More Evidence for "Joshua/Yahsha" as the Christ!

[edwin]

You're trying to avoid the question, you're not that ignorant. Have you any iknowledge a gap between kings in Israel's history?

You are like every fundie I have ever debated. YOU refuse to answer a question and then accuse me of doing the same. You veer off topic and rather responding specifically you post more and more scripture which is not relevant to the topic at hand. If by "Joshua" you mean Jesus, I would point out once again, that you are just speculating on the transliteration of the koine greek name into the Hebrew. At any rate whatever Jesus name was in Hebrew is irrelevant. Furthermore, Jesus never reigned as a King in Israel (being called King of the Jews by the Romans surely does not qualify) and was never anointed as a mashiach as stipulated in the Tanakh. As previously posted he never fulfilled the agenda of what the mashiach is to accomplish in the real world as per the Hebrew prophets.

The Hebrew bible tells us that the Davidic claim to the throne (thru Solomon) is eternal

17. For so said the Lord: There shall not be cut off from David a man sitting on the throne of the house of Israel. Jeremiah does NOT say there will always be a Davidic king on the throne-indeed the Tanakh states that there will be a long interregnum

1 Kings 11:11 . . . HaShem said to Solomon, "For as this has been with you, and you have not observed My covenant and My statutes which I have commanded you, I will surely tear the kingdom from you, and I shall give it to your servant. 12. However, in your days I will not do this, for the sake of David your father; from the hands of your son I shall tear it.

Hosea 3:4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince

 

[precepts]

Explain why there's no king after Joshau'a reign, and why God would say the following if there was no king during the reign of the Persia/Medes, except until the Maccabees during the Greek period.

Jer 49:34 The word of the LORD that came to Jeremiah the prophet against Elam in the beginning of the reign of Zedekiah king of Judah, saying,
Jer 49:35 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might.
Jer 49:36 And upon Elam will I bring the four winds from the four quarters of heaven, and will scatter them toward all those winds; and there shall be no nation whither the outcasts of Elam shall not come.
Jer 49:37 For I will cause Elam to be dismayed before their enemies, and before them that seek their life: and I will bring evil upon them, [even] my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them:
Jer 49:38 And I will set my throne in Elam, and will destroy from thence the king and the princes, saith the LORD.
Jer 49:39 But it shall come to pass in the latter days, [that] I will bring again the captivity of Elam, saith the LORD.

God said he would set his throne in Elam, when there was no king post Joshua? Please explain.

 

[edwin]

Explain why there's no king after Joshau'a reign, and why God would say the following if there was no king during the reign of the Persia/Medes, except until the Maccabees during the Greek period.

God said he would set his throne in Elam, when there was no king post Joshua? Please explain.

As Pres Ronald Reagan used to say: "There you go again." You continue to use the same old techniques I mentioned in my last post. YOU started this thread but you refuse to answer questions directly. You have not shown the "evidence" that Joshua=Christ. I do not feel any obligation to continue to respond to your questions, but I will, in the spirit of a healthy debate answer your final query. Has or did God set His throne in Elam? Obviously not. God's throne in the past has always been in the Sanctuary in Jerusalem and the Tanakh tells us once again in the messianci age, it shall be re-established there. Another one of your problems is not knowing when to take things literally and when do understand verses metaphorically. Jeremiah is simply stating poetically that Hashem will lay siege to Elam. This makes perfect sense since the entire chapter concerns oracles regarding various nations that through various periods were enemies of Israel and the coming retribution for acts committed against God's servant, Israel.

 

[Sinthesis]

I was not speaking about"traits" nor was I speaking about types and foreshadowings.The Hebrew Bible is pretty specific regarding the changes that will obvious in this world (not in some heavenly sphere) in the messianic age. Not only is Jesus genealogy wrong, he failed to accomplish the tasks he was supposed to, according to the prophets, during his lifetime. Please don't tell me that this will be acccomplished in his second coming. The second coming is a Christian apologetic invention to rationalize the failed agenda in his first coming. Moreover, if as you believe he was resurrected and ascended to heaven, then his return will be the third coming. So how many shots at this does he get???

Could you elaborate and specify these accomplishments?

If you would specify the tasks you believe Messiah is to accomplish, and where they are prophesied in scripture, then I would be happy to illustrate how Jesus fulfills them, at least to the best of my ability.

 

[precepts]

Every day I grow more knowledgable in the word. I use to wonder about certain verses such as these, but now I understand, and felt I should share:

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and
[their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed;
lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
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Jhn 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart;that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart,
and be converted, and I should heal them.
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Act 28:27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed;
lest they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and understand with [their] heart,
and should be converted, and I should heal them.
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Isa 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
Isa 6:10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

I always wondered why God wouldn't want to heal these people, especially because of the verses saying God don't want to see any condemned, but now I understand why.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.
Isa 44:7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them.
Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].
Isa 44:9 They that make a graven image [are] all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they [are] their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed.
Isa 44:10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image [that] is profitable for nothing?
Isa 44:11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they [are] of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; [yet] they shall fear, [and] they shall be ashamed together.
Isa 44:12 The smith with the tongs both worketh in the coals, and fashioneth it with hammers, and worketh it with the strength of his arms: yea, he is hungry, and his strength faileth: he drinketh no water, and is faint.
Isa 44:13 The carpenter stretcheth out [his] rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
Isa 44:14 He heweth him down cedars, and taketh the cypress and the oak, which he strengtheneth for himself among the trees of the forest: he planteth an ash, and the rain doth nourish [it].
Isa 44:15 Then shall it be for a man to burn: for he will take thereof, and warm himself; yea, he kindleth [it], and baketh bread; yea, he maketh a god, and worshippeth [it]; he maketh it a graven image, and falleth down thereto.
Isa 44:16 He burneth part thereof in the fire; with part thereof he eateth flesh; he roasteth roast, and is satisfied: yea, he warmeth [himself], and saith, Aha, I am warm, I have seen the fire:
Isa 44:17 And the residue thereof he maketh a god, [even] his graven image: he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth [it], and prayeth unto it, and saith, Deliver me; for thou [art] my god.
Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; [and] their hearts, that they cannot understand.

Although you might not get this from the context, I finally realize why God blinded their eyes, etc.. It's because God is such a loving God that if they did understand, eventhough they might of been devil worshippers (Sorcerors/Soothsayers etc.), and truly repented, God is such a loving God, he would feel sorry for them, and would have to forgive them. So, this now becomes the unforgivable sin, snared in their wrong doings.

It's not everybody that can recieve the truth, some will never understand, no matter how simple!

food for thought

 

[edwin]

Every day I grow more knowledgable in the word. I use to wonder about certain verses such as these, but now I understand, and felt I should share:
I always wondered why God wouldn't want to heal these people, especially because of the verses saying God don't want to see any condemned, but now I understand why.

Although you might not get this from the context, I finally realize why God blinded their eyes, etc.. It's because God is such a loving God that if they did understand, eventhough they might of been devil worshippers (Sorcerors/Soothsayers etc.), and truly repented, God is such a loving God, he would feel sorry for them, and would have to forgive them. So, this now becomes the unforgivable sin, snared in their wrong doings.

It's not everybody that can recieve the truth, some will never understand, no matter how simple!

food for thought

It's not everybody that can spell, either.I will try to answer sinth's post later.

 

[precepts]

It's not everybody that can spell, either.I will try to answer sinth's post later.

I guess I shud be insulted, wonder what happened to that basket of rotten figs? Anyone?

 

[edwin]

If you would specify the tasks you believe Messiah is to accomplish, and where they are prophesied in scripture, then I would be happy to illustrate how Jesus fulfills them, at least to the best of my ability.

Sinthesis: Should a new thread be started for this?

 

[Sinthesis]

Sinthesis: Should a new thread be started for this?

Couldn't hurt, but state your concerns as questions rather than assertions so you don't freak anyone out.

 

[edwin]

Couldn't hurt, but state your concerns as questions rather than assertions so you don't freak anyone out.

In light of what you have stated I have decided to continue this discussion within this thread.

The Hebrew word for messiah is moshiach, the proper translation of this word being "anointed". The term "hamashiach" ie The Messiah does not occur anywhere in the Hebrew Bible but various explicit references in the Hebrew Bible to a messianic figure, from the line of King David who will rule in the messianic age allows to establish some criteria wrt the basic requirements of the Messiah and the Messianic agenda.
In Judaism, it is really quite easy to define The Messiah- it will be the King sitting in David's re-established throne in the Messianic Age who fulfills the criteria to be defined below. Here is a brief description regarding the Messianic age by a Christian scholar: "The recovery of independence and power, an era of peace and prosperity, of fidelity to God and his Law, of justice and fair-dealing and brotherly love among men, and of personal rectitude and piety." Has the Messianic Age arrived?

I am going to start with some basic requirements of moshiach then the agenda can be analyzed.

The Messiah must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Gen 49:10) and a direct male descendant of King David thru Solomon (IISam 7:12-16). Now Chrisitianity posits that Jesus did not have a physical father-his father was the third person of the Trinity. That being so Jesus tribal lineage is not from Judah since the Holy Spirit has no tribal lineage and according the the law in force at the time (ie Mosaic Law) tribal membership is transmitted exclusively through one's physical father (Num 1:18). To simplify, a basic requirement of the Hebrew Bible regarding the Messiah is that he is a human being not a god or demi-god.

 

[Sinthesis]

In light of what you have stated I have decided to continue this discussion within this thread.

The Hebrew word for messiah is moshiach, the proper translation of this word being "anointed". The term "hamashiach" ie The Messiah does not occur anywhere in the Hebrew Bible but various explicit references in the Hebrew Bible to a messianic figure, from the line of King David who will rule in the messianic age allows to establish some criteria wrt the basic requirements of the Messiah and the Messianic agenda.
In Judaism, it is really quite easy to define The Messiah- it will be the King sitting in David's re-established throne in the Messianic Age who fulfills the criteria to be defined below. Here is a brief description regarding the Messianic age by a Christian scholar: "The recovery of independence and power, an era of peace and prosperity, of fidelity to God and his Law, of justice and fair-dealing and brotherly love among men, and of personal rectitude and piety." Has the Messianic Age arrived?

Yes and/or no; it depends on what the underlying context is.

I am going to start with some basic requirements of moshiach then the agenda can be analyzed.

The Messiah must be a member of the tribe of Judah (Gen 49:10)

Actually, the way I read the verse, it says that at the coming of Shiloh the scepter and lawgiver do in fact depart from Judah; and it is to Shiloh, rather than Judah, that the people gather.

and a direct male descendant of King David thru Solomon (2 Sam 7:12-16)

There is no mention of Solomon in the above verses. The promise to David is that his throne will remain with his offspring. Just as David's Kingdom was eventually divided because of inequity, so was the promise. Solomon's infidelity resulted in the biological posterity part of the promise to David being kept through David's third son from Bathsheba, Nathan. Jesus is the physical offspring of David via Nathan through Mary. David's throne was passed from Solomon by law down through to Joseph, and then legally given to his adopted son Jesus.

Now Chrisitianity posits that Jesus did not have a physical father-his father was the third person of the Trinity. That being so Jesus tribal lineage is not from Judah since the Holy Spirit has no tribal lineage and according the the law in force at the time (ie Mosaic Law) tribal membership is transmitted exclusively through one's physical father (Num 1:18)

A moot point given the way I believe Gen 49:10 should be read. Yet consider also that the very context of Num 1:18 acknowledges that there is more than one way to declare a pedigree.

To simplify, a basic requirement of the Hebrew Bible regarding the Messiah is that he is a human being not a god or demi-god.

Christians believe that Jesus is 100% a human being. I admit that the Trinity is impossible to understand and therefore a difficult concept to accept. Yet I still believe in it.

 

[edwin]

Sorry for the delay. Let me respond in order of your quotes:
1) I fail to see how you can read Gen 49:10 in the way you stated. The verse clearly says that the scepter will not depart from Judah (meaning the tribe of Judah). Let us assume the Hebrew word translated in most bibles as "Shiloh" refers to King Messiah (and opinion among Jewish sages is not unanimous on this ) why would you assume that Shiloh is NOT from the tribe of Judah whereas the most logical explanation is that the messiah will be a descendant of Judah? Because the reference is to the future it does mean that the messiahship will not depart from the TRIBE of Judah and will not be given to any other tribal descendant. Even the NT tries to establish the genealogy thru Judah in Mathew's gospel

2)Read 2 Sam 7: 12-16 as well as 1Chron 22:9-10. Hashem clearly states that He will "raise up your seed that shall proceed from your body..." ie physical progeny and that person "will build a House for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever."
Behold a son will be born to you, he will be a man of peace and I shall
give him peace from all his enemies around about, for SOLOMON will be his name, and I shall give peace and quiet to Israel in his days. 10. He shall build a House in My Name, and he shall be to Me as a son, and I to him as a Father, and I shall prepare the throne of his kingdom forever.'This does not mean there will never be an interregnum- but clearly the propagation of David's throne is thru Solomon not Nathan and culminates with the coming of the true mashiach.

3) Num1:18 indicates there is only one way to declare pedigree- as the verse states;"..according to their fathers' houses.." Genealogies in the Hebrew Bible are always patrilineal.

4)Christians believe that Jesus is 100% a human being. Really? Then why does the Nicene Creed refer to him as "eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father. Sounds divine to me.

 

[JLB]

He is also the great grandson of Joseph, the grandson of Ephraim.

We could argue over the meanings of the names because hebrew has many different misinterpretations through out the yrs but Jehoshua from my basic understanding interprets "Jah hov," as in the name Jehovah, as "I Am that" as in "I Am that I Am". Sha is salvation or peace as in Sha-lom, Sha-lem, and Yah-ru-Sha-lem (I Am with Sha/Salvation city). Hoshea/Hosha is "that Salvation", a shorter version of Jehoshua.


The first two could very well be refering to Moses' Joshua.

The third, if you read the verses I provided earlier, states the same, crowned king as promised by God as his planting, Isa 49:1-5, Ez 17:1-24, Ez 21:26, Ez 11:1-16, Jer 23:5-7, and Jer 33:15-18.

He is also misinterpretedly called "Jasher" in Jos 10:13 , 2 Sam 1:18 and "Jeshurun" in Deut 32:15, Deut 33:5, and Deut 33:26. Read it!

The Judaic Kings were cut off, and God planted "the branch" post Babylon. This is a fact that Chris-tianity ignores!



Which I know and connect to the name and the man Joshua.



You're relying on a reinvented misinterpreted language.



You put too much trust in the world, I recently discovered Moses, misinterpreted by some sources as meaning "drawn from the water," really means "born of," as in the Egyptian names Rah-meses, misinterpreted Ramses, meaning born of the egyptian god Rah. Other misinterpreted variations of this name is mosis as in thutmosis, mose as in Ahmose, etc., all meaning "born of."



You and Chris-tianity have no idea how much Isaiah talks of him and his role in the post Babylon exodus because Joshua is Christ.

Isaiah is rightfully interpreted as El Sha, as in El Sha-ddai!

[FONT=&quot]"I am" is the English translation of the meaning of God's personal name.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The English transliteration of God's personal name is YHWH, with vowels added, YAHWEH, translated to I AM WHO I AM. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This pronounceable form of YHWH was introduced in 1520 by Galatinus but immediately strongly contested.

Because the Hebrew script only has consonants, the vowels had to be inserted when the text was read out loud.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]However, the name YHWH was deemed so holy that it shouldn't be pronounced.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Since there was no such word in the Hebrew language, the reader would be forced to stop and think about what he was reading, and thus would avoid accidentally speaking the Sacred Name aloud.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Later, some Christian translators mistakenly combined the vowels of “Adonay†with the consonants of “YHWH†producing the word “YaHoWaH.†When the Scriptures were translated into German during the Reformation, the word was transliterated into the German pronunciation, which pronounces “Y†as an English “J†and pronounces “W†as an English “V†— or “Jahovah.†Then in the early 17th century when the Scriptures were being translated into English with the help of some of the German translations, the word was again transliterated as “Jehovah,†and this unfortunate accident has carried over into many modern English translations.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The term is now recognized by all proficient Bible scholars to be a late hybrid form, a translation error, that was never used by the Jews.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Webster's Collegiate Dictionary[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Jehovah — False reading of the Hebrew YAHWEH.â€
(“Jehovah,†Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1973 ed.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Encyclopedia Americana[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Jehovah — erroneous form of the name of the G-d of Israel.â€
(Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 16., 1972 ed.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Encyclopedia Britannica[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“The Masoretes who from the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or Elohim. Thus the artificial name Jehovah came into being.â€
(“Yahweh,†The New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 12, 1993 ed.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Jewish Encyclopedia[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Jehovah — a mispronunciation of the Hebrew YHWH the name of G-d. This pronunciation is grammatically impossible.â€
(“Jehovah,†The Jewish Encyclopedia, vol. 7, 1904 ed.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The New Jewish Encyclopedia:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“It is clear that the word Jehovah is an artificial composite.â€
(“Jehovah,†The New Jewish Encyclopedia, 1962 ed.) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Jewish Encyclopedia states that YHWH is "the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel", and describes the form "Jehovah" as "a philological impossibility". [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]John 8:57-59[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]57][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]58][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]59][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot] Joshua = Yĕhowshuwa`- Strong’s Number: 3091[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“YHWH is salvation†= the lord is salvation[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]If you need to add some letters to yhwh add these-[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yhwh = y[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ehowshuwa = Jesus [/FONT]




[FONT=&quot] A compound word is two words together to form one word.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Example: halleluyah – to praise the lord in song[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Strong’s # 3470 - Isaiah - Yĕsha`yah - from (03467) and (03050)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (03467) - yasha`- to save, be saved, be delivered[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](03050) = [/FONT][FONT=&quot]yah - lord[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yĕsha`yah - the compound word means: the lord is deliverer [savior][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yah[/FONT][FONT=&quot] - strong’s number 3050[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The other part of this compound word is:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hovah[/FONT][FONT=&quot] - Strong’s number 1943[/FONT]

1. [FONT=&quot]ruin, disaster [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Another form for [/FONT][FONT=&quot]1943[/FONT][FONT=&quot]is:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]havvah strong’s number 1942[/FONT]

1. [FONT=&quot]desire [/FONT]
   1. [FONT=&quot]desire (in bad sense) [/FONT]
2. [FONT=&quot]chasm (fig. of destruction) [/FONT]
   1. [FONT=&quot]engulfing ruin, destruction, calamity [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]KJV[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (15) - calamity, 4; iniquity, 1; mischief, 1; mischievous, 1; naughtiness, 1; naughty, 1; noisome, 1; perverse thing, 1; substance, 1; wickedness, 3;[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]# 1942[/FONT][FONT=&quot] is from the word - hava'[/FONT]

1. [FONT=&quot]to fall [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Hoveh[/FONT][FONT=&quot] on the other hand means: 1st person, male, present tense - to be i.e. I AM - though written with a double vav[/FONT].[FONT=&quot]In modern Hebrew grammar this matter is so serious and important, that the verb ‘to be’ (‘I am’) is not used in the present tense at all! [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Usage of the Hebrew verb ‘HOVEH’ (I am) would imply referring to oneself as being the Almighty![/FONT]

JLB

 

[precepts]

[FONT=&quot]"I am" is the English translation of the meaning of God's personal name.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The English transliteration of God's personal name is YHWH, with vowels added, YAHWEH, translated to I AM WHO I AM. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This pronounceable form of YHWH was introduced in 1520 by Galatinus but immediately strongly contested.

Because the Hebrew script only has consonants, the vowels had to be inserted when the text was read out loud.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]However, the name YHWH was deemed so holy that it shouldn't be pronounced.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Since there was no such word in the Hebrew language, the reader would be forced to stop and think about what he was reading, and thus would avoid accidentally speaking the Sacred Name aloud.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Later, some Christian translators mistakenly combined the vowels of “Adonay” with the consonants of “YHWH” producing the word “YaHoWaH.” When the Scriptures were translated into German during the Reformation, the word was transliterated into the German pronunciation, which pronounces “Y” as an English “J” and pronounces “W” as an English “V” — or “Jahovah.” Then in the early 17th century when the Scriptures were being translated into English with the help of some of the German translations, the word was again transliterated as “Jehovah,” and this unfortunate accident has carried over into many modern English translations.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The term is now recognized by all proficient Bible scholars to be a late hybrid form, a translation error, that was never used by the Jews.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Webster's Collegiate Dictionary[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Jehovah — False reading of the Hebrew YAHWEH.”
(“Jehovah,” Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1973 ed.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Encyclopedia Americana[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Jehovah — erroneous form of the name of the G-d of Israel.”
(Encyclopedia Americana, vol. 16., 1972 ed.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Encyclopedia Britannica[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“The Masoretes who from the 6th to the 10th century worked to reproduce the original text of the Hebrew Bible replaced the vowels of the name YHWH with the vowel signs of Adonai or Elohim. Thus the artificial name Jehovah came into being.”
(“Yahweh,” The New Encyclopedia Britannica, vol. 12, 1993 ed.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Jewish Encyclopedia[/FONT][FONT=&quot]: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Jehovah — a mispronunciation of the Hebrew YHWH the name of G-d. This pronunciation is grammatically impossible.”
(“Jehovah,” The Jewish Encyclopedia, vol. 7, 1904 ed.)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The New Jewish Encyclopedia:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“It is clear that the word Jehovah is an artificial composite.”
(“Jehovah,” The New Jewish Encyclopedia, 1962 ed.) [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The Jewish Encyclopedia states that YHWH is "the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel", and describes the form "Jehovah" as "a philological impossibility". [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]John 8:57-59[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]57][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]58][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM." [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]59][/FONT][FONT=&quot] Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot] Joshua = Yĕhowshuwa`- Strong’s Number: 3091[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“YHWH is salvation” = the lord is salvation[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]If you need to add some letters to yhwh add these-[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yhwh = y[/FONT][FONT=&quot]ehowshuwa = Jesus [/FONT]




[FONT=&quot] A compound word is two words together to form one word.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Example: halleluyah – to praise the lord in song[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Strong’s # 3470 - Isaiah - Yĕsha`yah - from (03467) and (03050)[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] (03467) - yasha`- to save, be saved, be delivered[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](03050) = [/FONT][FONT=&quot]yah - lord[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Yĕsha`yah - the compound word means: the lord is deliverer [savior][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Yah[/FONT][FONT=&quot] - strong’s number 3050[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The other part of this compound word is:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Hovah[/FONT][FONT=&quot] - Strong’s number 1943[/FONT]

1. [FONT=&quot]ruin, disaster [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Another form for [/FONT][FONT=&quot]1943[/FONT][FONT=&quot]is:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]havvah strong’s number 1942[/FONT]

1. [FONT=&quot]desire [/FONT]
   1. [FONT=&quot]desire (in bad sense) [/FONT]
2. [FONT=&quot]chasm (fig. of destruction) [/FONT]
   1. [FONT=&quot]engulfing ruin, destruction, calamity [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]KJV[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (15) - calamity, 4; iniquity, 1; mischief, 1; mischievous, 1; naughtiness, 1; naughty, 1; noisome, 1; perverse thing, 1; substance, 1; wickedness, 3;[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]# 1942[/FONT][FONT=&quot] is from the word - hava'[/FONT]

1. [FONT=&quot]to fall [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Hoveh[/FONT][FONT=&quot] on the other hand means: 1st person, male, present tense - to be i.e. I AM - though written with a double vav[/FONT].[FONT=&quot]In modern Hebrew grammar this matter is so serious and important, that the verb ‘to be’ (‘I am’) is not used in the present tense at all! [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Usage of the Hebrew verb ‘HOVEH’ (I am) would imply referring to oneself as being the Almighty![/FONT]

JLB

I can understand where you're coming from, but like I keep emphasizing, you're relying on a reinvented language. My interpretation means the same as yours, "I Am Salvation!" My interpretation is void of worldly influence. Friendship with the world is enmity with God.

2Ki 23:34 And Pharaohnechoh made Eliakim the son of Josiah king in the room of Josiah his father, and turned his name to Jehoiakim, and took Jehoahaz away: and he came to Egypt, and died there.

Do you have any knowledge of the Egyptian gods, because "Jeho/u" and "Iah" were hebrew abominations, names of Egyptian gods.

Moses' name is Egyptian, meaning "born of."

Variations of this name is the misinterpreted Ramses, which really is Rah moses; Rah meses, Rah mses, Rah mesis; Tutmosis; and Ahmose, etc.. The Ah in Ahmose is a variation for the Egyptian god "Jah/Iah!"

There's no "J" in the hebrew, and "Jesus" is one of those misinterpretations.

 

[JLB]

Jesus is an English word, not a Hebrew word.

JLB

 

[precepts]

Jesus is an English word, not a Hebrew word.

JLB

My original quote:
There's no "J" in the hebrew, and "Jesus" is one of those misinterpretations.

If there's no "J" in the hebrew alphabet, how do you come up with "Jesus?!" If you're going to pronounce a hebrew name using English letters, it has to sound the same to be the same name! That's why I gave the examples of "Moses'" name, which is Egyyptian. The interpretation of his name, the difference being the letters that produce the same sounds as the original language, Moses!

 

[JLB]

If there's no "J" in the hebrew alphabet, how do you come up with "Jesus?!" If you're going to pronounce a hebrew name using English letters, it has to sound the same to be the same name! That's why I gave the examples of "Moses'" name, which is Egyyptian. The interpretation of his name, the difference being the letters that produce the same sounds as the original language, Moses!

If there's no "J" in the hebrew alphabet, how do you come up with "Jesus?

Again Jesus is not a Hebrew name, nor does it employ Hebrew letters.


JLB

 

[precepts]

Again Jesus is not a Hebrew name, nor does it employ Hebrew letters.


JLB

That's exactly why it can't be the name of a hebrew God. A hebrew God's name wouldn't possess a "J" sound, thus "Yahsha," Yahshua, etc..

 

[reba]

Exactly He is the God of the whole universe

 

[precepts]

Exactly He is the God of the whole universe