Mistaken identity of Jesus 3

[Drew]

Here is what JESUS said about EVERY WORD of God:

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Who did JESUS say this too?

This again, eh?

Clearly it is not proper reasoning to take this as a precise general statement that every word that God ever spoke is in force for all peoples and for all time.

God gave many specific time-limited instructions. Are we to continue to slaughther the Amorites just because at some time in the past God instructed some person to do so?

The same thing applies to the Law of Moses - this text from Luke cannot, legitimately anyway, be used to suggest that the Law of Moses is still in force.

It most decidedly is not.

 

[Sissy]

Yes, God planted that tree.:yes

Gen 2:8 ¶ And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Gen 2:9 - And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.​

If you look closely, it says God made every tree in the garden to grow (not that He planted them).
God's sun and rain fall on the just and unjust alike.

We know that Satan was already in the garden.
And as the parable in Matthew 13 of the wheat and tares informs us, Satan has also planted seeds.

It's just another way of looking at it prophetically.
I'm not saying that this is the ONLY way to look at it.

 

[smaller]

This again, eh?

Accept that or deny that statement. I don't have to 'tamper' with it by my words or reasonings. It is written, therefore Those WORDS of God in Christ are SET and SEALED.

In some it is SET IN STONE and in some the understanding is SEALED and such can NOT nor are they ALLOWED to believe it.

Satan does NOT believe Jesus' Words.

Clearly it is not proper reasoning to take this as a precise general statement that every word that God ever spoke is in force for all peoples and for all time.

So sayeth Drew. So NOT sayeth Jesus. Reason will not reason away His Words but will in many cases seek to DESTROY same. That is what EVIL does IN man.

Fortunately IT IS WRITTEN and can not be changed by reason.

God gave many specific time-limited instructions. Are we to continue to slaughther the Amorites just because at some time in the past God instructed some person to do so?

You can seek to eradicate ALL the Words of God any way you please. I do not adhere to your desires. You can even take ONLY THE WORDS you 'like personally' and then REASON the BALANCE away.

The LAW is Spiritual and can not be reasoned away by men or devil. The Law is HOLY, JUST AND GOOD. The Law is GOOD when 'used' properly.

The same thing applies to the Law of Moses - this text from Luke cannot, legitimately anyway, be used to suggest that the Law of Moses is still in force.

Jesus said what He said. Paul does a fine job of reasoning and NOT throwing those same Words away.

It most decidedly is not.

The Law was written to be AGAINST ALL LAWLESSNESS in 'whomever' it is found, and every jot and tittle REMAINS active and living AGAINST all lawlessness.

Any 'believer' who ELIMINATES the 'holy, just, good and spiritual' would probably do themselves well to examine their hearts.

Lawlessness within does NOT LIKE to hear of these matters.

s

 

[Thranduil]

If you look closely, it says God made every tree in the garden to grow (not that He planted them).
God's sun and rain fall on the just and unjust alike.

We know that Satan was already in the garden.
And as the parable in Matthew 13 of the wheat and tares informs us, Satan has also planted seeds.

It's just another way of looking at it prophetically.
I'm not saying that this is the ONLY way to look at it.

God created ALL, there is no other creator. Genesis 1:11 And God said, let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
1:12......and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind...

Matthew 15
(13) But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.

Talk about taking scripture out of context, I think you've taken the cake with that.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of sin is death; and the strength of sin is the law.

More importantly in my point would be to say, the strength of sin is NOT Satan.

Study Romans chapter 7. Pay attention to verse 8: For apart from the law sin is dead...

Again, it does NOT say apart from Satan sin is dead.

Apparently too many are getting sin and Satan confused. It is understandable to a certain degree, but for all practical purposes, Satan and sin are two completely separate issues.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ did not die for my salvation from Satan. He died so I could be saved from sin. MY sin, not yours, not Satan's. My sin came upon me through Adam which is the Hebrew word for man.

Show me where scripture says sin entered the world through Satan. Or that we sin because of Satan.

Satan is the tempter, the accuser, but sin is disobedience to any and everything God commanded. My sin issue is between God and me, and for that reason His salvation issue is also between God and me. Satan has nothing to do with it. Separate issue all together.

This thread has at bare minimum brought out these truths that there is a distinct difference between sin and salvation, and Satan's sin against God.

Satan is a separate issue.

There is sin and salvation from it=issue number one. This is between God and man; has nothing to do with Satan.

There is Satan's sin against God= issue number two. This is between God and Satan: has nothing to do with man.

They appear to be intermingled because BOTH Satan and man happen to be here.

I sure hope some body gets this and it benefits at least one person. I'm grieved that Satan's deceptions and lies have created confusion between these issues; but isn't that just the perfect truth of Satan's lies? To get us thinking that his sin (Satan's) is why we are guilty and deserve to be condemned. What a mess.

 

[smaller]

There is no SEPARATION or EXTRACTION available between SIN and SATAN.

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil;

uh, that would be, er, ah, yeah, SATAN.

Satan INSERTS temptation in the MIND placing SATAN'S THOUGHTS in the MIND OF MAN. The SLAVE who commits SATAN's SIN desires placed in MIND, should they be OVERCOME by Satan then 'execute' by SATAN THOUGHTS therein, typically WORD of SIN. We see word of SATAN'S SIN as he speaks THROUGH Peter for example, or in the DEED of Peter when Peter was A PAWN of DENIAL of God. STILL CONTINUING, Satan, through that SIN to EXTERIOR ACTIONS.

The THOUGHT is THE SIN of SATAN. The ACTION is a SIN in the PAWN of Satan PROMPTED and walked through to COMMITTMENT WITH Satan as their SLAVE master through the WHOLE DEAL. There is no way to DIVIDE Satan from SIN and 'just blame the man' AS most seek to do. This too is OF SATAN. Sins are NOT COUNTED against MANKIND. (2 Cor. 5:19) They, SINS, ARE counted against THE DEVIL who is up to his eyeballs IN same.

There is no extrication of SATAN in the actions of his PAWNS or the THOUGHTS of his pawns 'in DIRECT RELATION to SINs committed as THOSE WHO COMMIT SIN ARE OF THE DEVIL!

Satan is ALSO proven to be WITHIN every person who is in deNIAL of ANY of Gods Words or in disobedience to THE SPIRIT.

IF there is any DOUBT that a christian can have EVIL PRESENT or A DEVIL, they need only look to Pauls factual statements in the matters.

He decried the EVIL PRESENT that was with him when he wanted to do good, as NOT being himself. This is A LAW that NONE escape.

Evil is present with us. That PRESENCE does not LEAVE so God can BLAME ONLY YOU while you 'commit sin.'

Romans 7:21
So I find this law at work: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me.

That EVIL is courtesy of ADAM who INgested that MEAL.

s

 

[Sissy]

God created ALL, there is no other creator.

We are not talking about "creating".
We are talking about "planting".

In the parable of the wheat & tares in Matthew 13, we learn that where God sowed, Satan also sowed.

When do you think that started?

 

[Elvispelvis]

Re:

Folks the subject was Mistaken identity of Jesus 3 since "smaller' hijacked my post I will begin again
with Mistaken num 4 in a new post.

 

[smaller]

Re:

Folks the subject was Mistaken identity of Jesus 3 since "smaller' hijacked my post I will begin again
with Mistaken num 4 in a new post.

yeah, we sure wouldn't want to closely examine anything outside of sect programming or even touch those matters would we EP?

Hijacking. Why don't you just backhand me?

Many 'sects' come with their pre-programmed positions in the expectations of recruitments and to make people slaves of their 'personally contrived' systems.

NONE of them want people who study the Word to provide ANY critique that does not 'fit their bill.'

Even in your next thread you decry people for NOT buying into 'christian SECTARIANISM.'

I'll put my response here to THAT matter.

The man on the street knows more than MANY christians, that GOD IS LOVE, not GOD IS 'X' version of Jesus, for which they are MANY.

MANY come saying "I AM JESUS" That is also a picture of SECTARIAN JESUS.