJV)

Christ's coming is not to take us by surprise (Rev.16:15; 1 Thess.5).

Our Lord Jesus gave us prophecy of a false messiah coming first, prior to His return, and told us to not believe on that false one which many will say is Christ (Matt.24:23-28). That's the "another beast" of Rev.13 that is to work great wonders and miracles on earth in the sight of men. The five foolish virgins are not prepared to thwart that deception by the coming false messiah. That's what the great falling away is about Paul taught in 2 Thess.2. Being deceived in the last days is not a sign of having a spare vessel of the oil.

In the parable, when the five foolish virgins awaken at the call of the Bridegroom's coming, their lamps have gone out. That's about falling away to the cares and ways of this world, not staying on watch to keep from being deceived. They ask to borrow oil from the five wise virgins, and are told to go to the market and buy... the oil. Problem is, understanding in God's Word by The Holy Spirit cannot be bought. Either we listen to our Lord in His Word, or we listen to man. Attending a Church is a start, but is not enough by itself. We must personally seek The Lord and do what He says, and not what man says, and not what the world says.

Picture in your mind how our Lord Jesus will feel when He returns to discover five of His virgins fell in spiritual harlotry to another by not waiting on Him. Our God is a jealous God, as written. That's why He will shut the door on those five foolish virgins, and say something like, 'get away from Me, I don't know you.' If we follow what man says to do instead of Him in His Word, then what should we expect Him to do? Bowing in worship to a false one in His place is about doing works of iniquity. It's one of the worst works of iniquity we could ever do against Him.

Even today, there are many false doctrines among the Churches designed to hide that Message of a coming false messiah playing Christ. If your Church is not teaching the full Message of the ten virgin parable our Lord gave, you should be wondering just which group of virgins they represent, the five wise ones, or the five foolish ones. If you've never heard this Message to this depth before, most likely you're in a Church that is aligned with the five foolish virgins, which is not preparing you to make a stand for Christ through the coming tribulation.

Mark 13:34-37
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch.
(KJV)

 

[Logos57]

Amen great post Veteran, got some good meat from that. I think this is also a warning to those who make a profession of Christ, but show no fruits of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). People calling themselves christians but they hate others. (I John 4:20-2; Matthew 22:37-40)

When we read of the parable of the Sower (Matthew 13:3-23; Mark 4:1-20; and Luke 8:4-15) We see four different types of seed and only one is good seed, plus there is another one or two that appears to be good seed but aren't. From Luke's Gospel 8th chapter we read of the two types of seeds appearing to be good but weren''t, first the seeds that fell upon a rock, "(6) And some fell upon a rock: and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. ... (13) They on the rock are they which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. IMPO these are people who seem to us to be saved, but are not (so in our eyes they know the Lord, but Jesus will say to them He never knew them--or in other words to man they have lost they salvation, but God never knew them--I John 2:19)
I also believe this next type of seed is very similiar to the seed upon the rock. (7) and some fell among thorns: and the thorns sprang up with it and choked it. ... (14) And that which fell among throns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. These are spoken of in Hebrews 6:1-8

But also, in this 8th Chapter of Luke we read, of a good seed: (8) And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when He had said these things, He cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. ... (15) But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. These of course are true saints(I Thessalonians 1:3-10)