Mistaken identity of Jesus 3

[Elvispelvis]

Mistaken identity of Jesus 3


The Bible is full of verses that speak of the rejection of Jesus. Many think at His return that 600 million Christians will be excepted. However in Matt 7 ( Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? ) we are told that the many are rejected, He say I never knew you.
They claim to have done wondorous works in the name of Jesus, what does He say I never knew you, and they are cast out

If we look closely we see Jesus explains why He rejects anybody.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Why did they get it wrong, He plainly tells them you do not know your old testament.. The sriptures here had to mean the old testament because the new testament was not written yet. He condems them for thier lack of knowledge of the old testament, how is your knowledge of the old testament.
So lets analyse who this group of rejected ones are.. Could they be Jews? well no Jew would ever claim to have preached Jesus. That lets them out.

Could it be Jehovahs Witnessess They dont claim to have done wondorous works, or cast out devils in Jesus name so thats lets them of the hook.
Could it be all the rest of the Muslims one billion Muslims in the world. They would never claim to preach in Jesus name so it cant be them .
This large group that are rejected tell us alot about themselves . They claim to have done these things in Jesus name so they must be Christians. They claim to have cast out demons, a claim only made by Christians.
They claim to have prophesied in Jesus name only Christians would claim that. They claim to have done wondorous works in the name of Christ only Christians would make such a claim. How can all these Christians be rejected/ THE MISTAKEN IDENTITY OF JESUS (the Jew)
Although it is hard to admit there are Christians who dislike the Jews for killing Jesus. They will not bow down to a Jew ever.
Isa 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel. >br> Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
As we have seen in the sciptures the nations refuse to bow to a Jew and attack Israel.

Isa 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
. Here the verse tells us their has been a vail covering the eyes of all the nations, THE MISTAKEN IDENTITY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Once the vail is lifted they look on Him who they pierced and mourning begins, for they now see what they have done to Jesus the son of God.
Zep 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination [is] to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, [even] all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

To be continued...

. May God bless your study of His Holy Bible

 

[Strangelove]

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees and Sadducees, who had forsaken the Word of God and were following their own oral torah and traditions. The godless talmud.

 

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Mistaken identity of Jesus 3


The Bible is full of verses that speak of the rejection of Jesus. Many think at His return that 600 million Christians will be excepted. However in Matt 7 ( Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? ) we are told that the many are rejected, He say I never knew you.
They claim to have done wondorous works in the name of Jesus, what does He say I never knew you, and they are cast out

If we look closely we see Jesus explains why He rejects anybody.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Why did they get it wrong, He plainly tells them you do not know your old testament.. The sriptures here had to mean the old testament because the new testament was not written yet. He condems them for thier lack of knowledge of the old testament, how is your knowledge of the old testament.
So lets analyse who this group of rejected ones are.. Could they be Jews? well no Jew would ever claim to have preached Jesus. That lets them out.

Could it be Jehovahs Witnessess They dont claim to have done wondorous works, or cast out devils in Jesus name so thats lets them of the hook.
Could it be all the rest of the Muslims one billion Muslims in the world. They would never claim to preach in Jesus name so it cant be them .
This large group that are rejected tell us alot about themselves . They claim to have done these things in Jesus name so they must be Christians. They claim to have cast out demons, a claim only made by Christians.
They claim to have prophesied in Jesus name only Christians would claim that. They claim to have done wondorous works in the name of Christ only Christians would make such a claim. How can all these Christians be rejected/ THE MISTAKEN IDENTITY OF JESUS (the Jew)
Although it is hard to admit there are Christians who dislike the Jews for killing Jesus. They will not bow down to a Jew ever.
Isa 60:14 The sons also of them that afflicted thee shall come bending unto thee; and all they that despised thee shall bow themselves down at the soles of thy feet; and they shall call thee, The city of the LORD, The Zion of the Holy One of Israel. >br> Rom 14:11 For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
As we have seen in the sciptures the nations refuse to bow to a Jew and attack Israel.

Isa 25:7 And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
. Here the verse tells us their has been a vail covering the eyes of all the nations, THE MISTAKEN IDENTITY OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
Once the vail is lifted they look on Him who they pierced and mourning begins, for they now see what they have done to Jesus the son of God.
Zep 3:8 Therefore wait ye upon me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for my determination [is] to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, [even] all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.

To be continued...

. May God bless your study of His Holy Bible

The 'explanation' of the scripture in question is FAR simpler than simply identifying a certain group or sect.

The reality IS that we ALL have SIN and ALL SIN is OF THE DEVIL, yes even IN CHRISTIANS.

So, in short EVERY CHRISTIAN will have that statement spoken TO THEM because of the habitation of SIN which same is OF THE DEVIL.

The STATEMENT therefore is to DEVILS whom Jesus NEVER KNEW and NEVER WILL know.

They will be SEPARATED FROM mankind, the SHEEP and they as THE GOATS will be sent to the FLAMES.

It is THAT simple. Any view that deflects that statement of Jesus AWAY from themselves as believers and lays same upon another person is PATENTLY FALSE.

enjoy!

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[Strangelove]

It is THAT simple. Any view that deflects that statement of Jesus AWAY from themselves as believers and lays same upon another person is PATENTLY FALSE.

12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.​

Silly old Jesus eh Mr. Smaller?

What was He thinking of, warning us of the Pharisees??

Why bother? Whats the point?

He shoulda just said:

Beware ye of the leaven of the Devil within thyself, which is hypocrisy.

Would that have been better?

Enjoy your devil within!

Doc.

 

[Sinthesis]

Jesus is a Jew. Christians, by definition, bow to Him voluntarily. Regardless, all others will bow to Him at their judgment.:

Those "Christians" who spread the gospel via the tactics of Satan, no matter their perceived effectiveness, risk rejection by Jesus.

 

[Jus10]

Jesus is a Jew. Christians, by definition, bow to Him voluntarily. Regardless, all others will bow to Him at their judgment.:

I don't agree with calling Jesus a Jew. He is the benevolent King of heaven robed in glory and splendor. He is not defined by a race or culture, because He is the Creator of race and culture.
His ministry specifcally was to re-allign the worship of His chosen race because their focuses went from the heart of worship to the act of worship. His ministry was to also bring the gospel to the gentiles. Jesus being a Jew on earth is simply the race He chose for his 33 years of human existance, because the religious zealots wouldn't bother listening to the message of a gentile. He is not a Jew, He WAS born into the Jewish culture. There is a difference. So on the Day of Judgement, no body will be bowing to a Jew, "every knee will bow and every tongue will confess" to the King of Heaven. Every culture will bow to God.

Just saying.

 

[Drew]

I don't agree with calling Jesus a Jew.

I suggest that if we do not acknowledge the specific Jewishness of Jesus we do great damage to the entire tale of redemption we see from Genesis to Revelation.

I sugget this: In order for God's covenant with Israel to be honoured, Jesus has to be seen, yes, as the personal embodiment of Israel.

Consider the famous Isaiah 53 passage. Even though many have not investigated this, this is a text about Israel. So to see Jesus as its fulfillment, we need to understand Jesus as embodying the role of Israel.

The story hangs together only if the covenantal function of Israel has been understood to have devolved onto Jesus.

There is much more about this that could be said. I re-assert: Jesus's Jewishness is critical to understanding the broad plan of redemption we see in the Bible.

 

[smaller]

12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.​

Silly old Jesus eh Mr. Smaller?

What was He thinking of, warning us of the Pharisees??

Why bother? Whats the point?

He shoulda just said:

The 'actions' of a Pharisee are fairly simple to observe. Just read what Jesus said to them and compare ACTIONS, not the nation of origin.

A "pharisee" thumps his chest and says 'I AM JUSTIFIED' and 'YOU ARE NOT.' ...Even though we ALL have sin.

The man who bows his head under the fact of having SIN and being repentent for same, went to his home, justified in Truth.

You are free to observe that matter as one of nationality. I don't believe that nationality had much if anything to do about it.

Beware ye of the leaven of the Devil within thyself, which is hypocrisy.

Would that have been better?

I believe every sin is connected to the devil quite securely by 1 John 3:8, amongst other scriptures, yes. And where that influence is there is not just MAN alone, or nationality alone. There are powers of darkness that operate WITH and IN mankind, as clearly shown in the N.T. Gospels. Those powers are of the DEVIL.

You are welcome to make that disconnect and just see on the basis of nationality. I can't make that distinction. All have sin and sin is OF THE DEVIL.

enjoy!

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[Thranduil]

I actually had to go back and re-read the OP after reading most of these responses to it.

Smaller; Your persistent belief that ALL sin is of the devil is absurd considering that sin entered the world through one man Adam. Adam being man, sinned of his own free will, his own decision. The deception that was offered by Satan was an enticement to sin but the choice was Adam's and NOT forced upon him (even by Eve) and through Adam all die NOT Satan. Satan is a fallen angel and no where in scripture can you show me that sin entered the world through this angel; temptation to sin? Yes, absolutely, but not forced upon nor insidiously impregnated into mankind.

The OP points out that Jesus Christ is Lord and that MANY will call Him Lord and yet He will reject them. Those who call Him Lord are Christians and not Jews unless they are also falsely claiming to be His followers.

He who does the will of the Father is the true follower of Jesus.
He who subjects himself to the Lordship of Christ in truth (within his/her heart) is a true follower.

Those who call Jesus Lord and are rejected, are the same as those who reject the will of the Father. First the Jew and then the Greek (or gentile), who falsely claim the Name of the Lord as savior but in their heart are as the pharisee's and sadducees, hypocrites who have no room in their heart for the truth.

The false "miracles"; driving out demons and prophesying are self motivated ego driven "look at me I'm somebody" deceptions.

While so many say that to take the name of the Lord in vain is to curse; I'd say the scholars have over looked taking the Lord's Name in vain is actually a preconceived notion that they can save themselves by claiming to be Christians without their heart truly committed to the truth that is in Christ. To claim to be born again and yet Jesus Never Knew them, never filled them with the promised Holy Spirit, never sealed them for the day of redemption.

The continued debates and arguments concerning Jews and Christians is nothing but a statement of naive understanding that over looks Paul's entire testimony about how the Jews and gentiles are made one in Christ. One body, one family, one faith, one vine, ONE FATHER.

While I do maintain that Satan is very powerful in relation to us and this world, I also understand he is nothing but a leashed dog to God; and a short leash he has. Satan is NOT responsible for sin. Satan is responsible for temptation to sin and nothing more,

YOU! Each and every one of you, are responsible for your sin, for you chose and sometimes continue to choose BY YOUR OWN FREEWILL to do so. It is for this very reason, and more so because of His unprecedented LOVE for us, that Jesus Christ died.

To Him be ALL glory and honor and power forever. Amen.

 

[smaller]

I actually had to go back and re-read the OP after reading most of these responses to it.

Smaller; Your persistent belief that ALL sin is of the devil is absurd

Sorry, that is a simple scriptural fact. We'd have to re-write the text to eliminate that connection.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil;

That connection is WHY I believe 'every believer' will hear those Words of Jesus from the opening thread (Matt. 7) spoken to 'that working' in them all who remain here at that time.

There is no disconnect available in this matter.

considering that sin entered the world through one man Adam. Adam being man, sinned of his own free will, his own decision.

So says you. I don't see it that way whatsoever. Adam's sin was no different in this connection. If you want to read more, hook up on the 'What if Adam Never Sinned' thread in Apologetics.

The deception that was offered by Satan was an enticement to sin but the choice was Adam's and NOT forced upon him (even by Eve) and through Adam all die NOT Satan.

Don't know that that bolded part has to do with anything quite frankly.

The matters of Adam/Eve are vastly more interesting than what you observe. Protology is an interesting field of study filled with many great connections.

Satan is a fallen angel and no where in scripture can you show me that sin entered the world through this angel;

Satan was 'never' once holy and then gone sour by 'bad moral choices.' That is nowhere in the text. IF you truthfully admit that at a minimum, temptation is placed IN MIND by satan then freewill is instantly off the table in any case because in the MIND there are now TWO separate wills. That of the man and also the devil in the insertion of temptation. Identification of who is doing what at that point and only blaming man is a logical impossibility. IF the commitment of SIN IS OF THE DEVIL and TEMPTATION is also of the devil there is no 'eradication' of that entity available in matters of sin, from thought through to deed. It can't be done. There is no way to quantify or measure such activity.

temptation to sin? Yes, absolutely, but not forced upon nor insidiously impregnated into mankind.

Jesus advised us that where The Word is sown, then Satan enters to STEAL same. There is A SIN that is OF SATAN and NOT of the ones stolen from. If you believe Jesus, then this is just simple FACT for Adam. The sin of Adam did not transpire upon eating, but 'immediately' upon Satan's entry in him as The Word was sown IN Adam and the THIEF entered. It happens no differently today.

The OP points out that Jesus Christ is Lord and that MANY will call Him Lord and yet He will reject them. Those who call Him Lord are Christians and not Jews unless they are also falsely claiming to be His followers.

It's no different than Satan speaking through Peter or Satan entering Judas or the myriad of examples in the N.T. where devils are shown by Jesus to be IN PEOPLE.

IF believers SIN, (they do) and that SIN is connected to the DEVIL (it is) then I KNOW who will hear those Words of Jesus in Matt. 7 as that working of Satan is IN believers.

Just as the Pharisees had 'children of the devil' addressed in them, believers will be NO DIFFERENT.

He who does the will of the Father is the true follower of Jesus.

If your will was alone in these matters you'd have a point. I have not been able to RULE OUT either God or the devils from the will of man, and therefore do NOT consider MAN to be alone (not to mention the myriad of texts that show this to be a fact.)

He who subjects himself to the Lordship of Christ in truth (within his/her heart) is a true follower.

You can claim immunity on any basis you desire. That will not however hold up to the connections above when SIN comes to town.

Those who call Jesus Lord and are rejected, are the same as those who reject the will of the Father.

And that is your view. So be it. Have it. I simply do not rule out the DEVIL from 'believers sins' as I don't see that avenue available without the elimination of vast amounts of text confirming this matter, to the which even YOU confirm when Satan inserts TEMPTATION in mind. If you can't get to the 'commit' part that John speaks of, that is not my issue. There is no way to disconnect this matter FROM another entity that IS NOT MAN.

First the Jew and then the Greek (or gentile), who falsely claim the Name of the Lord as savior but in their heart are as the pharisee's and sadducees, hypocrites who have no room in their heart for the truth.

Jesus was abundantly clear. Where the Word is sown, Satan enters to steal. IF you say that doesn't happen to you, then you claim to see IN FULL, but of course we ALL see only in PART, meaning there is 'non-understanding' within ALL OF US.

The false "miracles"; driving out demons and prophesying are self motivated ego driven "look at me I'm somebody" deceptions.

Yeah, they said similar things when Jesus did it. Those mentioned in Matt. 7 are CLEARLY believers doing believers works. There is no getting around this matter.

There is only one place to go IF they are believers and that is to the other logical party that is connected to ALL SIN that is NOT THEM and whom Jesus NEVER knew.

While so many say that to take the name of the Lord in vain is to curse; I'd say the scholars have over looked taking the Lord's Name in vain is actually a preconceived notion that they can save themselves by claiming to be Christians without their heart truly committed to the truth that is in Christ. To claim to be born again and yet Jesus Never Knew them, never filled them with the promised Holy Spirit, never sealed them for the day of redemption.

Sorry, I don't see it that way at all. Paul had A DEVIL. Paul had EVIL PRESENT with him when he wanted to do good. (Romans 7:17-21) Paul described that working as NO LONGER I, yet those operations were WITHIN him regardless. There is the OTHER PARTY right there IN PAUL for those who can read. Were Paul alive at the moment of Matt. 7, he'd hear THE SAME WORDS spoken to THAT WORKING and that DEVIL upon himself. (2 Cor. 12:7) Those WORDS would be SPOKEN to that entity that WAS NOT PAUL as Gods child. It's not that hard to figure out T. Maybe a little personally offensive, but a fact. The pride that exists in man does NOT like to hear these matters.

Don't you even realize that it is the 'god of this world' that BLINDS THE MINDS of ALL unbelievers? Do you think they are ALONE then in their BLINDNESS? No. (2 Cor. 4:4)

The spirit of stupor or SLUMBER was also placed upon unbelieving Jews. (Romans 11:8-9) Are then then ALONE in their BLINDNESS? NO! The spirit of stupor IS NOT THEM but was PLACED upon them.

What happened to Adam after the Word of blessing was sown in him? Yeah, you guessed it...SLUMBER. Then THE LAW (which is btw for THE LAWLESS) etc etc. Adam was NOT alone there in his DUST body.

Bottom line is that what Jesus taught IS TRUE. Where the Word is sown SATAN enters to SIN by THEFT. That SIN is one of SATAN and not of the MAN.

I might quite LOOK FORWARD to hearing those Words of Jesus. Do you FEAR them? IF so, why? There is NO CONDEMNATION for those IN CHRIST. IF God in Christ is your Saviour there is NO WORD for YOU to fear. Perfect Love casts OUT fear. You would be THANKFUL that the CAUSE OF SIN in (you) will HEAR those Words. Even MORE thankful upon SEPARATION from that working and those beings sent to the LAKE of FIRE.

The continued debates and arguments concerning Jews and Christians is nothing but a statement of naive understanding that over looks Paul's entire testimony about how the Jews and gentiles are made one in Christ. One body, one family, one faith, one vine, ONE FATHER.

All believers only want the ROSY SIDE of the text. When we see the operations of SIN which same is OF THE DEVIL you might realize that believers carry a working in them to which EVERY BAD AND DIRE WORD is also FULLY APPLICABLE. I know, most are not used to reading that way, but it's just a FACT. It's EASY to believe only the GOOD STUFF. But we do carry workings of the devil that have CAUSE TO FEAR. Therein is the 'essence' of GODLY FEAR, which same we 'work out' our salvation WITH.

While I do maintain that Satan is very powerful in relation to us and this world, I also understand he is nothing but a leashed dog to God; and a short leash he has. Satan is NOT responsible for sin. Satan is responsible for temptation to sin and nothing more,

Sorry. John will have to take precedent over your view. The COMMITMENT OF SIN is also connected to the DEVIL quite securely. That is not going away.

YOU! Each and every one of you, are responsible for your sin, for you chose and sometimes continue to choose BY YOUR OWN FREEWILL to do so. It is for this very reason, and more so because of His unprecedented LOVE for us, that Jesus Christ died.

When you make the operations of the DEVIL who's will is NOT YOURS, RESPONSIBLE, you give me a call and let me know how it goes.

To Him be ALL glory and honor and power forever. Amen.

Amen. May God GIVE EVERY MAN exactly what THEY SOW to and HEAP upon OTHER PEOPLE. Even their UNBELIEVING neighbors.

There is only ONE measure of a believer. Those who love their neighbors as THEMSELVES. All others are controlled by the usurpers who WILL have their DAY OF WRATH. The captives WILL go free.

enjoy!

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[Strangelove]

You are welcome to make that disconnect and just see on the basis of nationality. I can't make that distinction. All have sin and sin is OF THE DEVIL

Really? where did I make that distinction?? Of nationality?

Nationality has nothing to do with anything.

In the verses we were discussing Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees. Followers of the anti-Biblical TALMUD. A false religious belief system is what they are.

That doesn't make them a nationality. That makes them HATERS OF GOD!

They are the Whore of Babylon as has been clearly proven many times on this forum.

And we are told to continue to BEWARE of them and their daughters right up to our times.

We recognise them in our times as the GLOBAL Zionist Lubivitch movement.

GLOBAL>>> Mr.SQUINT. No nationality. They transcend all boundaries. They incorporate ALL religions into their scheming. But they are the Mother Harlot.

 

[Strangelove]

IF you truthfully admit that at a minimum, temptation is placed IN MIND by satan then freewill is instantly off the table in any case because in the MIND there are now TWO separate wills. That of the man and also the devil in the insertion of temptation. Identification of who is doing what at that point and only blaming man is a logical impossibility. IF the commitment of SIN IS OF THE DEVIL and TEMPTATION is also of the devil there is no 'eradication' of that entity available in matters of sin, from thought through to deed. It can't be done. There is no way to quantify or measure such activity.

HUH!!? So we are all actually Schitzo's??

There is only ONE measure of a believer. Those who love their neighbors as THEMSELVES. All others are controlled by the usurpers who WILL have their DAY OF WRATH. The captives WILL go free.

Smaller. I wonder, if someone was lighting a fire under your neighbours house.....WOULD YOU WARN THEM??




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[smaller]

Really? where did I make that distinction?? Of nationality?

Nationality has nothing to do with anything.

In the verses we were discussing Jesus was rebuking the Pharisees. Followers of the anti-Biblical TALMUD. A false religious belief system is what they are.

The question Mr. SL is, HOW did they 'get there?'

There is today a virtual myriad and cornucopia of similar systems, just morphed into close proximity alternative forms, some of which are far more grandiose, externally speaking. Much different than they (Pharisee past or Talmud present) in any of the other forms? Read the practices of the Pharisees and you might see THE IDENTICAL BEHAVIOURS today, and not just in your voo-doo Talmud land. I won't bore you with the details, but one can read about the activities of the Pharisees and DEAD ON MATCH them to 'most' associated behaviours across the spectrums of christianity.

Looking at the systems is pointless. There is a BASELINE issue in play here that is WRITTEN OF and TAUGHT by Jesus and the Apostles in the New Testament.

Seems to be a recurring problem. That is why I say, HOW does that happen? To get at that, one has to look into these matters spiritually. And what then do we find? The universal and across the spectrum ISSUE that the New Testament tackles, that of INDWELLING SIN and it's actions and connections to THE DEVIL.

There is the BASELINE ISSUE. THAT is why the recurring problems. THAT operation is a FACT and a CONTINUNG FACT.

And that fact is why BELIEVERS will hear those WORDS of Jesus Christ upon His Return. And the DEVILS in men at that time WILL make the SAME WHINE they made in Jesus' Day in the Pharisees.....but but but LORD....! Don't send us out!

That doesn't make them a nationality. That makes them HATERS OF GOD!

They are the Whore of Babylon as has been clearly proven many times on this forum.

And we are told to continue to BEWARE of them and their daughters right up to our times.

The supposed 'warnings' you have been flashing have about ZERO to do with these matters. ANYWHERE that the Word is sown, SATAN enters the hearts. At that moment all your warnings amounted to NOTHING because the 800 lb.gorilla just walked into the room and you missed it. Did I happen to mention that he brought BLINDFOLDS along for his victims before EXECUTION?

What is it Mr. SL that MAKES THEM BLIND? Looking at the BLINDED today and seeing the results are nearly IDENTICAL to Pharisees MAY want to impel some to LOOK AT THE CAUSES of that BLINDNESS.

These are not people issues or 'talmud' issues, they are SPIRITUAL issues in contention with very very REAL SINNING powers that come INTO people who are EXPOSED to Word, as Jesus taught us all, who can LISTEN. These are 'personal' discoveries. It's NOT the 'other guys.'

We recognise them in our times as the GLOBAL Zionist Lubivitch movement.

GLOBAL>>> Mr.SQUINT. No nationality. They transcend all boundaries. They incorporate ALL religions into their scheming. But they are the Mother Harlot.

You can put up what you want. Obviously the ones you are so concerned with are not doing the works mentioned in the Matt. 7 scripture in question. They are BELIEVERS IN JESUS. The last time I talked with an ultra orthodox Jew most of them thought that the serpent in the Garden was a snake on the ground. They still don't even know that SNAKE is within the HEART. They remain SPIRITUALLY BLIND by GODS EXACT INTENTIONS. Read all about it in Romans 11:8-9 and find therein A SPIRIT OF SLUMBER that has been placed over THEM by God.

Why are you 'warning people' to beware of GODS OWN DIVINE ACTIVITY within and upon them?!

go figure.

s

 

[Thranduil]

Apparently the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden had Satan living in it.

Oh yes, and God planted it there and saw that it was good....Hmmmm!

Let's see how far we can twist this.

Those who own up the THEIR OWN sin committed by their OWN freewill will, and are known by God.

Those who seek a scapegoat (like Satan) will hear these words, "Away from me you evil doer, I never knew you".

 

[Sissy]

I suggest that if we do not acknowledge the specific Jewishness of Jesus we do great damage to the entire tale of redemption we see from Genesis to Revelation.

I sugget this: In order for God's covenant with Israel to be honoured, Jesus has to be seen, yes, as the personal embodiment of Israel.

Consider the famous Isaiah 53 passage. Even though many have not investigated this, this is a text about Israel. So to see Jesus as its fulfillment, we need to understand Jesus as embodying the role of Israel.

The story hangs together only if the covenantal function of Israel has been understood to have devolved onto Jesus.

There is much more about this that could be said. I re-assert: Jesus's Jewishness is critical to understanding the broad plan of redemption we see in the Bible.

I can see your connection.

Many people have no trouble seeing the Tabernacle of Israel, the sacrifices of Israel, the priesthood of Israel, etc. as being a prophetic "type" of Christ.
But for some reason they do not consider Israel itself as being a prophetic "type".

Your Isaiah 53 was a good example.

And the NT makes Israel a direct prophetic "type" of Christ.

Matthew 2
(15) And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son.
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The prophetic fulfillment of ....

Hosea 11
(1) When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.
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[Sissy]

Apparently the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden had Satan living in it.

Oh yes, and God planted it there and saw that it was good....Hmmmm!

Let's see how far we can twist this.

Those who own up the THEIR OWN sin committed by their OWN freewill will, and are known by God.

Those who seek a scapegoat (like Satan) will hear these words, "Away from me you evil doer, I never knew you".

Are you certain God planted that tree?
In the beginning we see the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Matthew 15
(13) But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
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In the end, we only see the tree of life.

 

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IF God decided for example at the instant that Satan spoke through Peter, that it was GAME OVER for the world, THEE END.

Would God at have, at that moment in time DAMNED Peter? Or would He have SAVED Peter and told Satan to pound bricks?

That's as simple as this observation needs to be.

The INSTANT anyone recognizes that there were in fact TWO SEPARATE identities IN the flesh man, Peter, then the question posed in the opening post is NOT quite so simple and NOT quite so FAST to JUDGE Peter.

Believers can spew whatever they like on who the 'supposed' bad believers are in Matt. 7, but if they are NOT cognizant of scriptural realities that ARE displayed in the Gospel and DO NOT SEE the other parties, I don't think such views are anywhere CLOSE to the 'only' answers because they DO NOT HAVE all the 'potential facts' on the table of their judgments.

I say cut PETER a break and get real with the facts of the other parties. Maybe God will show you MORE in this arena IF you are not likewise BLINDED by that party.

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Why are you 'warning people' to beware of GODS OWN DIVINE ACTIVITY within and upon them?!

Because I want to alert people to truth. If they embrace the truth then God will not send them delusion.

Why are you continuously protecting and defending the Synagogue of Satan? 2

It seems we have a few people here from JUDAICCHRISTIAN forum dont we?

Come to convince us all to embrace our hebrew roots eh?

Protecting rabbinic talmudism at every opportunity?

We know your game Mr. Squint.

Get behind me.

 

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Because I want to alert people to truth. If they embrace the truth then God will not send them delusion.

Delusion schmoozin. Do you not even know the SIMPLEST premise of the condition of an UNbeliever? I say this to your spirit of ERROR:

Unbelievers are BLINDED by the 'god of this world.' Do you seriously NOT know this? Do you seriously NOT see Satan as the BLINDER OF THOSE PEOPLE? Do you seriously think that it is their SYSTEM and NOT Satan?

Excuse me, but we obviously have different sights on these matters.

Why are you continuously protecting and defending the Synagogue of Satan? 2

I do not believe my fellow man is SATAN nor do I believe some other 'religious system' is SATAN.

It seems we have a few people here from JUDAICCHRISTIAN forum dont we?

You can 'seem' all the nonsense that you want. The LAW remains against the LAWLESS.

Is SATAN lawless? Is SATAN the 'lawless one?'

What do you have against the LAW that says DO NOT MURDER or COMMIT ADULTERY anyway? Is there a PROBLEM with that?

Come to convince us all to embrace our hebrew roots eh?

Protecting rabbinic talmudism at every opportunity?

We know your game Mr. Squint.

Get behind me.

Jesus is the WORD on these matters. Not Mr. Strange love.

Here is what JESUS said about EVERY WORD of God:

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Who did JESUS say this too?

Why, yes, SATAN.

enjoy!

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[Sinthesis]

Are you certain God planted that tree?
In the beginning we see the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Matthew 15
(13) But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
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In the end, we only see the tree of life.

Yes, God planted that tree.:yes

Gen 2:8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 - And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.​