Muslim Demographics

[Gabe]

What are everyone's thoughts on this, especially those of you who have children or grand-children who are not Muslim?

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[paisley]

I have many thoughts on this subject but not enough time to write it all. In a nutshell though, my sister lives in a small town in Texas and there is a mosque there. That would have been unbelieveable when I was a child. As for Europe, one just has to turn on the TV to see all the violence and problems coming from the muslims there. I saw one secular documentary where a journalist reported that even the police were too afraid to enter the muslim area (I think Belgium, but I could be wrong) due to the violence towards nonmuslims. It is a serious problem that can`t be reversed now because I think these immigrants are getting permenant residency and citizenship so they can`t just be shipped out. As for me, I live in Japan and the birth rate is so low that the government gives citizens incentives to have babies. They recently raised the incentive money to $5000 I think. In addition local governments give incentives as well. Nevertheless, there just isn`t enough population growth to take care of the aging population and there is a nursing shortage so Japan is now recruiting nurses from Indonesia. These nurses are muslim. I have a VERY bad feeling about this. Right now there are very few muslims in Japan, most are illegally here, but if we begin bringing in single women they are going to marry, have many children, and islam will spread rapidly to the next generation. Australia as well is having problems with muslims. This isn`t just a Western European/North American problem. Africa is being taken over by brute force. Eastern Eurpoe has whole countries now that are muslim. A lot of Asia now has a large muslim population. I don`t know much about South and Latin America though, but I`m sure you could fill us in on that Gabriel.

 

[kenan]

I don't know why they used the Turkish flag in that video, despite almost all of her population being Muslim, it's a secular country and religion has no place in government there.

I think that if all the European countries that could apparently become Muslim in the next few years or decades could go the way that Turkey did, there wouldn't be much of a difference.

 

[paisley]

Kenan, if you read about Christian persecution, you will definitely find stories coming out of Turkey. I wouldn`t want to see America become like Turkey in regards to religious freedom. I will admit that Turkey is better than some muslim nations but their hands are not clean, and with islam being the majority, things can change very rapidly for Christians there and I think Christians have to live knowing their faith and lives are always hanging in the balance. I wouldn`t want to live in Turkey as a Christian. Here is a quote from a pastor there reported by "Light for the Peoples", "Pastor Behnan Konutgan of Turkey’s Bible Society pointed out that government ministers have
made public statements claiming that missionaries are â€Âworse than terrorists.â€Â
“Official government documents list three threats to our national
security: two guerilla armies and all foreign missionaries,†Konutgan
said. Technically, Turkey is a â€Âsecular democracy†offering equal
liberties to all religions, with a constitution that does not favor Islam.
“Our problem is not with the laws, but with the predominant mindset
identifying Turkey with Islam and Christianity with Turkeyâ€â¢s
enemies,†Konutgan said.

 

[Gabe]

I agree with paisley, Turkey may be less intolerant, but that in no way makes the country tolerant:

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* Turkish-Armenian Writer Who's Known For His Christian Beliefs is Shot Dead
* Turkey’s Christians Face Growing Persecution
* 'Insulting Turkishness' Case Proceeds Under Revised Law
* Christian Priest Abducted
* Christian Missionaries Horrifically Tortured Before Killings
* Christian Bookshop Vandalised Following Threats From Muslim Nationalists
* Antalya Bible Church Members verbally and Physically assaulted, & Also faced Constant Harrasment
* Turkish Author On Trial For Insulting Prophet
* Christians Killed in Turkey Knife Attack, Victims Had Their Hands & Feet Tied & Their Throats Slit
* The Continuing Legal Battle of the Syriac-Orthodox Monastery
* Fear Prevails after Priest Andrea Santoro is Shot Dead, Christians a Vanishing Minority in Predominately Muslim Turkey
* Turkish Writer May be Convicted for Speaking of Armenian Genocide
* Catholic Priest Stabbed in Turkey, Incident Follows a Spate of Attacks in Recent Years on Christians
* Convert Christian beaten unconscious
* Two converts to Christianity charged in Turkey
* Christian turks Killed at Bible Publishing Firm
* Convert to Christianity Loses Another Job & Beaten, as Co-Workers Learn he’s Not Muslim

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....and this is only one predominantly Islamic country among many. To assume that other European countries will remain as “tolerant†as Turkey has when Muslims become the majority is wishful thinking. You only need to look at how the Islamic minority are behaving at the moment in countries like the UK, France and Germany to realise that this will not be the case or is very unlikely.