Muslims getting ridiculous

[Biblereader]

WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 5, 2007 12:01 AM (PT) You've heard how Great Britain's socialized medicine is failing. How thousands have died in hospitals due to unsanitary conditions and overworked staff. So what are they doing? Training nurses. Not to combat the problems, those are swept aside. They're trained, at taxpayer expense to become familiar with the Islamic faith, and are required to stop all medical work five times a day to turn the beds of Muslim patients towards Mecca. When political correctness kills, tonight at 10 ET / 7 PT. Read about it here.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/272 ... s-to-Mecca



OVERWORKED nurses have been ordered to stop all medical work five times every day to move Muslim patients’ beds so they face towards Mecca.
The lengthy procedure, which also includes providing fresh bathing water, is creating turmoil among overstretched staff on bustling NHS wards.

But despite the havoc, Mid- Yorkshire NHS Trust says the rule must be instigated whenever possible to ensure Muslim patients have “a more comfortable stay in hospitalâ€Â.
And a taxpayer-funded training programme for several hundred hospital staff has begun to ensure that all are familiar with the workings of the Muslim faith.

The scheme is initially being run at Dewsbury and District Hospital, West Yorkshire, but is set to be introduced at other hospitals in the new year.
It comes on the back of the introduction in some NHS hospitals last year of Burka-style gowns for Muslim patients who did not wish medical staff to see their face while operating or caring for them.
Last night critics slammed the procedure and claimed the NHS would be better off investing its resources in tackling killer superbugs such as C.diff and MRSA.

One experienced nurse working at Dewsbury said: “It would be easier to create Muslim-only wards with every bed facing Mecca than have to deal with this.
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What I think about this, is, the Muslims are not in a Muslim land, so, they should abide by the rules of general British protocol. Wasting time turning beds is ridiculous, and nurses have enough to do without this. This is so beyond being polite, and acomodating, I don't see why the nurses don't simply REFUSE to turn the stupid beds.

 

[OfficerCarson]

not being racist or nothing

but that is poop :o
they wanna see meca have their friends and families move their beds that way
that is so wrong :smt099

"doctor do you think he will live?" "maybe as long as you keep your hand on that artery" *Ding Dong* "sorry doctor have to go move those beds" but if you don't stay and help me he could die" *com. squels*"nurse lesly we need you in room 219" "sorry doctor have to go" ten min. later "okay doctor i am back" "who is that?" "well when you stopped i had to scream for help" "this guy in the hallway came and well the guy is gunna make it"

of course this is over drammatised but still...

well if i am in a hospital bed in Britian i wanna be faced towards America 10 times a day every hour on the Hour. that way i can look at America and feel at home.

oh no wait they would probable say uh...no

in my opion you wanna face meca

sit up and do it sorry if you have broke legs maybe a mirror would work better.

 

[Drew]

WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 5, 2007 12:01 AM (PT) You've heard how Great Britain's socialized medicine is failing. How thousands have died in hospitals due to unsanitary conditions and overworked staff.

I have heard nothing about this. Can you please provide your source? I am specifically interested in your implication that socialized medicine is responsible for this problem. Although this is a complex problem, and one cannot draw firm conclusions from life expectancy data, it is interesting to note that life expectancy in Great Britain is the same as in the USA:

United Kingdom 77.66 System: Universal Health Care

United States: 77.12 System: Private

I am frankly skeptical that you will be able to substantiate your implication that "Great Britain's socialzed medecine is failing" at least in relation to other mechanisms for the delivery of healthcare. But, please, give us the relevant evidence.

 

[OfficerCarson]

need to make a recovery for not asking for a source first.....

look Arnold swartenager :smt066

 

[geekgirlkelli]

So are you equally opposed to the hospital providing kosher food for a Jew? Or allowing a Christian nurse to witness to a patient? Just curious.

~Kelli

 

[OfficerCarson]

wow you really hate me
just curouis

and yah no what hve fun chaing all my posts then replying cuase it is called the Foes list
cuase it ignores all you posts

 

[Biblereader]

WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 5, 2007 12:01 AM (PT) You've heard how Great Britain's socialized medicine is failing. How thousands have died in hospitals due to unsanitary conditions and overworked staff.

I have heard nothing about this. Can you please provide your source? I am specifically interested in your implication that socialized medicine is responsible for this problem. Although this is a complex problem, and one cannot draw firm conclusions from life expectancy data, it is interesting to note that life expectancy in Great Britain is the same as in the USA:

United Kingdom 77.66 System: Universal Health Care

United States: 77.12 System: Private

I am frankly skeptical that you will be able to substantiate your implication that "Great Britain's socialzed medecine is failing" at least in relation to other mechanisms for the delivery of healthcare. But, please, give us the relevant evidence.

My source? Look a few lines down from the top, at the highlighted link.
For the ridiculous extra work load for the nurses in the UK.
Socialized medicine? If you have questions, feel free to call Rollye tonight. I'll be listening on my XM radio. It's fairly well known that the UK healthcare system leaves much to be desired. I prefer good old USA health care system, although the illegals are trying their darndest to bankrupt the private healthcare institutions here. Got no insurance? Clog up the emergency room!
Have no money? go to the emergency room! My relatives work in hospitals, and the way some people take full advantage of the hospital, NEVER intending to pay, is well documented.
I digress.
Please call rollye tonight. She would LOVE to chat with you.

 

[Biblereader]

in my opion you wanna face meca

sit up and do it sorry if you have broke legs maybe a mirror would work better.

Good one! :

 

[geekgirlkelli]

wow you really hate me
just curouis

and yah no what hve fun chaing all my posts then replying cuase it is called the Foes list
cuase it ignores all you posts

I ask a simple, objective question, and you think it's because I hate you? Wow. Just wow.

My point is to get you to think, maybe get a different viewpoint and learn something. If you think that putting me on ignore is going to hurt my feelings somehow, then you're sadly mistaken. I've discussed and debated with people much more persuasive and knowledgeable than you, since before you were even born. And along the way I learned a lot of things from various people from all walks of life. If you're as smart as you seem to think you are, you'll do the same.

 

[Biblereader]

So are you equally opposed to the hospital providing kosher food for a Jew? Or allowing a Christian nurse to witness to a patient? Just curious.

~Kelli

Cute photo, Kelli. No, I'm not opposed at ALL to the above activities. In the USA. AMERICA is a CHRISTIAN nation, not a MUSLIM nation. Which is what the mslms are trying their darndest to make the United Kingdom into.
Do YOU have a problem with providing kosher food to a Jew, in a hospital?
I think the more Christian nurses witness to patients, the better.

I imagine you're a liberal, and you would just love to make it a hate crime to NOT turn beds towards Mecca, in a hospital.

Are you a born again Christian, Kelli? Do you have a problem with people witnessing to others about salvation in Jesus Christ, alone?
I know this is a lot to think about, so, please, take your time to answer each one.

 

[Biblereader]

need to make a recovery for not asking for a source first.....

look Arnold swartenager :smt066

The source for this thread is directly from the Rollye James website: http://www.rollye.net
The link for the story is right there, under the first paragraph.

Please call her, if you can, and tell her what you think about this story.
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[Biblereader]

My point is to get you to think, maybe get a different viewpoint and learn something.

Would that be a liberal, abortion-loving, sex education for all grades, I hate Bush, guns are bad,
regulate fat content in privately owned restaurant's menu choices, viewpoint, geekgirl?

 

[OfficerCarson]

do you ridicular arnold?

i wil not stand for this.

and wow just looked at the post above mine :o

insitefull :o

 

[handy]

I'm not sure that it's the Muslims who are getting ridiculous. Muslims have been praying towards the east for centuries. Nor do I think socialized medicine is at fault. What seems to be the problem here is Political Correctness gone wild. While it's reasonable that hospitals make some accomodations for faith during the time when the faithful need it the most, having all the staff drop everything just to turn beds does seem a bit excessive.

It does seem to say something about the Muslim faith if their god cannot listen to their prayers if they aren't facing the right way due to being in a hospital bed.

Good 'ole Jesus, He'll listen to you east, west, north, south, or upside down! :smt023

BTW Kelli, Welcome to the board!! :smt006 As you can see we have some very strong personalities here that aren't shy about mixing it up a bit, and going by your photo, it looks as though you're the kind of girl who can handle it. I hope you enjoy your time here on the board and feel free to share your thoughts on the different issues. I can pretty much guarantee you that everyone won't agree with you on everything, but then that would probably get a little boring anyway!

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Cute photo, Kelli. No, I'm not opposed at ALL to the above activities. In the USA. AMERICA is a CHRISTIAN nation, not a MUSLIM nation. Which is what the mslms are trying their darndest to make the United Kingdom into.
Do YOU have a problem with providing kosher food to a Jew, in a hospital?
I think the more Christian nurses witness to patients, the better.

My answers might surprise you.

Though I disagree that the US is a "Christian Nation," I don't oppose any of that. I think that if you have legitimate beliefs, then they should be accomodated as best as possible. As for the witnessing, I have no problem with it as long as the person indicates they are willing to hear and receptive to it.

I imagine you're a liberal, and you would just love to make it a hate crime to NOT turn beds towards Mecca, in a hospital.

I am somewhat liberal, yes. No, I wouldn't consider it a "hate crime" but I think it would be wrong for a hospital to offer belief-related extra services to people of other faiths and deny this to a Muslim.

Are you a born again Christian, Kelli? Do you have a problem with people witnessing to others about salvation in Jesus Christ, alone?

I was a very dedicated, very born-again believer for nearly 20 years. I am now an agnostic with some Christian and what some might call pagan leanings.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

I'm not sure that it's the Muslims who are getting ridiculous. Muslims have been praying towards the east for centuries. Nor do I think socialized medicine is at fault. What seems to be the problem here is Political Correctness gone wild. While it's reasonable that hospitals make some accomodations for faith during the time when the faithful need it the most, having all the staff drop everything just to turn beds does seem a bit excessive.

Possibly, yes. But it is as important to a Muslim to face Mecca as it is for a Baptist to be baptised, and I think you have to keep that in mind as well.

It does seem to say something about the Muslim faith if their god cannot listen to their prayers if they aren't facing the right way due to being in a hospital bed.

Good 'ole Jesus, He'll listen to you east, west, north, south, or upside down! :smt023

The Christian God has his own quirks, don't you think? Think of OT law. All those animal sacrifices and rituals, among other things. Requiring a blood sacrifice for forgiveness? I don't say these things to be rude or disrespectful, it's just the way I see it. I think all religions have their shortcomings and quirks.

BTW Kelli, Welcome to the board!! :smt006 As you can see we have some very strong personalities here that aren't shy about mixing it up a bit, and going by your photo, it looks as though you're the kind of girl who can handle it. I hope you enjoy your time here on the board and feel free to share your thoughts on the different issues. I can pretty much guarantee you that everyone won't agree with you on everything, but then that would probably get a little boring anyway!

Thank you for the welcome. Going by my photo? What is is about my pic that gives you that idea? I thought you'd get that from my writing, LOL. But yes, I can handle myself quite well, I think. I may not agree with everything either, but I always try to be respectful, even if someone isn't respectful to me.

~Kelli

 

[geekgirlkelli]

My point is to get you to think, maybe get a different viewpoint and learn something.

Would that be a liberal, abortion-loving, sex education for all grades, I hate Bush, guns are bad,
regulate fat content in privately owned restaurant's menu choices, viewpoint, geekgirl?

Somewhat liberal, yes. And somewhat conservative in other ways. Are you really interested in my beliefs and leanings, or is your question rhetorical and meant to mock me?

In any case, I'll answer you anyway.

I don't love abortion. I don't believe in outlawing it but I do think there should be limits. I actually lean more towards pro-life than pro-abortion. I don't believe in sex education for all ages necessarily, but I do believe in reasonable sex-ed, and the ability for parents to opt their kids out if they choose.

I definitely think Bush is not only stupid, but has been very destructive to this country and should be removed from office. But, I'm no fan of Hilary either, if that's what you're assuming.

I have no problem with guns, but I also believe in personal responsibility. I think people who have guns should be rigorously trained in gun safety and use, and they definitely should be subject to background checks. I don't even believe that you should be made to keep a gun in a locked cabinet. That kind of defeats the purpose of having one. Instead, you should teach everyone in your household how destructive a gun can be when used improperly, and store them in a reasonably safe fashion.

Why would you assume, when I don't believe that books should be banned, that I would believe in regulating the food industry? Again, I believe in personal responsibility, and that means that if you're too lazy or careless to take care of your body, then you're going to suffer the consequences. It's not up to me or the government to tell you what you should and shouldn't eat. Just don't come looking for government handouts when you're 450 lbs., a diabetic, and have heart problems because you had no self-control over your eating habits for the last 30 years.

Does that answer your questions sufficiently?

 

[handy]

The Christian God has his own quirks, don't you think? Think of OT law. All those animal sacrifices and rituals, among other things. Requiring a blood sacrifice for forgiveness? I don't say these things to be rude or disrespectful, it's just the way I see it. I think all religions have their shortcomings and quirks.

I agree that all religions have their shortcomings and quirks. The issue of requiring a blood sacrifice for forgivenss is a heady subject and too deep to go into on this thread, but I see your point: The Muslim would probably say that their reasons for needing to face east during prayer is just as heady and deep.

More to the point of the thread though, just where does accomodation need to end? Take your example of the animal sacrifices. Suppose the Jews still sacrificed animals to this day? Suppose that in order for them to be able to seek God's forgiveness, in a hospital setting, it was required that an animal be sacrificed? I don't know much about Voo-Doo, but I know that they sacrifice chickens and other small animals in some of their rituals. Does a hospital need to accomodate that?

I'm all for respect of other religions. As a Christain, I think it's very important to be respectful, because it's hard to share Christ's love with someone, if I'm just being rude and obnoxious. (I figure, I don't listen to the rude and obnoxious, so why should they listen to me?) But, hospitals have a very specific function: a place where folks need to be healed and brought back to health. If all religious beliefs were equally accomodated, it would begin to hinder the hospital staff to do what they need to do. And, it sounds as though that particular hospital in England has reached that point.

 

[stovebolts]

The Christian God has his own quirks, don't you think? Think of OT law. All those animal sacrifices and rituals, among other things. Requiring a blood sacrifice for forgiveness?

You can say that pretty easily, but can you say that you understood the rituals and what they represented? If you don't understand the offerings, you'll more than likely misunderstand what the death of Jesus represented as well as the Lord's Supper and Baptism.

To sum it up, a Sin offering (fully burnt) was put on the alter each day. From there, there were two other major offerings, the primary being the fellowship offering.
The fellowship offering was to be a communal meal and held the regulation that it needed to be eaten within two days. Now, imagine bringing an 800 or a 1200 lb bull in for a fellowship offering.. how many people would it take to eat it within two days?

The alter was where sins were atoned for, but the table is where the people celebrated in the presence of God and they were blessed.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

You can say that pretty easily, but can you say that you understood the rituals and what they represented? If you don't understand the offerings, you'll more than likely misunderstand what the death of Jesus represented as well as the Lord's Supper and Baptism.

I do understand these things, but it's not really relevant to the conversation. The point is that the Muslims have their customs that are just as important to them as your are to you.