Mormonism

[<3Jesus<3]

hey practically all my friends are mormon and its sad to know that they dont know the truth. i cant imagine them all going to hell just becaue it was what theyre parents raised them as. its hard to think about it. what about you guys?

 

[bibleberean]

hey practically all my friends are mormon and its sad to know that they dont know the truth. i cant imagine them all going to hell just becaue it was what theyre parents raised them as. its hard to think about it. what about you guys?

Mormons are going to die unsaved because they are sinners and there is no way to be saved from the wages of sin other than through believing the gospel of Christ.

The Jews had all the existing knowledge of God in the OT. They were raised to be "good Jews" and yet after Jesus came He told them this...

John 8:23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

If a "good Jew" of the chosen people of God cannot be saved unless they believe how much less a Mormon who worships a fasle god and has a false gospel?

Preach the gospel to your friends.

 

[<3Jesus<3]

Preach the gospel to your friends.

i would do so but theyre all SOOO strict on everything. theres no way to even talk to them about their and my religions.

i understand that mormons dont go to heaven but like... they believe God died for them right? do they believe he was raised from the dead?
doesnt that make them christian if they believe that? or do they not believe that? cause like Romans 10:9 says: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. If they believe that they will go to heaven? I guess mormons dont believe that then, do they?
i'm really curious about the mormon religion

 

[Lyric's Dad]

I was a mormon for many years. I was married in the temple and performed many of the rituals for dead people. I baptized and confirmed others in the temple for the dead also. I was an elder and held offices such as ward mission leader, stake missionary, and executive secretary to the bishopbric. God was faithful to call me out and He used some of the literature that the mormons are told to never read to start me on this path.

I would love to help you out and point you to any help you might need.

Where do you live? I am in Salt Lake City (imagine that!). And know of many great resources you can use.

I even have a book of mormon that is marked and tabbed as a witnessing tool as the book of mormon completely goes against what the mormon doctrine teaches.

 

[Judy]

I even have a book of mormon that is marked and tabbed as a witnessing tool as the book of mormon completely goes against what the mormon doctrine teaches.

Lyric's Dad, I think this would be a great topic to start. I for one would be interested in seeing what they teach and how their own doctrine goes against itself.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

I will get one going. There is much in there that could be addressed. It will take me a couple of days to get some of it organized in such a way to post it.

 

[y not peace?]

O WOW. I think that Mormans have a very backwards way of thinking. They say they are the Church of Jesus CHrist and later day Saints, but they dont beilve in Jesus. I dislike that relgion for numerous reasons.

One: They are racist (do not argue against that)
Two: They dont tell the truth to people about their relgion when they go out and recruit.
Three: They treat their women like dirt.


Im not trying to piss off any one. Please note that i dont hate no-one.

 

[supernac]

What do Mormans belive in?

 

[y not peace?]

mormans beilve that Joseph (not the bible one) was sent to America to rid it of its "heathens".

 

[Lyric's Dad]

mormans beilve that Joseph (not the bible one) was sent to America to rid it of its "heathens".

Well, we need to not try and simplify the mormon religion as this is not an accurate portrayal.

They believe in Jesus Christ but claim Him to be an exalted man, like the Father is, who earned their way to godhood by following mormon doctrine on other worlds. They believe that all man has the ability to also become gods over their own worlds in the same manner, namely by being an active baptized member of the mormon church and abiding by the temple ceremonies covenants, and doing lots of good works. The book of mormon says that after the ascension, Jesus Christ came to the americas to what in the Bible is called "the other sheep" which in the book of mormon is the Native Americans who they say are the descendants of Hebrew people who were sent here from Jerusalem in 600 B.C. They say that the people who came over, the family of Lehi and some servants split when they arrived. Two evil brothers, laman and lemual became the fathers of the Lamanites. The good brother Nephi became the father of the good nation, the Nephites. The evil nation of the lamanites were given a curse of a "dark and loathesome skin" and the good nephites maintained a skin that was "white and delightsome." The b.o.m. says that Jesus came to bring the gospel to the Native Americans/Lamanites who had wiped out the Nephites.

There is much to this religion. It has been evolving for over a hundred years and there are many twists and turns.

One point of interest is the new video out called DNA vs. The Book of Mormon, which conclusively shows that the story of the Lamanites is fictional as there is no Hebrew DNA in any of the Native tribes of this continent, including Mexico.

You can view the video and even order copies here;;

http://www.lhvm.org/dna_view.htm


I will be preparing a thread to more thoroughly look at this religion and it's problems. I would suggest that anyone who is planning on speaking about Christ to the mormons take great care in familiarizing themselves with it's nuances as they are good. They have a full time missionary army of over 60,000 and that is not including the several part time missionaries in EVERY single ward house. They use Christian lingo but the meanings are different. They use the Bible and believe it ONLY AS FAR AS "it is translated correctly" so any time you refer to it, they refer to the Joseph Smith (mormon founder) translation which changes meanings every time.

Again, I will be working on a thread to give some information people can use.

 

[y not peace?]

Good post^^^ my dad explained that to me a few months ago just a little differnet tho.

ANywayz Mormons are like Muslims to a certain extent. They dont belive that Jesus was the son of God, but they beilve he was a great prophet.

Also, they call themselves followers of CHrist, but they are racist. YOU CANNOT BE A RACIST FOLLOWER OF GOD, because it defies what Yesus taught, and it simply does not match the bible.

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Good post^^^ my dad explained that to me a few months ago just a little differnet tho.

ANywayz Mormons are like Muslims to a certain extent. They dont belive that Jesus was the son of God, but they beilve he was a great prophet.

Also, they call themselves followers of CHrist, but they are racist. YOU CANNOT BE A RACIST FOLLOWER OF GOD, because it defies what Yesus taught, and it simply does not match the bible.

Y not peace, I hate to do this but I must ask you to really look into what you are teaching as it is not at all accurate. I was a mormon for many years and have been through all of the ceremonies and such. Let me clear this up a little.

In fact, the mormons believe that Jesus is the Son of God. They believe that He is the LITERAL Son of God. One of the clear teachings in the early foundations of mormonism was that God came to Mary and had intercourse with her. That before doing this, He took her as one of His polygamous wives and will take her to be with Him as such in the eternities. Mormons believe in two different kinds of marriage. One is for time, or until we die. The other, what they call the "new and everlasting covenant" is eternal marriage that has to be performed in the mormon temple by someone with the "authority" to seal a couple forever. This is what is said to have happened to Mary and God. Joseph would have only been her "time" husband. They also believe that Jesus is the literal spirit son of God having been produced first as a spirit by the union of God and His wife, the heavenly mother. This is said to be true of all of us, including lucifer. This means that in mormon theology, lucifer and Jesus are brothers and that we too are siblings to them. Jesus is the eldest brother. It is said that lucifer was thrown out after the "council of the gods" where the plan to redeem the world was put forth. Jesus agreed with God but lucifer wanted another method and therefore rebelled.

Anyway, so you can see, they definately believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but in a very literal way, where the Bible teaches that Jesus is God manifested in the Person of Jesus. Mormonism teaches a plurality of gods but have never stated that Jesus is a prophet.

Also, yes the foundation of mormonism was very racist, though this cannot be said of joseph smith, it's founder. He gave their priesthood to blacks. It was actually Brigham Young, the successor to Joseph Smith (though this is debated among the hundreds of offshoot sects of mormonism) who refused the black person full status in the church. It was not until fairly recently that the black person was allowed full admittance. They were not allowed to hold their priesthoods or be admitted to the temple. They believe that the curse of cain was a skin of darkness and this was manifested in the black man. Since then, a mormon "prophet" had a "revelation" admitting all men fully into the church. This conveniently came at the same time that the federal govt. was threatening to shut them down for racism. Kind of similar to the "revelation" banning polygamy (which Brigham Young said had to be practiced forever or people would be damned) which came when the govt. was going to take away all holdings of the church unless they quit.

I digress. The church today is not a racist orgnanization. In fact, they take great pains to do away with this face they have to wear because of former leaders. If you notice their commercials and such, most of them will have a colored person in them. At almost every event, they make sure to have a black person perform. They love to parade Gladys Knight who became a mormon a while back. So, I would not say that the mormons are racist. That is a stereotype. The vast majority of mormons today are good people (at least as far as people are concerned) who are very lost in religion. They seek God but not in truth. They need understanding and love and someone who will not approach them with preconceived notions of what they believe of others. Yes, the foundation of mormonism was racist but that does not mean the same is true today. Germany was a nazi nation. I don't think the same is true today.

 

[y not peace?]

It was not until fairly recently that the black person was allowed full admittance. They were not allowed to hold their priesthoods or be admitted to the temple. They believe that the curse of cain was a skin of darkness and this was manifested in the black man. Since then, a mormon "prophet" had a "revelation" admitting all men fully into the church. This conveniently came at the same time that the federal govt. was threatening to shut them down for racism. Kind of similar to the "revelation" banning polygamy (which Brigham Young said had to be practiced forever or people would be damned) which came when the govt. was going to take away all holdings of the church unless they quit.

It was 1973 i beilve that blacks were not allowed into Mormon churches, and that pisses me off alot becuase that is un-neccasry hate towards my people.

I appreciate your response on Mormon beilef abotu Jesus, and now its my turn to explain the whole racism thing.
Make sure you understand every word.....

They believe that the curse of cain was a skin of darkness and this was manifested in the black man.

COrrect but listen...in the bible a curse by definition in bible terms is opposite of blessed, or sinned. This implies that to be cursed is to live with a sin you have commited. Now yes Cain was cursed and that is becasue he had sinned, but this is where it gets interesting. If Cain's "curse" got manifested in the black man, then the "curse" of a lie or from a murder (or from any sin) from any man (including white) implies that all races are cursed because every race has sinned, which then leads to the fact that no-one is better than anyone else, which leads to equality, which Lord Yesus taught us to folo and teach.

 

[<3Jesus<3]

. They say that the people who came over, the family of Lehi and some servants split when they arrived.

u know that is very interesting, cause u know how i said i lived by almost everybody mormon?
i live in Mesa Arizona, which was founded by mormons. and in a certain section of mesa that i live in, it used to be a different town and that town was named Lehi... :x

 

[Lyric's Dad]

[quote="Lyric's Dad":a3b93]. They say that the people who came over, the family of Lehi and some servants split when they arrived.

u know that is very interesting, cause u know how i said i lived by almost everybody mormon?
i live in Mesa Arizona, which was founded by mormons. and in a certain section of mesa that i live in, it used to be a different town and that town was named Lehi... :x[/quote:a3b93]Oh yeah, they love to name towns by mormon people and places.

Here in Utah we have;

Nephi
Lehi
Bountiful
Zion (though not a mormon term)
Moroni
and several others.

 

[Gary]

Hi Lyric's Dad

I always enjoy your posts and you very obviously have lots you can teach us about the Mormon beliefs.

I was wondering.... from your knowledge and experience, how accurate is the CARM (Matthew J. Slick) description of Mormonism?
http://www.carm.org/mormon.htm

Matthew says "I began studying cults in 1980 starting with Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses..." so I have always assumed that he knows a lot.
http://www.carm.org/index/aboutcarm.htm

What are your thoughts about his work exposing Mormonism?

Kind regards
Gary

 

[Lyric's Dad]

CARM is an excellent resource. The problems you will find with mormonism and pinning down doctrine is that it is constantly changing. What was doctrine years ago (men on the moon, mary and God having sex, Adam being God, etc. etc. etc.) today is referred to as merely a mans opinion. CARM does a great job of presenting the facts as they have been given over the years and not dealing with the progressive aspect of the church too much.

 

[Gary]

Thanks. I find the same with his work on Islam
http://www.carm.org/islam.htm

... although I find he is not as complete as the "Answering-Islam.org" team which consists of the writings of some of the best historical (classical) and modern/current Christian apologists against Islam.
http://www.answering-islam.org/authors.html

CARM also has a reasonably good "book reference" section:
http://www.carm.org/books.htm

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[xkonradx s.f.]

This should clear up most of your questions about our beliefs...note that it is from an OFFICIAL church website. PM me if you have any sincere questions...I really don't care to argue but if you have a question then ask!


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[Lyric's Dad]

This should clear up most of your questions about our beliefs...note that it is from an OFFICIAL church website. PM me if you have any sincere questions...I really don't care to argue but if you have a question then ask!


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The reality is that the mormon church has gone to great lengths to employ and support different organizations that try to rectify some very scary teachings of their church. One is FARMS who comes out with one thing after another to try and answer the slew of findings that refute the mormon faith.

I.E. when the DNA VS. THE BOOK OF MORMON video came out, conclusively showing the mormon teaching that the Native Americans were direct descendents of BOM people false, the FARMS people claimed that when God changed the skin color of these "white and delightsome" people to that of the "dark and loathesome" skin of the Native Americans, He also changed their DNA so we could not trace them.

This is just one example of the fine scholarly work you will find in the mormon sites that try to explain away the scary teachings of their leaders.