Muslims getting ridiculous

[stovebolts]

You can say that pretty easily, but can you say that you understood the rituals and what they represented? If you don't understand the offerings, you'll more than likely misunderstand what the death of Jesus represented as well as the Lord's Supper and Baptism.

I do understand these things, but it's not really relevant to the conversation. The point is that the Muslims have their customs that are just as important to them as your are to you.

It's relevant to the conversation as long as it shows that if we don't understand our own background, how are we to judge the rites and rituals of those in other religions.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

I agree that all religions have their shortcomings and quirks. The issue of requiring a blood sacrifice for forgivenss is a heady subject and too deep to go into on this thread, but I see your point: The Muslim would probably say that their reasons for needing to face east during prayer is just as heady and deep.

I agree, it is beyond the scope of this thread. But yes, that is my point.

More to the point of the thread though, just where does accomodation need to end? Take your example of the animal sacrifices. Suppose the Jews still sacrificed animals to this day? Suppose that in order for them to be able to seek God's forgiveness, in a hospital setting, it was required that an animal be sacrificed? I don't know much about Voo-Doo, but I know that they sacrifice chickens and other small animals in some of their rituals. Does a hospital need to accomodate that?

I think we agree on this. I don't know whether it's reasonable or not. I think it does depend on how far they would be willing to go to accomodate the practices of any other faith. Anything less *is* discriminatory.

I'm all for respect of other religions. As a Christain, I think it's very important to be respectful, because it's hard to share Christ's love with someone, if I'm just being rude and obnoxious. (I figure, I don't listen to the rude and obnoxious, so why should they listen to me?) But, hospitals have a very specific function: a place where folks need to be healed and brought back to health. If all religious beliefs were equally accomodated, it would begin to hinder the hospital staff to do what they need to do. And, it sounds as though that particular hospital in England has reached that point.

I appreciate your position and your being willing to disagree without being "disagreeable." or disrespectful. If only more Christians were like you. It seems many Christians are content with just believing they are right no matter what and that they have some kind of license to beat up anyone who disagrees with them. Thank you.

 

[kenan]

Late to the topic, but anyways...

The procedure of moving the beds to face Mecca so the sick can pray is completely unnecessary because the Qur'an states that the sick are not required to pray.

 

[geekgirlkelli]

Late to the topic, but anyways...

The procedure of moving the beds to face Mecca so the sick can pray is completely unnecessary because the Qur'an states that the sick are not required to pray.

Interesting. Can you cite where this is found? I have read parts of the Qur'an but don't know enough of it to have known that.

~Kelli

 

[Biblereader]

An authentic reply from someone who lives IN the U.K.! This validates my viewpoint, and many other Americans, and probably many Brits.

His reply:
I live less than half an hour from Dewsbury.
This is just another pathetic extra that we Brits are handing out to religious fanatics.
As I see it, and I live amongst many muslims, it's time we told them to get stuffed. It's not OUR problem, it's THEIRS. I can assure you that my local club gets full of these scum. They have no intention whatever of trying to bring up their families as British. They will always be Muslims from where they came from.
They DO behave like animals, have respect for no-one, and treat not just theirs, but OUR women as scum. The next time anyone sees a bunch of Muslims stood ogling a young white artiste on a stage, ask them where their wives are. If you dare.
I shudder to think how these cretins treat the nurses who have to care for them.
Sod Mecca, getting to heaven is their problem, and my wish. The sooner the better.

 

[Biblereader]

Late to the topic, but anyways...

The procedure of moving the beds to face Mecca so the sick can pray is completely unnecessary because the Qur'an states that the sick are not required to pray.

Amen to that! I personally know a woman who WAS married to a Muslim, (he left her for another woman whom he got pregnant)and this is basically what she said. She said God does not require a sick or elderly person to kneel and pray. She ALSO said, the family members should be taking care of the family in the hospital, NOT the nursing staff!

I posted this, to show this is yet another reason to reject the lies of Islam. These mslms are just walking all over the Brits, enjoying every humiliation they can inflict on them.
It's sickening.

 

[Biblereader]

I do understand these things, but it's not really relevant to the conversation. The point is that the Muslims have their customs that are just as important to them as your are to you

No, the point is, this bed moving in the hospitals is UNimportant, as far as receiving good health care. Get the families to move the stupid beds. Looks like the Islamic faith lacks a lot in the area of taking care of one's OWN family, providing for them, etc.
Where are the devout family members, who are supposed to take care of the sick family members in the hospital?
Americans are well known for spending the night in the hospital with sick loved ones, watching over them, taking care of them, and letting the nurses do nursing.

 

[Biblereader]

Are you really interested in my beliefs and leanings, or is your question rhetorical and meant to mock me?
No, I don't want to mock you. Just the liberal religion of intolerance and bigotry, in general.

I don't love abortion. I don't believe in outlawing it but I do think there should be limits. I actually lean more towards pro-life than pro-abortion. I don't believe in sex education for all ages necessarily, but I do believe in reasonable sex-ed, and the ability for parents to opt their kids out if they choose.
See, here we have refusal of the liberal to take responsibility for the junk they are forcing on society. Teach little kids how to put condoms on cucumbers....WHY???
Teach pre teens about sexual intercourse, and then open the abortion clinics....not caring one whit about the spiritual devastation, or the emotional trauma inflicted upon thousands of ignorant kids, believing what the educational institution tells them about sex outside of marriage, and then reaping the horrible consequence of abortion.

I definitely think Bush is not only stupid, but has been very destructive to this country and should be removed from office. But, I'm no fan of Hilary either, if that's what you're assuming.
Nope, not assuming that.
I have no problem with guns,
well, that's good. You're going to need one, when we get overrun with Muslims.

Why would you assume, when I don't believe that books should be banned, that I would believe in regulating the food industry?
How does book banning connect with food industry regulation?

 

[Biblereader]

Late to the topic, but anyways...

The procedure of moving the beds to face Mecca so the sick can pray is completely unnecessary because the Qur'an states that the sick are not required to pray.

Interesting. Can you cite where this is found? I have read parts of the Qur'an but don't know enough of it to have known that.

~Kelli

Just take kenan's word for it.

 

[Veritas]

Why do the nurses have to be trained to do this? If it's important to face mecca , shouldn't other peoples of the Muslim faith be volunteering their time in the hospital to provide this service?

 

[turnorburn]

Why all of the attention towards Muslums, are you trying to make a point
The shingle out front says Christian Forums, so we are most certainly not
converting to a religion that has, how did you say, quirks? :wink:

 

[kenan]

Late to the topic, but anyways...

The procedure of moving the beds to face Mecca so the sick can pray is completely unnecessary because the Qur'an states that the sick are not required to pray.

Interesting. Can you cite where this is found? I have read parts of the Qur'an but don't know enough of it to have known that.

~Kelli

Just take kenan's word for it.

Sorry, it might not be in the Qur'an; it could be a Hadith.

 

[Biblereader]

Yes, the point is simple. Muslims are out to take over the world, just as they have been doing for the past few years.
Giving them an inch, or, political correctness, is a grave error.

And, here in America, it's gotten a foothold, and we need to push their foot out of the
doorway.
Look at this:
http://bluestarchronicles.com/2007/03/1 ... et-stores/

If you live in America, you should adapt to AMERICAN culture.

 

[handy]

It's not that I'm disagreeing with you BB. Actually, I've spent a lot of time "casting the care" on Jesus about my worries regarding what kind of country my children are going to live in. The type of footholds you are talking about were the same footholds the Muslims took in Europe in the last decade, and things are really getting to the breaking point over there now, especially in France. PC prevents clear coverage of the news, but the truth of the matter is that the riots in France are with Muslim youths.

But, and this is a big But, we do have religious freedom here in America. Because America is a country founded on the principle of "Of the people, For the people and By the people" America will only be a "Christian" nation if a very large majority of the people are Christian. For the minorities, they are still nonetheless free to practice their religion and we know, both as Christians and as Americans that it is wrong to try to force our religion upon others.

So, the issue is complicated, very complicated. And we need to keep in mind the Law of Unintended Consequenses. Use our laws now to force Muslims to sell pork to people, and those same laws will be used against us, if, say for instance, a Christian pharmicist doesn't want to sell the abortion pill.

The horizon does look a bit bleak at times. The fact is that ALL human governments contain a fatal flaw, and will eventually fall. It could be that America's fatal flaw is the embracing of personal and religious freedoms, to the point that we won't stop the Muslims from forcing their religion on us. It could happen. Will it matter to me if it does? As a red-blooded American girl, you bet your bippy it matters! But, as a Christian, I know that my true hope and my true allegience is to God first, and I must be wise, strong, and yet also be willing to face whatever His will is for this country.

Right now, America is still considered a "Christian" nation, by the fact that more people in this country say that they are Chrisitans. But, if we are a "Christian" nation, we are collectively not doing too good a job at showing the world God's love and His holiness. And, we just might wind up paying a price for that.