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[_ Old Earth _] Mutations Always Result in a Loss

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Mutations Always Result in a Loss
Darwin’s original theory of evolution included the idea that environmental changes could cause structural changes to occur in plants and animals. He also postulated that these acquired characteristics could be transmitted to offspring. In other words, a horse-like animal, by stretching its neck to reach the leaves in a tree, would be at an advantage if it had a longer neck. So after a life time of using its body in this way, it might develop a longer neck and would pass on this characteristic (which was acquired during its lifetime) to its offspring. This original belief, known as Lamarckism, has been shown false and has been replaced by the belief that mutations are the driving force behind evolution.
Mutations are mistakes made during the transfer of information from the genes of one generation to the next (birth defects are examples of these.) Believers in evolution postulate that if these mistakes are beneficial to the animal it will give the mutated animal an advantage, and natural selection will then preferentially select these animals for survival. Although this belief seems logical, it does not fit reality.
Mutations are mistakes which have never produced a long term benefit. Even examples of “beneficial†mutations, such as sickle cell anemia (a fatal disease which imparts a resistance to malaria) do not create new features or improve overall survivability. One hundred years of experimentation has shown that mutations can not develop new organisms or even cause useful changes to existing organisms. This is because mutations never add useful information. They are exactly analogous to random misspellings in a book. Therefore this mechanism for evolution, even in combination with natural selection, fails to explain how new functional structures could arise.
During the last century millions of fruit flies have been irradiated in laboratory experiments to observe the effect of mutations. The mutation rate has been increased by as much as 15,000 times1. The results of this experiment simulate millions of years of evolutionary progress. What has resulted are big-winged, small-winged, wrinkled-winged, and no-winged fruit flies; large-bodied, small bodied, and no-bodied fruit flies; red-eyed, speckled-eyed, leg-in-place of eye fruit flies; many bristled or no bristled fruit flies; but mainly dead or sterile fruit flies. In conclusion, researchers began with fruit flies and end up with...well...fruit flies - defective ones.
Furthermore, after several generations, even changes in the number of bristles on the irradiated fruit flies reverted back to the original number.2 No new organ or useful functioning feature has ever developed.
The belief that mutations could slowly change an animal into some other animal is analogous to believing that an old vacuum tube black and white television could be changed into an color liquid crystal monitor by throwing random parts at it. The impacts will definitely produce changes (given the quality of current TV shows it could even be argued that these changes would be beneficial), but they certainly will not change the unit into a color TV.
In the same way, mutations may produce changes, and it is remotely possible that some may be beneficial, but they will not change an organism into some other type of organism. For that to happen, useful information would have to be added to the DNA of the creature. This simply is not going to happen as a result of random mutations.
It would seem that this commonly accepted evolutionary mechanism (mutations) has serious flaws which are seldom reported to students or to the general public.

1. E.J. Gardner, Principles of Genetics, (N.Y.: Wily, 1964) p. 180.
2. N. MacBeth, “The Question: Darwinism Revisitedâ€Â, Yale Review, June, 1967, p. 622.
 
So you're saying you can't make a mistake but end up with a better proceedure or product then what you intended on making?
 
This is because mutations never add useful information.
Utter garbage...beneficial mutations have been observed many many times. The rest falls apart as it is based on a wrong premise.
 
The idea that favorable, spontaneous, and inheritable mutations occur at all (much less frequently) has never been demonstrated.

However, it may be pointless to try to explain this to those who are enemies of God;

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

2 Thessalonians 9-12
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

John 3:18-19
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Homosexuality may only be one of the expressions of a reprobate mind that the Lord allows to befall those who reject Him

Romans 1:28-32
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

It is only logical to observe that spontaneous, beneficial, and inheritable mutations do not occur. Even if they did occur, they would have to occur at a rate more frequent than spontaneous, disadvantageous, and inheritable mutations to have any statistical effect in an evolutionary system. The mind that rejects God has no connection to the source of wisdom and quickly becomes debased. One should not expect such a mind to respond at all to logic or truth.

Francis Schaeffer once said that if you have no absolute truth by which to judge society, society itself becomes a type of truth. Tyranny of the mob is returning in force. Christians have been all too willing to surrender their children to the indoctrination into the state religion of secularism (the worship of man in general and self in particular) which is the first objective of public education. The "marketplace of ideas" is a myth. It was used to lull Christians into allowing evil ideas from Satan to be taught to their children. Now that these ideas are predominant, Christians are slowly beginning to discover that there is no marketplace, and if there were, their ideas would still not be allowed in.

The problem is not trying to prove the strange, irrational, illogical, and unscientific ideas of evolution as false. The problem is how to survive the coming persecution.
 
Timf said:
The idea that favorable, spontaneous, and inheritable mutations occur at all (much less frequently) has never been demonstrated.
Wrong.

Bennett, A.F., Lenski, R.E., & Mittler, J.E. (1992). Evolutionary adaptation to temperature I. Fitness responses of Escherichia coli to changes in its thermal environment. Evolution, 46:16-30.


Francis, J.E., & Hansche, P.E. (1972) Directed evolution of metabolic pathways in microbial populations. I. Modification of the acid phosphatase pH optimum in Saccharaomyces cervisiae. Genetics, 70: 59-73.

Francis, J.E., & Hansche, P.E. (1973) Directed evolution of metabolic pathways in microbial populations. II. A repeatable adaptation in Saccharaomyces cervisiae. Genetics, 74:259-265.

Hansche, P.E. (1975) Gene duplication as a mechanism of genetic adaptation in Saccharaomyces cervisiae. Genetics, 79: 661-674.

Papadopoulos, D., Schneider, D., Meier-Eiss, J., Arber, W., Lenski, R. E., Blot, M. (1999). Genomic evolution during a 10,000-generation
experiment with bacteria. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. U. S. A. 96: 3807-3812

Boraas, M. E. 1983. Predator induced evolution in chemostat culture. EOS. Transactions of the American Geophysical Union. 64:1102.

Contribution of individual random mutations to genotype-by-environment interactions in Escherichia coli Susanna K. Remold* and Richard E. Lenski Center for Microbial Ecology, Michigan State University, East Lansing, MI 48824

Lin, E.C.C., & Wu, T.T. (1984) Functional divergence of the L-Fucose system in Escherichia coli. In R.P. Mortlock (ed.), "Microorganisms as Model Systems for Studying Evolution" (pp. 135-164) Plenum, New York.

...to name just a few.
 
Timf said:
The idea that favorable, spontaneous, and inheritable mutations occur at all (much less frequently) has never been demonstrated.
Where did nylonase come from, then?
Why CAN'T mutations create a creature more suitable to their environment and to work with their conditions?
 
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