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Mr 10:45 For the Son of man also came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Highway54

Highway54

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What is the ransom? The price Jesus paid to buy back what Adam lost. (1 Cor. 15:22) Why do we need the ransom? Because Jehovah’s standard of justice as set out in the Law required that a life be given for a life. (Ex. 21:23, 24) Adam lost his perfect human life. To satisfy God’s justice, Jesus sacrificed his perfect human life. (Rom. 5:17) He thus becomes an “Eternal Father” to all those who exercise faith in the ransom. (Isa. 9:6; Rom. 3:23, 24) Jesus was willing to sacrifice his life because of his great love for his heavenly Father and for us. (John 14:31; 15:13) Moved by that love, he was determined to keep his integrity to the end and to accomplish his Father’s will. Jesus did so by remaining faithful until his death. As a result, Jehovah’s original purpose for mankind and for the earth will be fulfilled
 
Highway54 said:
What is the ransom? The price Jesus paid to buy back what Adam lost. (1 Cor. 15:22) Why do we need the ransom? Because Jehovah’s standard of justice as set out in the Law required that a life be given for a life. (Ex. 21:23, 24) Adam lost his perfect human life. To satisfy God’s justice, Jesus sacrificed his perfect human life. (Rom. 5:17) He thus becomes an “Eternal Father” to all those who exercise faith in the ransom. (Isa. 9:6; Rom. 3:23, 24) Jesus was willing to sacrifice his life because of his great love for his heavenly Father and for us. (John 14:31; 15:13) Moved by that love, he was determined to keep his integrity to the end and to accomplish his Father’s will. Jesus did so by remaining faithful until his death. As a result, Jehovah’s original purpose for mankind and for the earth will be fulfilled
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Excellent post, Robert!

Lev. 17:11
“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”

God demanded the blood of man for his sins. He gave us that blood through His Son on the alter for our sins.

The animals that were sacrificed in the Law of Moses represented that Blood that would be sacrificed by Christ.

Praise God, when there was no way for man, He made a way for us!
 
Highway54 said:
What is the ransom? The price Jesus paid to buy back what Adam lost. (1 Cor. 15:22) Why do we need the ransom? Because Jehovah’s standard of justice as set out in the Law required that a life be given for a life. (Ex. 21:23, 24) Adam lost his perfect human life. To satisfy God’s justice, Jesus sacrificed his perfect human life. (Rom. 5:17) He thus becomes an “Eternal Father” to all those who exercise faith in the ransom. (Isa. 9:6; Rom. 3:23, 24) Jesus was willing to sacrifice his life because of his great love for his heavenly Father and for us. (John 14:31; 15:13) Moved by that love, he was determined to keep his integrity to the end and to accomplish his Father’s will. Jesus did so by remaining faithful until his death. As a result, Jehovah’s original purpose for mankind and for the earth will be fulfilled
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JW?
 
Charlie24 said:
Excellent post, Robert!

Lev. 17:11
“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”

God demanded the blood of man for his sins. He gave us that blood through His Son on the alter for our sins.

The animals that were sacrificed in the Law of Moses represented that Blood that would be sacrificed by Christ.

Praise God, when there was no way for man, He made a way for us!
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You can call me Bob if it is easier Charlie. I must somewhat embarrassingly admit that those were not my words, but our daily text for yesterday sir.
 
Highway54 said:
What is the ransom? The price Jesus paid to buy back what Adam lost. (1 Cor. 15:22) Why do we need the ransom? Because Jehovah’s standard of justice as set out in the Law required that a life be given for a life. (Ex. 21:23, 24) Adam lost his perfect human life. To satisfy God’s justice, Jesus sacrificed his perfect human life. (Rom. 5:17) He thus becomes an “Eternal Father” to all those who exercise faith in the ransom. (Isa. 9:6; Rom. 3:23, 24) Jesus was willing to sacrifice his life because of his great love for his heavenly Father and for us. (John 14:31; 15:13) Moved by that love, he was determined to keep his integrity to the end and to accomplish his Father’s will. Jesus did so by remaining faithful until his death. As a result, Jehovah’s original purpose for mankind and for the earth will be fulfilled
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The Scripture says "for many," not for mankind.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
By his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; Is 53:11.

It doesn't say for 'mankind' and it doesn't say "for all."

Christ died "for many," not all.
 
Charlie24 said:
Excellent post, Robert!

Lev. 17:11
“For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.”

God demanded the blood of man for his sins. He gave us that blood through His Son on the alter for our sins.

The animals that were sacrificed in the Law of Moses represented that Blood that would be sacrificed by Christ.

Praise God, when there was no way for man, He made a way for us!
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Respectfully, that only explains the need for Jesus’ death … not His suffering.
 
jeremiah1five said:
The Scripture says "for many," not for mankind.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
By his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; Is 53:11.

It doesn't say for 'mankind' and it doesn't say "for all."

Christ died "for many," not all.
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I believe Jesus sacrificed his perfect human body, his perfect human life, to save the creation called, "mankind." I believe what Adam and Eve did when they disobeyed God concerning the forbidden tree, put the creation called Mankind in jeopardy. The true God had to do something to save mankind, so that mankind wouldn't be forever lost. I don't agree with the reasoning that just because the scripture doesn't use the word "mankind" is proof that Jesus didn't sacrifice his perfect human body his perfect human life for mankind. It was God's creation called mankind that was in jeopardy, so needed to be saved.
 
jeremiah1five said:
The Scripture says "for many," not for mankind.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
By his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; Is 53:11.

It doesn't say for 'mankind' and it doesn't say "for all."

Christ died "for many," not all.
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The invitation is for all mankind, but like you said Jeremiah, sadly only some take advantage of it Mat 7:14 Compare 1 Cor 15:22
 
BB1956 said:
I believe Jesus sacrificed his perfect human body, his perfect human life, to save the creation called, "mankind." I believe what Adam and Eve did when they disobeyed God concerning the forbidden tree, put the creation called Mankind in jeopardy. The true God had to do something to save mankind, so that mankind wouldn't be forever lost. I don't agree with the reasoning that just because the scripture doesn't use the word "mankind" is proof that Jesus didn't sacrifice his perfect human body his perfect human life for mankind. It was God's creation called mankind that was in jeopardy, so needed to be saved.
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Despite the Scripture that teaches the opposite?
Arrogance and pride is a son of a gun.
 
Highway54 said:
The invitation is for all mankind, but like you said Jeremiah, sadly only some take advantage of it Mat 7:14 Compare 1 Cor 15:22
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Despite the truth from Scripture that NONE SEEK GOD?

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom. 3:11.

When you see this statement why do you refuse to accept it and allow the Word of God to change your thinking?
Doesn't the truth of Scripture have any power or sway over what you are supposed to believe?

Here's Christ's very words. Let's see if who you say is your Lord has any authority over you:

19 And this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST] because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn 3:19–20.

There you go. The very words of the Creator. Do you accept His words? Do you agree with CHRIST that He is the LIGHT and everyone hates the LIGHT NEITHER COMES TO THE LIGHT?

Does the Word of God have any power over you to teach you what it says?

That's a fair question.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Despite the truth from Scripture that NONE SEEK GOD?

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom. 3:11.

When you see this statement why do you refuse to accept it and allow the Word of God to change your thinking?
Doesn't the truth of Scripture have any power or sway over what you are supposed to believe?

Here's Christ's very words. Let's see if who you say is your Lord has any authority over you:

19 And this is the condemnation, that light [CHRIST] is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light [CHRIST] because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light [CHRIST], neither cometh to the light [CHRIST], lest his deeds should be reproved. Jn 3:19–20.

There you go. The very words of the Creator. Do you accept His words? Do you agree with CHRIST that He is the LIGHT and everyone hates the LIGHT NEITHER COMES TO THE LIGHT?

Does the Word of God have any power over you to teach you what it says?

That's a fair question.
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jeremiah1five said:
Despite the truth from Scripture that NONE SEEK GOD?

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Rom. 3:11.

When you see this statement why do you refuse to accept it and allow the Word of God to change your thinking?
Doesn't the truth of Scripture have any power or sway over what you are supposed to believe?
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So if one would use your logic, why bother? May as well eat and drink for tomorrow you die. 1 Cor 15:32. You see sir you have done what people typically do, quote a passage without giving the contrast, and what is more you did it to prove your point. What was Paul's point to the Romans Jeremiah? Why did he say that to them? At that early stage of those coming into the new covenant, they were struggling with accepting that Jesus was the end of the law Rom 10:4, Paul was entirely correct, since no one, not one obeyed the law perfectly, there were none that were righteous. But what did Paul go on to reveal that made the contrast clear? It picks up in verse 21 (Rom 3) sir.

I will say that you may have been quite sincere in your belief of what you were saying, but can you see how using verses out of context can really bring reproach on God's name? When one sees verses such as these that really do not show God having love, then further research is needed to understand why something like that was written in the Bible. This time Paul explained it, but that is not always the case so we have to ask for help in understanding and do further research.
 
hawkman said:
Who is the "our" in your statement ?
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I am a Christian Hawk. When I say we, our, etc I mean us Christians. We have a publication entitled examine the Scriptures daily. Similar to the daily bread publication, where each day we have a Scripture and a comment on it. Available for download at JW.org. Thanks for asking sir.
 
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Highway54 said:
So if one would use your logic, why bother? May as well eat and drink for tomorrow you die. 1 Cor 15:32. You see sir you have done what people typically do, quote a passage without giving the contrast, and what is more you did it to prove your point. What was Paul's point to the Romans Jeremiah? Why did he say that to them? At that early stage of those coming into the new covenant, they were struggling with accepting that Jesus was the end of the law Rom 10:4, Paul was entirely correct, since no one, not one obeyed the law perfectly, there were none that were righteous. But what did Paul go on to reveal that made the contrast clear? It picks up in verse 21 (Rom 3) sir.

I will say that you may have been quite sincere in your belief of what you were saying, but can you see how using verses out of context can really bring reproach on God's name? When one sees verses such as these that really do not show God having love, then further research is needed to understand why something like that was written in the Bible. This time Paul explained it, but that is not always the case so we have to ask for help in understanding and do further research.
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Why bother to what?
 
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