Growth Mathematical proof of God

[Angela888]

Mathematical proof of God !


This is one of the simplest and most powerful proofs of God there is – no one with any ability to reason could say there isn’t a God after reading this !


A simple equation:


2% + 2% = 4%



2% of Carbon + 2% of Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide (CO2)


1% of Carbon + 1% of Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide


0% of Carbon + 0% Oxygen = Nothing


So what does this mean ?


This means, that according to simple maths, 1 + 1 = 2, ergo 1% + 1% = 2%


Forgetting ‘evolution’ arguments for now, How did the Universe begin ?


How could matter have been created ?


If 1% of matter (or even anti-matter, or dark matter or any substance or sound wave or light wave or anything) + 1% of something else could possibly in a 10 to the power of infinity chance create a ‘Big Bang’, which then in turn would create in astronomically impossible odds the world, the galaxies and the solar systems, then it must be understood that:


0% of matter (sound waves, light waves or anything) + 0% of anything = Nothing


ABSOLUTE 0% of ANYTHING


There is no point of origin for the creation of Anything – it is scientifically impossible to create anything (to cause the Big Bang) from Nothing !


It is mathematically impossible to create 1+% from 0% + 0%


ACCORDING TO EVERY SCIENTIFIC LAW KNOWN TO EVERY BEING WITH THE ABILITY TO THINK - THERE COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A SUBSTANCE OF ANY KIND TO CREATE THE BIG BANG.


IF THERE WAS A SUBSTANCE TO CREATE THE BIG BANG – HOW WAS IT CREATED – ACCORDING TO MATHMATICS IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE 0% + 0% = 0% !


This leaves only one alternative:


A Creator ! Something, Someone outside of the laws of Science – that Created Scientific laws – A God – The most powerful Scientific Mind in the Universe !


This is absolute proof that there is a Creator


When people stand before the Judgment seat of God, all the Creator has to say to them is:


“Did you understand mathematics – even the simplest form of mathematics? Then you are without excuse ! ”


Because with this knowledge (the knowledge of what is created) it should prompt the person to genuinely seek if there is a God.


If you want to know If there is a God, please pray this prayer (You have nothing to lose by praying this prayer, except a few moments of your time, and it is wise, considering that the greatest gamble in life is whether there is a life after death or not !)


“God, I realize that the Universe is the greatest and most astounding thing in Creation, and I realize that there is every chance that it was Created, and not made by accident, so, if you are real, please show me in some way, whether through wisdom, understanding, miracle or anything. Please help me to understand how to obey you if you are truly the Creator.”


(Note: Sometimes the way of God is to work in the understanding of the person, as well as working out circumstances. Some are privileged to receive miraculous signs from God, and there are many testimonies of these things, one of the reasons God works like this is because God is trying to develop understanding for the person on a natural level.


The mystery of God – the language of God is FAITH – if all God had to do was prove to everyone through conventional means that He is the Creator – there would be absolutely no need for faith. The Lord has given everyone on the planet everything they need to at least have some level of faith: The Creation, Conscience, Emotion, Life, Understanding, and much more.)


Based on all the evidence, which is beyond overwhelming, for God, it would be unwise not to seek for some answers about who God is and the meaning of life !

 

[tim-from-pa]

Not sure if I fully endorse your math argument, but it would probably be better to approach the universe from a philosophical/ mathematical slant. Doing math equations presupposes a being who can think and rationalize. I don't believe there's anyone out there who denies that only a thinking, rational being (entity) can do math. Inanimate objects cannot. Therefore, that begs the question why inanimate objects in the universe behave according to a mathematical pattern that only a being can perceive and calculate? We know that matter out in space, for example are independent of human contact, yet this mindless form of matter or energy behaves the way it's expected ("rationally"). That implies thought, and thought implies a being. Since we are not the beings responsible for this thought-out pattern, something else must be.

Notice that's not a mathematical proof, but using the intrinsic definition of math to ask the philosophical question who? Also notice, even the deepest of scientists don't know what matter, time, dimensions and energy all are. It's more a matter of explaining everything in a relationship to another.

What I am saying is akin to Einstein who said, "The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible"

Also, my reasoning is akin to, "I think, therefore I am".

Whenever I talk with atheists, I often say to them if they are really honest with themselves, they are really agnostics -- not sure whether God exists or not. To claim the negative is just as dogmatic as claiming the positive.

Notice I did not say my reasoning proved there was a God, as that is in the realm of faith. I am reasoning that it supports the existence of God.

 

[Brother Mike]

Mathematical proof of God !


This is one of the simplest and most powerful proofs of God there is – no one with any ability to reason could say there isn’t a God after reading this !

The mystery of God – the language of God is FAITH – if all God had to do was prove to everyone through conventional means that He is the Creator – there would be absolutely no need for faith. The Lord has given everyone on the planet everything they need to at least have some level of faith: The Creation, Conscience, Emotion, Life, Understanding, and much more.)


Based on all the evidence, which is beyond overwhelming, for God, it would be unwise not to seek for some answers about who God is and the meaning of life !

Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
(Rom 1:19-21)

Good News Bible:
God punishes them, because what can be known about God is plain to them, for God himself made it plain. Ever since God created the world, his invisible qualities, both his eternal power and his divine nature, have been clearly seen; they are perceived in the things that God has made. So those people have no excuse at all!
(Rom 1:19-20)

Everyone has known, just by what is made around them. Like your math problem. Through not wanting to subject themselves to the one that made them, their heart became darkened and they became self deceived.

You can go to a junk yard, take 100 perfectly new Mercedes Benz. Set them in a pile and blow them up 1 billion times. At no point after the dust settles will there be even One complete Mercedes Benz made from all the 100 new complete ones.

Blessings.

 

[Edward]

Yeah. God has proved himself through His creation, and we have no excuse. There's too many 'coincidences' to ignore. What is it? The first law of thermodynamics? Entropy. Everything moves to disorder and you do not get order from disorder. The big bang, being an explosion would not have moved everything together, but apart. But if it was God's big bang, then it would.

And the earth is so finely tuned that it could absolutely not have been a random accident. There's too many finely tuned (designed) aspects of the world that life couldn't exist here if any of them were changed even a little. How far we are from the sun, how much the earth tilts, how much carbon dioxide is here, how thick the earths crust is, how much gravity that we have, all sorts of stuff. most of them are so sensitive so not only had to be created but have to be maintained. Who does that? Why, God does of course.

I'm not big on mathematics, but have heard some similar things and like your post, i think you're on the right track with it. We have no excuse.

 

[Boyce]

Mathematical proof of God !


This is one of the simplest and most powerful proofs of God there is – no one with any ability to reason could say there isn’t a God after reading this !


A simple equation:


2% + 2% = 4%



2% of Carbon + 2% of Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide (CO2)


1% of Carbon + 1% of Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide


0% of Carbon + 0% Oxygen = Nothing


So what does this mean ?


This means, that according to simple maths, 1 + 1 = 2, ergo 1% + 1% = 2%


Forgetting ‘evolution’ arguments for now, How did the Universe begin ?


How could matter have been created ?


If 1% of matter (or even anti-matter, or dark matter or any substance or sound wave or light wave or anything) + 1% of something else could possibly in a 10 to the power of infinity chance create a ‘Big Bang’, which then in turn would create in astronomically impossible odds the world, the galaxies and the solar systems, then it must be understood that:


0% of matter (sound waves, light waves or anything) + 0% of anything = Nothing


ABSOLUTE 0% of ANYTHING


There is no point of origin for the creation of Anything – it is scientifically impossible to create anything (to cause the Big Bang) from Nothing !


It is mathematically impossible to create 1+% from 0% + 0%


ACCORDING TO EVERY SCIENTIFIC LAW KNOWN TO EVERY BEING WITH THE ABILITY TO THINK - THERE COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN A SUBSTANCE OF ANY KIND TO CREATE THE BIG BANG.


IF THERE WAS A SUBSTANCE TO CREATE THE BIG BANG – HOW WAS IT CREATED – ACCORDING TO MATHMATICS IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE 0% + 0% = 0% !


This leaves only one alternative:


A Creator ! Something, Someone outside of the laws of Science – that Created Scientific laws – A God – The most powerful Scientific Mind in the Universe !


This is absolute proof that there is a Creator


When people stand before the Judgment seat of God, all the Creator has to say to them is:


“Did you understand mathematics – even the simplest form of mathematics? Then you are without excuse ! ”


Because with this knowledge (the knowledge of what is created) it should prompt the person to genuinely seek if there is a God.


If you want to know If there is a God, please pray this prayer (You have nothing to lose by praying this prayer, except a few moments of your time, and it is wise, considering that the greatest gamble in life is whether there is a life after death or not !)


“God, I realize that the Universe is the greatest and most astounding thing in Creation, and I realize that there is every chance that it was Created, and not made by accident, so, if you are real, please show me in some way, whether through wisdom, understanding, miracle or anything. Please help me to understand how to obey you if you are truly the Creator.”


(Note: Sometimes the way of God is to work in the understanding of the person, as well as working out circumstances. Some are privileged to receive miraculous signs from God, and there are many testimonies of these things, one of the reasons God works like this is because God is trying to develop understanding for the person on a natural level.


The mystery of God – the language of God is FAITH – if all God had to do was prove to everyone through conventional means that He is the Creator – there would be absolutely no need for faith. The Lord has given everyone on the planet everything they need to at least have some level of faith: The Creation, Conscience, Emotion, Life, Understanding, and much more.)


Based on all the evidence, which is beyond overwhelming, for God, it would be unwise not to seek for some answers about who God is and the meaning of life !

I'm not sure if we are allowed to post links on this site but you should copy and past this to Youtube:

THE AMAZING FIRST VERSE OF THE BIBLE - You MUST see this film!

 

[Kathi]

Why do we have to have any proof of God?Where is our faith?

 

[Obadiah]

While I haven't had time to read the voluminous information given by Angela888, much less analyze or study it, I think the idea is to try to prove God's existence to non-believers who have no faith to begin with. But if that's the purpose, I have to admit I'm skeptical as to the value of it.

Personally I've never known anyone who testifies that they came to the Lord because His existence was scientifically proven to them. Most just use these kind of things as an excuse to argue their own point of view for the pleasure of trying to win a debate. Even if and when they lose, they still just walk away without actually accepting Christ. Maybe not every non-believer, but certainly everyone I've ever seen engaged in these kind of "proof of God" discussions.

Even scripture tells us most people won't believe as the result of proof. In the gospel of John there is an account of a large crowd of people Jesus spoke to, and during this time Jesus asked God the Father to glorify His name. So God literally spoke audibly from heaven for them all to hear: "...Then a voice came from heaven: 'I have glorified it, and I will glorify it again.'" (John 12:28b, ESV). Not only did these people audibly hear the voice of God Himself from heaven, but they were seeing Jesus face to face and many of them had also seen Jesus perform unquestionable miracles first hand. Yet John tells us that; "Though he had done so many signs before them, they still did not believe in him" (John 12:37, ESV). So when people who saw Jesus face to face in human form, saw the miracles first hand, and literally heard God the Father speak from heaven and they still wouldn't believe, I doubt there is any kind of "proof" that will convince very many non-believers today.

As a matter of evangelism and in my efforts to do my part in fulfilling the great commission, I find it much more effective to rely on the words of Jesus when he said "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." (John 6:44a, ESV)

 

[TOG]

Mathematical proof of God !

While I agree with your conclusion that the world could not have come into existence without God, your math needs a little work. Percentages can be confusing and most people don't know how to use them properly, so I'd leave them out of it. Also you need to brush up on your chemistry.

2% of Carbon + 2% of Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide (CO2)


1% of Carbon + 1% of Oxygen = Carbon Dioxide

Not true. Carbon dioxide is 1/3 (33.33%) carbon and 2/3 (66.67%) oxygen, not equal parts of each.

A much better way, imho, of saying the same thing would be to skip the math and chemistry altogether and focus instead on simple logic. You can't finish a process that hasn't started. All the theories we have about things like the evolution of life, the formation and evolution of stars and even the formation and evolution of the universe all assume that the process has already started. Even theories about the Big Bang don't go all the way back, but "only" to a point a few millionths of a second after the Big Bang, and then try to explain the evolution of the universe from that point on.

The first and second laws of thermodynamics are two of the most basic laws in physics. Together, they prove that matter had a beginning. There was a point some time in the past when matter did not exist. Einstein's famous law, E=MC² shows that matter and energy are two forms of the same thing, so energy also had a beginning, and it was the same as the beginning of matter. Before this point when matter and energy came into existence, there was nothing and, as you correctly point out, nothing can come from nothing. Without some outside influence, the Big Bang never could have taken place, the universe could never have evolved, the solar system would never have been formed, the earth would never have existed and life could never have evolved on the earth. In other words, since it is impossible for the process to have started, it could never have finished.

The TOG​

 

[Edward]

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Personally I've never known anyone who testifies that they came to the Lord because His existence was scientifically proven to them. Most just use these kind of things as an excuse to argue their own point of view for the pleasure of trying to win a debate. Even if and when they lose, they still just walk away without actually accepting Christ. Maybe not every non-believer, but certainly everyone I've ever seen engaged in these kind of "proof of God" discussions....

I never thought of that before brother. I bet you're right! Doh!

Chuck Missler does a two part video on youtube called "Beyond Coincidence", and...it's good. It blows evolution right out of the water. It's more of a scientific presentation than spiritual, and he presents a lot of facts about the earth (and scriptures!). It's worth a look.

 

[Lewis]

Yeah. God has proved himself through His creation, and we have no excuse. There's too many 'coincidences' to ignore. What is it? The first law of thermodynamics? Entropy. Everything moves to disorder and you do not get order from disorder. The big bang, being an explosion would not have moved everything together, but apart. But if it was God's big bang, then it would.

And the earth is so finely tuned that it could absolutely not have been a random accident. There's too many finely tuned (designed) aspects of the world that life couldn't exist here if any of them were changed even a little. How far we are from the sun, how much the earth tilts, how much carbon dioxide is here, how thick the earths crust is, how much gravity that we have, all sorts of stuff. most of them are so sensitive so not only had to be created but have to be maintained. Who does that? Why, God does of course.

I'm not big on mathematics, but have heard some similar things and like your post, i think you're on the right track with it. We have no excuse.

You go Bro