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Monks making beer

Lewis

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Tell me something, are monks supposed to be making beer ? I don't know, I could be wrong, will somebody please straighten me out please.
Lewis W

Ampleforth monks mix history, religion and malts in unique new beer


The monks pace serenely in their long black habits, to a background of chanted psalms and obedient students from Ampleforth College swotting for exams.
But beneath the peaceful surface of Ampleforth Abbey, in a lovely North Yorkshire valley, lies a commercial operation that is about to pull off a coup – Britain's first monastic beer since the Reformation, more than 450 years ago.
Tawny glasses of Ampleforth Abbey brew have circulated among testers for the past year and, following repeated tweaks of yeast and malt, the beer is to go to the market in July. The launch is eagerly awaited in drinking circles because of a heady mix of history, religion and the Benedictine order's formidable reputation in the field.
"We think we've got the taste and texture right," said Father Wulstan Peterburs, Ampleforth's procurator, whose job is to oversee St Benedict's rule that monks should be self-sufficient and busy in their worldly as well as spiritual lives. "The last time the order did this in a big way, in the 18th century, we were given a licence by Louis XIV to sell our beer everywhere in France. We're not being that ambitious but we think we've got a success on our hands."
The beer is strongly flavoured and limited to 330ml bottles because of its gutsy 7% alcohol by volume. It is being brewed after a decade of cider production by the monks, which has gone from a homemade press in a derelict farm to 22,500 litres a year, and was honoured, again, at last month's International Cider Challenge.
The drink joined beekeeping and production of Father Hugh's vanilla and fudge cheesecake as a pursuit after enthusiasts in the 70-strong brotherhood consulted the Rule of St Benedict, a book of precepts written about 1,500 years ago concerning what to do with surplus apples from the two-hectare (five-acre) orchard.
"The answer was pretty obvious," said Peterburs, "and our decision to revive beer making happened in a similar way. We are always looking for things for monks to do, especially as some of the community are on the older side, and this was ideal. It also draws interestingly on our history." said Peterburs.
Harried during Europe's political and religious convulsions, the Benedictines took their classically English brewing skills to France after Henry VIII's Reformation, then returned with a distinctly European type of beer when the French revolution made them homeless again in 1789. The process, unused since, apart from a brief 19th-century experiment outside the monastery, has given the brew an invaluable marketing tool: ancient documents referring to secret recipes.
"Les matières qui la composent sont des grains, blés barbus et orges, des houblons et de l'eau," says one relic from the exile in France, listing wheat, hops and other ingredients that made upwhat the writer called "le grand secret de fabrication des Benedictines Anglais".
In the abbey's thriving shop , the custodian, Father Jeremy Sierley, said the beer would fit nicely with the monks' other lines, from peach brandy to asses' milk soap, as well as with St Benedict's rules on retailing.
"Just like the interest in sustainability which all sensible people have these days, we are guided to avoid avarice and practice fair dealing," he said. "The Rule talks about asking 'lower prices than the rest of the world so that God will be glorified'."
The principle of rejecting excess profit, which also contributed to the success of Yorkshire Quaker businesses such as Rowntree's in nearby York, is enshrined on every Ampleforth till receipt, which ends "ut in omnibus glorificetur Deus".
Prices should be high enough to keep the brew away from the binge-drinking market or misuse by young people. Peterburs said: "We have given thought to this, and we teach our students here about responsible drinking."
Staff at the college, who include a qualified sommelier, have helped test the beer, with tips including advice to marginally increase the frothy head, which is ever-popular on beer in northern England.
The drink is making its debut in a part of the UK with strong ties to the partnership of alcohol and religion. Just up the valley at Lastingham, an 18th-century vicar made ends meet by running the local pub through his wife, playing the fiddle in the bar and defeating a legal challenge by arguing that this was true service to his parishioners.
Across the Pennines, in Burnley, the Miners and Working Men's social club is the world's biggest single outlet for Benedictine liqueur, sold with boiling water as "Benny & Hot", a mixture that kept the Lancashire fusiliers going in the trenches in France during the first world war.
A brewhouse alongside Ampleforth's cider press is the long-term aim but initially the beer is being produced at Little Valley brewery in the upper Calder Valley, West Yorkshire. Double-fermented and overseen by Little Valley's Dutch co-founder, Wim van der Spek, a specialist in the monkish tradition of Trappist beers, it will sell at £36 for a 12-bottle case.
 
If there isn't anything wrong in drinking beer, then there isn't anything wrong with making it.
 
i think Christians are scared of drinking. which is understandable but if you know your limits and know you wont pass them there is no problem with drinking
 
ok. but idk. is it sin? Not really but i can lead and enable others to sin in that they can buy your beer or wine and cause massive liver malfunction or ensure theres only .01%blood in the alcohol stream in their viens
 
I know there is nothing wrong with beer even I am back to having a few Heineken's when I want to. It was just that I thought Monks making beer was a bit odd.
 
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I know there is nothing wrong with beer even I am back to having a few Heineken's when I want to. It was just that I thought Monks making beer was a bit odd.

You drink Heineken? Gross... ;)

Jesus made alcoholic beverages to drunk people. Apparently, he was quite good at it, too! Were they alcholics? The text doesn't say, but I doubt it. With that being said, is getting drunk bad? The Messiah enabled a group to get drunk and causing a sin is as bad as doing the sin so it would seem that being drunk isn't a sin by proxy as Jesus was sinless.

So why does the bible say not to be a drunkard? Well, that is another word entirely which means a continual action. Well, how come God didn't let anyone into the tent of meeting that had a fermented drink? I don't have an answer other than "It was a holy place," but that isn't really an answer. Anyone?
 
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Jesus made alcoholic beverages to drunk people. Apparently, he was quite good at it, too! Were they alcholics? The text doesn't say, but I doubt it. With that being said, is getting drunk bad? The Messiah enabled a group to get drunk and causing a sin is as bad as doing the sin so it would seem that being drunk isn't a sin by proxy as Jesus was sinless.

So why does the bible say not to be a drunkard? Well, that is another word entirely which means a continual action. Well, how come God didn't let anyone into the tent of meeting that had a fermented drink? I don't have an answer other than "It was a holy place," but that isn't really an answer. Anyone?




Question: "What does the Bible say about drinking alcohol / wine? Is it a sin for a Christian to drink alcohol / wine?"

Answer:
Scripture has much to say regarding the drinking of alcohol (Leviticus 10:9; Numbers 6:3; Deuteronomy 29:6; Judges 13:4, 7, 14; Proverbs 20:1; 31:4; Isaiah 5:1122, 24:9; 28:7; 29:9; 56:12). However, Scripture does not necessarily forbid a Christian from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. In fact, some Scriptures discuss alcohol in positive terms. Ecclesiastes 9:7 instructs, “Drink your wine with a merry heart.” Psalm 104:14-15 states that God gives wine “that makes glad the heart of men.” Amos 9:14 discusses drinking wine from your own vineyard as a sign of God’s blessing. Isaiah 55:1 encourages, “Yes, come buy wine and milk…”

What God commands Christians regarding alcohol is to avoid drunkenness (Ephesians 5:18). The Bible condemns drunkenness and its effects (Proverbs 23:29-35). Christians are also commanded to not allow their bodies to be “mastered” by anything (1 Corinthians 6:12; 2 Peter 2:19). Drinking alcohol in excess is undeniably addictive. Scripture also forbids a Christian from doing anything that might offend other Christians or encourage them to sin against their conscience (1 Corinthians 8:9-13). In light of these principles, it would be extremely difficult for any Christian to say he is drinking alcohol in excess to the glory of God (1 Corinthians 10:31).

Jesus changed water into wine. It even seems that Jesus drank wine on occasion (John 2:1-11; Matthew 26:29). In New Testament times, the water was not very clean. Without modern sanitation, the water was often filled with bacteria, viruses, and all kinds of contaminants. The same is true in many third-world countries today. As a result, people often drank wine (or grape juice) because it was far less likely to be contaminated. In 1 Timothy 5:23, Paul was instructing Timothy to stop drinking the water (which was probably causing his stomach problems) and instead drink wine. In that day, wine was fermented (containing alcohol), but not necessarily to the degree it is today. It is incorrect to say that it was grape juice, but it is also incorrect to say that it was the same thing as the wine commonly used today. Again, Scripture does not forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).

Alcohol, consumed in small quantities, is neither harmful nor addictive. In fact, some doctors advocate drinking small amounts of red wine for its health benefits, especially for the heart. Consumption of small quantities of alcohol is a matter of Christian freedom. Drunkenness and addiction are sin. However, due to the biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to consume alcohol in excess, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others, it is usually best for a Christian to abstain entirely from drinking alcohol.
http://www.gotquestions.org/sin-alcohol.html
 
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I know there is nothing wrong with beer even I am back to having a few Heineken's when I want to. It was just that I thought Monks making beer was a bit odd.

Monks performing experiments on peas to determine the laws of heredity would also seem odd, but Mendel did it. ;)
 
Lewis W, is drunkenness defined as addiction to alcohol or simply being drunk at a point in time? And is drunk merely off balance a bit, room is spinning, sick, or belligerent? I am sorry if these two questions seem silly.
 
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