Just an observation not accusing anyone here.
Our age is characterized by the unfruitful works of darkness:
(Mostly cos we don’t listen to the church founded by Christ to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation Matt 28:19) (Christians must be taught matt 16:28-19 Matt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Lk 1:4 acts 8:31 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21 col 2:7)
Misunderstandings
Confusion
Division
Errors
False doctrine
Jn 8:32 “you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”!
So false doctrine keeps us in bondage!
Exodus 23:33
They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me: for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
False doctrine has the vices and snares of the devils built in!
Jn 8:32 you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free!
So false doctrine keeps us in bondage!
Part of the problem is a single word has many meanings and may mean something very different to different folks.
“Redemption” “revelation” are examples
Instead of accusing each other let us examine ourselves and see if our motive is the virtues of Jesus Christ, humility, meekness & charity Matt 11:29 or the vices of pride, presumption, and arrogance.
Motives
Humility or pride?
Obedience or disobedience?
Meek or arrogance?
Submission to proper authority or protest / rebellion?
Receive instruction or presumption?
Let us not violate the golden rule or the eighth commandment by bearing false witness or the virtues of Jesus Christ especially that of charity and Honesty.
Example:
Quote from St. Augustine
Praise of Mary redounds to the glory of God in Jesus Christ cos He is the source of grace. Jn 1:16-17 Lk 1:49
Really? Worship of Mary is worship of Jesus?
When I never said a word about worship, this is very dishonest. You shall know them by their fruits.
Especially when I already declared the facts that Mary is not God, and only God may be lawfully worshipped.
And that praise, honor, and veneration are not worship, worship requires a priest offering adoration, sacrifice etc.
Scripture demands that we praise and exalt Mary!
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
Praise of Mary does redound to the glory Christ, for she is not immaculate by nature but by His divine and powerful grace!
Other members read these post and are scandalized and their Pius ears are offended.
Please engage if you want but do so as an honest person who claims to be Christian or Christ-like.
The truth shall make you free, the opposite is also true: false doctrine shall keep you in bondage!
Misunderstandings
Example :
Christians are bound to believe both the “virgin birth” and that Joseph is the father of Jesus.
The Christian must practice the virtues of Jesus Christ and be endowed with gifts of spirit.
Wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, piety, fear of the Lord, and fortitude!
Virgin birth:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
(Only God can be born of a virgin)
Joseph the father of Jesus:
Lk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Jn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Luke 3:23
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
John 6:42
And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
How can this be, can you understand it? Can you explain it?
Spiritual blindness!
Example of Saul:
Saul thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously with correct faith!
But in reality was a spiritual tyrant!
Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem.
When the risen Christ appeared!
The blinding light of truth prevailed!
Scripture says Christians are to be of one mind and one heart having unity of faith!
Part of the problem is motives:
Are we acting from vices or the virtues of Jesus Christ?
Also what is faith?
Is it purely an emotion? If so then we only emote. Only have emotional responses.
If it is an intellectual ascent to a truth revealed by Christ and taught by holy mother church then we cannot have understanding without reason, thought, or thinking.
Emoting is much easier!
One man arguing from reason and logical conclusion cannot have unity and understanding with a man who only emotes!
Example:
Mary is the mother of God!
Any scripture, and reasonable arguments, and logical conclusion? No just emoting!
“God has no mother”!
A programed emotional reaction
Mary automatically means she is god, adored, & worshipped! Idolatry
So much so that someone created a new “fake” word for it!
Mary and idolatry and make a new word. Maryolatry!
Very dishonest and lacking the virtures of Jesus Christ and the gifts of the Holy Spirit!
Gifts of the Spirit
Wisdom:
Understanding:
Counsel:
Knowledge:
Piety:
Fortitude:
Fear of the Lord:
Our age is characterized by the unfruitful works of darkness:
(Mostly cos we don’t listen to the church founded by Christ to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation Matt 28:19) (Christians must be taught matt 16:28-19 Matt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Lk 1:4 acts 8:31 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21 col 2:7)
Misunderstandings
Confusion
Division
Errors
False doctrine
Jn 8:32 “you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free”!
So false doctrine keeps us in bondage!
Exodus 23:33
They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me: for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.
1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
False doctrine has the vices and snares of the devils built in!
Jn 8:32 you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free!
So false doctrine keeps us in bondage!
Part of the problem is a single word has many meanings and may mean something very different to different folks.
“Redemption” “revelation” are examples
Instead of accusing each other let us examine ourselves and see if our motive is the virtues of Jesus Christ, humility, meekness & charity Matt 11:29 or the vices of pride, presumption, and arrogance.
Motives
Humility or pride?
Obedience or disobedience?
Meek or arrogance?
Submission to proper authority or protest / rebellion?
Receive instruction or presumption?
Let us not violate the golden rule or the eighth commandment by bearing false witness or the virtues of Jesus Christ especially that of charity and Honesty.
Example:
Quote from St. Augustine
Praise of Mary redounds to the glory of God in Jesus Christ cos He is the source of grace. Jn 1:16-17 Lk 1:49
Really? Worship of Mary is worship of Jesus?
When I never said a word about worship, this is very dishonest. You shall know them by their fruits.
Especially when I already declared the facts that Mary is not God, and only God may be lawfully worshipped.
And that praise, honor, and veneration are not worship, worship requires a priest offering adoration, sacrifice etc.
Scripture demands that we praise and exalt Mary!
Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.
Praise of Mary does redound to the glory Christ, for she is not immaculate by nature but by His divine and powerful grace!
Other members read these post and are scandalized and their Pius ears are offended.
Please engage if you want but do so as an honest person who claims to be Christian or Christ-like.
The truth shall make you free, the opposite is also true: false doctrine shall keep you in bondage!
Misunderstandings
Example :
Christians are bound to believe both the “virgin birth” and that Joseph is the father of Jesus.
The Christian must practice the virtues of Jesus Christ and be endowed with gifts of spirit.
Wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, piety, fear of the Lord, and fortitude!
Virgin birth:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Matthew 1:20
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
(Only God can be born of a virgin)
Joseph the father of Jesus:
Lk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Jn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Luke 3:23
And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
John 6:42
And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
How can this be, can you understand it? Can you explain it?
Spiritual blindness!
Example of Saul:
Saul thought he was doing the will of God and acting righteously with correct faith!
But in reality was a spiritual tyrant!
Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,
2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.
13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem.
When the risen Christ appeared!
The blinding light of truth prevailed!
Scripture says Christians are to be of one mind and one heart having unity of faith!
Part of the problem is motives:
Are we acting from vices or the virtues of Jesus Christ?
Also what is faith?
Is it purely an emotion? If so then we only emote. Only have emotional responses.
If it is an intellectual ascent to a truth revealed by Christ and taught by holy mother church then we cannot have understanding without reason, thought, or thinking.
Emoting is much easier!
One man arguing from reason and logical conclusion cannot have unity and understanding with a man who only emotes!
Example:
Mary is the mother of God!
Any scripture, and reasonable arguments, and logical conclusion? No just emoting!
“God has no mother”!
A programed emotional reaction
Mary automatically means she is god, adored, & worshipped! Idolatry
So much so that someone created a new “fake” word for it!
Mary and idolatry and make a new word. Maryolatry!
Very dishonest and lacking the virtures of Jesus Christ and the gifts of the Holy Spirit!
Gifts of the Spirit
Wisdom:
Understanding:
Counsel:
Knowledge:
Piety:
Fortitude:
Fear of the Lord: