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Monogamy, Polygamy, Celibacy & Polyamory

Hidden In Him

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A thread was started on the rise of polyamory in modern society in a non-debate forum, so I'm going to transfer posts to here to start an actual discussion on it. Polyamory, btw, is the joining of multiple people in uncommitted sexual relationship, as opposed to both Monogamy and Polygamy, which involved marriage and commitment.

The original OP, together with the link he provided:
"Polyamory on the rise." Like there isnt enough of an attack on marriage already. If this idea changes governments laws on marriage then whats next? Kids of any age can marry and take on multiple partners? Only thing left really.

Honestly when women came into the work force america became a dual income society. If we could take on multiple marriages how many people do I need to live at that point? Seems crazy to me.


My response:
Though it was never God's original intention, a Biblical case could be made for polygamy if it were at least between truly committed partners, and not just some cult exploiting its women. Polyamory, however, despite how wonderfully it may be portrayed, is just unprincipled people slopping around together in yet another cesspool of noncommittal, as if sex means nothing more than eating together or going to the bathroom in unison.

There were cases of polygamy in the Old Testament, and indirect references to it occurring the New. Both Abraham and Jacob had two wives, and David and Solomon had dozens. Thus, by New Testament times it was still considered a legitimate way of life for those who could afford it within Judaism, which explains why Paul taught in 1st Timothy 3:2 that an elder must be "the husband of one wife." This was likely taught not because polygamy was regarded as a sin but because any more than one wife and a man would already have too many responsibilities to be worrying about taking any leadership positions in the church. But Christianity went to place a certain stigma on the practice in later centuries which eventually became strongly reinforced after the Mormons went off the deep end with it, and sullied the reputation of "Christianity" as a whole as being a religion of male gratification and self-indulgence.

As a result, it's now a ship that has sailed within Christianity anyway. The Muslims place no stigma on the practice, but then many Muslim men abuse the Hell out of it, so they don't exactly make a strong case for it either. But I think there are in fact some men capable of being a good husband to more than one wife, and some women who would rather have part of a good man than all of a bad one. But again, the issue is whether a man is taking advantage of women and simply exploiting them, or is he seriously dedicated to giving them the best life possible, or at the least a better life than what they might have otherwise.

God looks on the heart, and He knows what their inner motivations are, but this is not always the case with the way mankind operates.
 
The issue with polygamy is that it's usually a male figure over multiple female figures with less legal standing and rights. It's a weighted system that can be easily abused. Hence why David and Samson had many wives, the wives were more a property aspect for a king.

Monogamy makes sense because the 2 are on equal footing legally. (Somewhat, it varies depending on woman's sufferage).

Polyamory is where multiple people can form an open relationship where everyone is free to leave and ground rules are usually set up between the main couple or group. Basicly lines are drawn and agreed upon.

Most people don't do poly relationships due to the headache. For a lot it's mostly just monogamy with more open boundaries on what constitutes as "cheating".

You are approaching this issue more from a legal perspective than a spiritual or moral one, and my personal take on doing that is that you cannot legislate morality. The desire to do right by others must be ingrained. Some forms of relationship may give a couple more "equal footing," but if their desire is to cheat one another, they will find a way to do it anyway.

As for Polyamory somehow being a solution, I think it is simply a copout to making any lasting commitments, and increasingly popular in modern times because young people have it together less and less now to the point where they couldn't maintain a committed relationship for long anyway, so they resort to arrangements were they can bail when the going gets too rough or is no longer to their liking.

Just being frank with you.
 
I imagine the main source of friction in this type of relationship would be jealousy. The guy would have to balance his life in such a way as to make both women feel equally loved and cared for. My hats off to guys that can do that. They're like drummers. They're a special breed. Lol.

Yes, lol.

Well jealousies would have to be worked out. Again, as per my previous post I think Christianity would no longer allow for polygamy on moral grounds given the abuses that have taken place in Mormonism and by Muslims. But were it to be among three loving, consenting people (or possibly more, but the more you increase the number the more unbalanced the situation becomes), there would have to be an agreement going in that jealousies would have to be set aside, and the husband would have to vow to both that he would not be neglectful of either.

As for favoritisms, that would only be natural, if not inevitable. Such was the case with Jacob, Leah, and Rachel. Jacob favored Rachel, but because God was watching out for the man's marriages and cared for all three, He arranged to bless Leah's womb so the imbalance would be compensated for.

To quote from a piece on it:

Jacob showed favoritism to Rachael and loved her more than Leah. God compensated for the lack of love Leah received by enabling her to have children and closing Rachel’s womb for a time (Genesis 29:31). There developed an intense rivalry between the two wives. In fact, at one time the wives bartered over the right to sleep with Jacob. Genesis 30:16 says, “When Jacob came from the field in the evening, Leah went out to meet him and said, ‘You must come in to me, for I have hired you with my son’s mandrakes.’ So he lay with her that night,” and Leah became pregnant. In the end, Jacob fathered twelve sons and a daughter. Jacob and Leah had six sons and a daughter; Zilpah, Leah’s maidservant, bore Jacob two sons; Jacob and Rachel had two sons together; and Bilhah, Rachel’s maidservant, bore Jacob another two sons (Genesis 35:23–36).
 
From a 21st century standpoint, I think it could be a viable alternative to monogamy. If all three people work, that's three incomes for one household. Given the rising cost of living, it seems beneficial and more practical than renting out a room to a stranger.
 
From a 21st century standpoint, I think it could be a viable alternative to monogamy. If all three people work, that's three incomes for one household. Given the rising cost of living, it seems beneficial and more practical than renting out a room to a stranger.

You mean polygamy or polyamory or both?
 
A thread was started on the rise of polyamory in modern society in a non-debate forum, so I'm going to transfer posts to here to start an actual discussion on it. Polyamory, btw, is the joining of multiple people in uncommitted sexual relationship, as opposed to both Monogamy and Polygamy, which involved marriage and commitment.

The original OP, together with the link he provided:
"Polyamory on the rise." Like there isnt enough of an attack on marriage already. If this idea changes governments laws on marriage then whats next? Kids of any age can marry and take on multiple partners? Only thing left really.

Honestly when women came into the work force america became a dual income society. If we could take on multiple marriages how many people do I need to live at that point? Seems crazy to me.


My response:
Though it was never God's original intention, a Biblical case could be made for polygamy if it were at least between truly committed partners, and not just some cult exploiting its women. Polyamory, however, despite how wonderfully it may be portrayed, is just unprincipled people slopping around together in yet another cesspool of noncommittal, as if sex means nothing more than eating together or going to the bathroom in unison.

There were cases of polygamy in the Old Testament, and indirect references to it occurring the New. Both Abraham and Jacob had two wives, and David and Solomon had dozens. Thus, by New Testament times it was still considered a legitimate way of life for those who could afford it within Judaism, which explains why Paul taught in 1st Timothy 3:2 that an elder must be "the husband of one wife." This was likely taught not because polygamy was regarded as a sin but because any more than one wife and a man would already have too many responsibilities to be worrying about taking any leadership positions in the church. But Christianity went to place a certain stigma on the practice in later centuries which eventually became strongly reinforced after the Mormons went off the deep end with it, and sullied the reputation of "Christianity" as a whole as being a religion of male gratification and self-indulgence.

As a result, it's now a ship that has sailed within Christianity anyway. The Muslims place no stigma on the practice, but then many Muslim men abuse the Hell out of it, so they don't exactly make a strong case for it either. But I think there are in fact some men capable of being a good husband to more than one wife, and some women who would rather have part of a good man than all of a bad one. But again, the issue is whether a man is taking advantage of women and simply exploiting them, or is he seriously dedicated to giving them the best life possible, or at the least a better life than what they might have otherwise.

God looks on the heart, and He knows what their inner motivations are, but this is not always the case with the way mankind operates.
For a time, God did permit a man to have more than one wife. (Genesis 4:19; 16:1-4; 29:18-29) But God did not originate the practice of polygamy. He provided only one wife for Adam.

God authorized Jesus Christ to reinstitute His original standard of monogamy. (John 8:28) When asked about marriage, Jesus said: “He who created them from the beginning made them male and female and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh.’”(Matthew 19:4, 5)

One of Jesus’ disciples was later inspired by God to write: “Let each man have his own wife and each woman have her own husband.” (1 Corinthians 7:2) The Bible also states that any married man in the Christian congregation who is given special responsibilities must be “a husband of one wife.”(1 Timothy 3:2, 12)

So I disagree that God only spoke out against polygamy simply because it might interfere with a man's responsibilities in the congregation. Jesus reinstated that a Christian is to have one wife or one husband. That's the way God intended it from the beginning.
 
You mean an orgy?

No. As I understand it, polyamory is reference is to engaging in sexual relationships with more than one person while in a living arrangement, i.e. switching from person to person individually as desire arises, rather than all engaging in it together at the same time.
 
I know this is off-topic but where do you get the impression that debating topics is not allowed in the autonomous forums?

Misinformed. I was under the impression it was the same as in the Questions and Answers forum, but in that one there appears to be no direct response to anyone but the OP. But in Politics and News it looks like you just can't edit anything once you post it.

I confused the two. My apologies.
 
No. As I understand it, polyamory is reference is to engaging in sexual relationships with more than one person while in a living arrangement, i.e. switching from person to person individually as desire arises, rather than all engaging in it together at the same time.
Ah. I've never looked into it before. It seems like jealousy can be an even greater issue to contend with in this arrangement.
 
From a 21st century standpoint, I think it could be a viable alternative to monogamy. If all three people work, that's three incomes for one household. Given the rising cost of living, it seems beneficial and more practical than renting out a room to a stranger.

If it's in reference to polygamy I would agree. I think a lot of hearts have gotten broken precisely because of too many people trying to cohabit with one another to begin with, although I don't know that in the secular world they would ever dare to make any moves toward serious commitments. Their minds would go tilt on them.

But as a result, a lot of times somebody gets crushed because no serious commitments have been made. The boyfriend isn't home, yet the girlfriend and the best friend are, and she looks good, and the whole time they're engaging in casual conversation he's thinking of things that aren't casual at all, and eventually dares to hint at something, and finds out she's thinking the same thing he is and feels the same way, and... you know the rest of the story.

It's like society keeps failing to account for sexual attraction, and they keep getting bit in the backside by it time and time again. Polyamory seems to be attempting to just let the flames burn wherever they may, but as the old saying goes, playing with fire will eventually get somebody burned, and sometimes those who get burned take out of on others, and things get really ugly.

Makes me glad I'm not still young, Lol. I remember thinking how much just hanging out with friends was a serious problem. Actually living with my friend's girlfriends in the same house would have been like putting a red flag in front of a bull, and it would have been the same problems for my friends as well. It ended up being too much for my best friend and my first love as it was, and his girl and I had a really close call too.

Childhood sucks. You should have seen how wide his eyes got when I put him up against a wall, Lol. I let him go, but it's no small wonder people do each other serious harm over situations like this. Better to figure out who you want to be with, commit, and then divorce if absolutely necessary, so right and wrong are laid down for everyone to see, than risk beating the Hell out of someone or worse, or getting thrown in jail, or being on the receiving end and being put in the hospital or something. And then the women are like freaking out... what a mess.

Just talking out loud, but I don't think Polyamory solves anything. I think it's just asking for trouble... unless they're all so ugly that no one even cares anyway, Lol.
 
If it's in reference to polygamy I would agree. I think a lot of hearts have gotten broken precisely because of too many people trying to cohabit with one another to begin with, although I don't know that in the secular world they would ever dare to make any moves toward serious commitments. Their minds would go tilt on them.

But as a result, a lot of times somebody gets crushed because no serious commitments have been made. The boyfriend isn't home, yet the girlfriend and the best friend are, and she looks good, and the whole time they're engaging in casual conversation he's thinking of things that aren't casual at all, and eventually dares to hint at something, and finds out she's thinking the same thing he is and feels the same way, and... you know the rest of the story.

It's like society keeps failing to account for sexual attraction, and they keep getting bit in the backside by it time and time again. Polyamory seems to be attempting to just let the flames burn wherever they may, but as the old saying goes, playing with fire will eventually get somebody burned, and sometimes those who get burned take out of on others, and things get really ugly.

Makes me glad I'm not still young, Lol. I remember thinking how much just hanging out with friends was a serious problem. Actually living with my friend's girlfriends in the same house would have been like putting a red flag in front of a bull, and it would have been the same problems for my friends as well. It ended up being too much for my best friend and my first love as it was, and his girl and I had a really close call too.

Childhood sucks. You should have seen how wide his eyes got when I put him up against a wall, Lol. I let him go, but it's no small wonder people do each other serious harm over situations like this. Better to figure out who you want to be with, commit, and then divorce if absolutely necessary, so right and wrong are laid down for everyone to see, than risk beating the Hell out of someone or worse, or getting thrown in jail, or being on the receiving end and being put in the hospital or something. And then the women are like freaking out... what a mess.

Just talking out loud, but I don't think Polyamory solves anything. I think it's just asking for trouble... unless they're all so ugly that no one even cares anyway, Lol.
Yep. All it takes is for someone to pull a knife or a gun and everything changes. That's why I think people have to have their heads screwed on tight if they're going to get involved in something like that.

I bet it makes you feel like king of the hill though. Two women love me so much that they're willing to put up with each other just to be with me. I'm that awesome. Lol.
 
Polyamory
A fancy way to say fooling around :shrug ?
It is base fornication that defiles all who do it.
1thess4:
4 Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more.

2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

3 For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:

4 That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour;

5 Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God:

6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

7 For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.
 
Sounds like it’s just a fancy name for fornication. I heard a few speakers talk about how the norms changed for women who now can have several casual partners and the outcome is they are miserable. Nothing can improve on a life partner committed in love to you. Nothing. Been married to the same man for over 30 years…first marriage for both of us. That or singleness with celibacy is God’s design and highest plan. Lack of caring in the pursuit of sensual pleasure isn’t an improvement.
 
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