Misunderstood by modern Christendom.

[Alabaster]

Re: Misunderstood by "Orthodox/Catholic" Tradition

Friends, "Only Protestants properly relate to Mary as she really was". That is just bigotry and pride against the billions of other Christians who blessed the Ever-Virgin Mary Theotokos and Mother of God.

Actually the statement is pretty close to the truth, although there are some Protestant groups that still worship Mary.

Protestants fail to understand Mary and make her into a modern, sexually-liberated woman, and little more than a object for St. Joseph.

Haha! Are good wives considered objects by their husbands? LOL!!!!!

His role is her betrothed and the father of Jesus Christ, not as someone who needed to have relations with his wife.

He was betrothed, but guess what? He married Mary! He had a right to her body and she had a right to his!

It contributes nothing to the Christian Gospel to include a fleshly relationship in this context.

Is sex a sin, Scotty??

This is out of context. Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled.

Well, there's some truth!

But it is going too far to call Mary abnormal if she did not have relations with Joseph. It fails to take into account Matthew 19 and 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Corinthians 7. The unmarried state is also a covenant with God. Mary kept that kind of covenant.

So, Mary is normal to refuse sex with her lawful husband? That is abnormal! Mary did not make any covenant! You make things up.

PS The other children of Mary and Joseph is a modern tradition of men and will not stand the test of time and the testimony of the early Christian Church. They knew what they were talking about. Often we here in America think we know what we are talking about, and we wish to escape suffering and fall for pretribulation rapture teachings. So I was once in great ERROR about that!
I have learned from my mistakes.

It stands the test of time because it is BIBLICAL, and God's Word stands forever.

Geography has no influence on one knowing the truth! Your bias is showing.

 

[Scotth1960]

No one disputes the fact that Mary is the mother of the human Jesus even though she was not the “supplier†of His human soul. Nor is there any question that the man Christ Jesus was created human in body, soul and spirit


Dear Alabaster, That is the same teaching as the Arian Jehovah's Witnesses. They teach Jesus Christ, a man, is the firstborn creation, a creature, of "Jehovah God" (sic). Not at all! Jesus Christ is NOT CREATED. He is not a creature of God. He is uncreated and ETERNAL. The eternal Son of God, "the Only-begotten Son of God", begotten NOT MADE (Creed of Nicaea-Constantinople I, 381 AD). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Scotth1960]

Re: Misunderstood by "Orthodox/Catholic" Tradition

Actually the statement is pretty close to the truth, although there are some Protestant groups that still worship Mary.

Haha! Are good wives considered objects by their husbands? LOL!!!!!

He was betrothed, but guess what? He married Mary! He had a right to her body and she had a right to his!

Is sex a sin, Scotty??

Well, there's some truth!

So, Mary is normal to refuse sex with her lawful husband? That is abnormal! Mary did not make any covenant! You make things up.


It stands the test of time because it is BIBLICAL, and God's Word stands forever.

Geography has no influence on one knowing the truth! Your bias is showing.

Dear Alabaster, You are engaging in emotional reasoning. And my name is not mister or Scotty. It is simply Scott. I do my best to remain respectful toward you. Would that you would remain respectful toward me when you disagree. Your emotions get in the way. And no, sex is not a sin. Neither is ever-virginity. You are saying too much against Mary. She is not the same as every other woman. She is the mother of Christ, we should agree on that. As such, she is the Virgin Ark of the New Covenant. Her sole role is to bring Christ Saviour into the world. She was pure in heart, and knew no other mission but the salvation of sinners, not to be a wife for blessed Saint Joseph. In Erie PA Scott Harrington

 

[Alabaster]

No one disputes the fact that Mary is the mother of the human Jesus even though she was not the “supplier” of His human soul. Nor is there any question that the man Christ Jesus was created human in body, soul and spirit


Dear Alabaster, That is the same teaching as the Arian Jehovah's Witnesses. They teach Jesus Christ, a man, is the firstborn creation, a creature, of "Jehovah God" (sic). Not at all! Jesus Christ is NOT CREATED. He is not a creature of God. He is uncreated and ETERNAL. The eternal Son of God, "the Only-begotten Son of God", begotten NOT MADE (Creed of Nicaea-Constantinople I, 381 AD). In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

You have partially included a quotation that looks as if it is mine--it isn't. Please amend your post to include the reference.

What is stated is nothing like Jehovah's Witness junk.

 

[Scotth1960]

Re: Misunderstood by "Orthodox/Catholic" Tradition

Dear Alabaster, You haven't shown where the Holy Spirit teaches us about ducks in the Bible. :nod:waving
Scott In Erie PA

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Alabaster, I still wanna know why people should take your teaching seriously.

I'm not joking. But I am joking about the duck. Would that you find a "biblical justification" for the yellow and white duck teaching of the Bible. We're all waiting to hear "the good news!" You see, I have a sense of humor, too!

 

[Scotth1960]

You have partially included a quotation that looks as if it is mine--it isn't. Please amend your post to include the reference.

What is stated is nothing like Jehovah's Witness junk.

Dear Alabaster, You wrote, "Nor is there any doubt that the man Christ Jesus was created human". Not at all. Jesus is uncreated, eternal, and "only-begotten" (monogenes in Greek). He is not a creature. He is an uncreated man. Fully human, but begotten by God the Father before time, before all ages. He is the Son of the Father, not the creation of the Holy Spirit, although when the Father begot Jesus Christ in Mary's womb, the Holy Spirit was present there IN THE FATHER (PERICHORESIS). PERICHORESIS is the teaching that all three members of the TRINITY ARE IN EACH OTHER. In Erie PA Scott Harrington

 

[Alabaster]

Re: Misunderstood by "Orthodox/Catholic" Tradition

Alabaster, I still wanna know why people should take your teaching seriously.

I'm not joking. But I am joking about the duck. Would that you find a "biblical justification" for the yellow and white duck teaching of the Bible. We're all waiting to hear "the good news!" You see, I have a sense of humor, too!

It's not funny.

 

[Alabaster]

Dear Alabaster, You wrote, "Nor is there any doubt that the man Christ Jesus was created human". Not at all. Jesus is uncreated, eternal, and "only-begotten" (monogenes in Greek). He is not a creature. He is an uncreated man. Fully human, but begotten by God the Father before time, before all ages. He is the Son of the Father, not the creation of the Holy Spirit, although when the Father begot Jesus Christ in Mary's womb, the Holy Spirit was present there IN THE FATHER (PERICHORESIS). PERICHORESIS is the teaching that all three members of the TRINITY ARE IN EACH OTHER. In Erie PA Scott Harrington

Jesus is the Creator. However, as He is truly uncreated, His human body was formed in a womb like everyone else who is human.

 

[Scotth1960]

Re: Misunderstood by "Orthodox/Catholic" Tradition

On nothing by fabulists.



They try, but it can't be.



Yes, he surely did.

Dear Alabaster, You say that I have lied. And that what you teach comes from the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures. Can you show from Scripture where Jesus Christ was "created". You taught that the man Jesus Christ was created human .... Can you show Jesus Christ was made or created? Are you not then teaching something that is NOT TRUE? You tell me, if you know where the Bible says "CREATED"? In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[Alabaster]

Re: Misunderstood by "Orthodox/Catholic" Tradition

Dear Alabaster, You say that I have lied. And that what you teach comes from the Holy Spirit in the Scriptures. Can you show from Scripture where Jesus Christ was "created". You taught that the man Jesus Christ was created human .... Can you show Jesus Christ was made or created? Are you not then teaching something that is NOT TRUE? You tell me, if you know where the Bible says "CREATED"? In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

I simply posted an article. Take it for what it's worth. The words are not my own and it is plainly marked.

Surely you must see how Jesus submitted to become a human being, allowing Himself to be formed into a baby in a human host womb?

I am not playing your semantics game.

 

[Scotth1960]

Jesus is the Creator. However, as He is truly uncreated, His human body was formed in a womb like everyone else who is human.

Dear Alabster, But you are being inconsistent with yourself here. You just said He is uncreated. But previously, you wrote He is created. Which is it? In Erie PA Scott Harrington

 

[Alabaster]

Dear Alabster, But you are being inconsistent with yourself here. You just said He is uncreated. But previously, you wrote He is created. Which is it? In Erie PA Scott Harrington

Hello! You have your answer.

 

[Scotth1960]

Dear Alabaster. You teach, rightly, that the one Jesus Christ has two natures. But then you say of these 2 natures, one created, one eternal. Not at all. His human nature is uncreated, and begotten eternally of all ages by God the Father, but became a man in time incarnate of the ever-virgin Mary and Blessed Theotokos, Mother of God. And fully Divine, Eternal God the Son, begotten of God in all eternity, caused by God the Father eternally, co-eternal with God the Father in Heaven forever, and with the co-eternal All Holy Spirit, Who proceedeth from the Father in a single eternal procession (John 15:26). AMEN. In Erie PA Scott Harrington