Bible Study My God, My God

[for_his_glory]

Habakkuk 1:13 Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, and canst not look on iniquity: wherefore lookest thou upon them that deal treacherously, and holdest thy tongue when the wicked devoureth the man that is more righteous than he?

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Both these verses above shows that God did not forsake Christ while He hung on the cross, but that it grieved him at His heart that the world became so sinful that He had to give His only begotten Son to be the final blood sacrifice that through Him and those who come to Him can have eternal life with the Father, John 3:16. This was God's divine plan in the beginning, even before the foundation of the world.

Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Psalm 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

God never forsook Jesus as deity can not be separated. Comparing the above verses in Psalms and Matthew Jesus was declaring to His accusers as He hung on the cross that they were in the midst of fulfilling Psalms 22. The psalmist himself understood that the forsaking of God was not abandonment, but a lifting of His Sovereign protection according to His divine plan so the threats of His enemies could be carried out in prophecy. There were many times during Jesus ministry that the enemy wanted to kill Him, but they couldn't as His time had not yet come from above, John 7:30

2 Corinthians 5:21; 1 Peter 1:19 Jesus, a lamb without spot or blemish. God made Jesus to be sin for us who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.

 

[Who Me]

God never forsook Jesus as deity can not be separated

Yet Jesus limited himself and became not another Spirit but man.
He was apart from God, at various times angels came to minister to him.

Why, if God the Father and God the Son were inseparable, did Jesus cry out, " Why have you forsaken me! "

Jesus's spiritual anguishwhile in the garden tells us that there were aspects of cal art that he did not want to go through.

That he you're the pain of being flogged, and being crucified implies that there was something else that he was not lookIng forward to.

In my opinion it was becoming sin, becoming repugnant to his Father and like us being alienated from God.

How else could he truly be said to have experience what we experience.

 

[for_his_glory]

Yet Jesus limited himself and became not another Spirit but man.
He was apart from God, at various times angels came to minister to him.

Why, if God the Father and God the Son were inseparable, did Jesus cry out, " Why have you forsaken me! "

Jesus's spiritual anguishwhile in the garden tells us that there were aspects of cal art that he did not want to go through.

That he you're the pain of being flogged, and being crucified implies that there was something else that he was not lookIng forward to.

In my opinion it was becoming sin, becoming repugnant to his Father and like us being alienated from God.

How else could he truly be said to have experience what we experience.

Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

We have to remember that Jesus, while here on earth, was also human as the word (God) made flesh to walk among us, John 1:1-14. The human part of Jesus that felt pain and anguish cried out to God that if it was possible to let this cup pass from Him, but Jesus knew that was impossible because of the whole reason He was sent to earth in order to seek and save the lost being the final unblemished blood sacrifice for sin. When Jesus cried out on the cross, God did not forsake Him, but had to temporarily turn away while Jesus was taking all our sin upon Himself as God being Holy and pure cannot look upon sin that Jesus was making atonement for our sin.


Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Luke 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

 

[Who Me]

We have to remember that Jesus, while here on earth, was also human as the word (God) made flesh to walk among us, John 1:1-14. The human part of Jesus that felt pain and anguish cried out to God that if it was possible to let this cup pass from Him

Jesus was fully God and fully man when he walked this earth. It was not play acting and the God/man experienced what we experience.
Jesus is still the God/man he still had a body a supernatural body but one that could eat food, be touched etc.

As to whether God the Father ruptured the7nion with God the Son or whether God the Father in some way drastically Limited there union so Jesus spiritually felt that he was forsaken we may never know.

What we do know is that the sky darken, it was night durring the day and that Jesus cried out because he felt forsaken. He no longer had the communion he normally had with his Father.

 

[for_his_glory]

Jesus was fully God and fully man when he walked this earth. It was not play acting and the God/man experienced what we experience.
Jesus is still the God/man he still had a body a supernatural body but one that could eat food, be touched etc.

As to whether God the Father ruptured the7nion with God the Son or whether God the Father in some way drastically Limited there union so Jesus spiritually felt that he was forsaken we may never know.

What we do know is that the sky darken, it was night durring the day and that Jesus cried out because he felt forsaken. He no longer had the communion he normally had with his Father.

I don't think the union between Father and Son could ever be severed, but in the anguish that Jesus was about to go through, even though He already knew what was to happen, the human part of Him while here on earth would be hard to go through what He was to deal with for the love He has for everyone. He knew that the cup would not pass from Him and that all was God's will for humankind to be set free from their sin.

 

[miamited]

16 times in the gospel accounts of people actually addressing Jesus or speaking about him, he is addressed as 'rabbi'. 47 times in the gospel accounts, Jesus is referred to as 'teacher'. These numbers may be slightely different based on the specific translation that one is using. Both 'rabbi' and 'teacher' intend the same meaning when referring to Jesus. Rabbi being limited to someone who teaches in the Jewish culture the things of God, whereas teacher can mean someone who teaches about any subject with which they claim to have knowledge. But, in its use as a word to address Jesus, they both intend the same thing. He was a teacher of the law and the prophets and all the things concerning his Father.

Jesus even at one point makes the claim that they are right in calling him teacher. Therefore, we know that he did accept that title as being a claim to the things that he spoke.

Personally, I have a hard time considering that God forsook His Son. He was, after all doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing by the Father's will and God had known since the beginning of the creation that this day was coming and so I find it difficult that God would forsake someone who was doing His will better than anyone ever had living upon the earth. Now, there is the argument to be made that God cannot look upon sin. So, I don't doubt that He may have looked away from Jesus as he was dying, but I wouldn't call that forsaking him since three days later God raised this man Jesus from the dead. Everything that happened to Jesus had been foretold exactly as it played out on that hillside outside of Jerusalem. God knew that it had to happen and Jesus knew that it had to happen in this way, even though yes, Jesus did ask that if there were any other way that God's will could be accomplished in saving sinners, that he, Jesus, might be released from bearing his cup of duty and obligation to the Father.

There is a method which was used in the synagogue, and even when people were talking about the things of God, that I think we have lost sight of since our Scriptures are now divided by chapter and verse numbering. Today, if you want to speak to some group about a particular piece of the Scriptures, you merely say, "well, it says in Isaiah chapter 3 and verse 1..." Everyone can then turn in their copy of the Scriptures and follow along with what is going to be talked about. Of course, in ancient Israel people didn't have a personal copy of the Scriptures. There were many copies made, but those copies were generally held by the synagogue and were taught from by the rabbi/teachers. Just as we read in Jesus' first teaching in the synagogue that someone handed him the scroll of Isaiah the prophet. Jesus didn't have a copy of the Scriptures in a nice book binder with pens and pencils and a little carrying handle.

Also, as I mentioned, in Jesus' day the Scriptures weren't divided by chapter and verse headings. So consider, how would a rabbi/teacher direct the hearer's attention to what he was going to be teaching about from the Scriptures? I contend, and there is proof of this, that the rabbi/teacher used a technique referred to as a 'remez' (re-may). This technique was for the teacher to say the first words of a passage and the people listening, as the Jewish people held the Scriptures in very, very high regard and many had memorized whole sections, would be able to recall some or all of what that place in the Scriptures where those first words were said was all about.

So, here we have the rabbi dying on the crossbeam. The teacher of Israel nearing his final breath upon the earth was still teaching. He called out to them, not to God, "My God, my God why have you forsaken me?" Drawing the attention of every Jew familiar with the Scriptures to the place in the Scriptures where those words were written. And what does that place in the Scriptures speak of? It recounts every detail and action that they were seeing before their very eyes. Within their hearing, as Jesus said in the synagogue where he first began his ministry quoting the words of Isaiah the prophet.

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from my cries of anguish?
My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, but I find no rest. Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the one Israel praises. In you our ancestors put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. To you they cried out and were saved; in you they trusted and were not put to shame. But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by everyone, despised by the people. All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads. “He trusts in the LORD,” they say, “let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.” Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast. From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God. Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. Roaring lions that tear their prey open their mouths wide against me. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted within me. My mouth is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death. Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet. All my bones are on display; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment. But you, LORD, do not be far from me. You are my strength; come quickly to help me. Deliver me from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs. Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save me from the horns of the wild oxen. I will declare your name to my people; in the assembly I will praise you. You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help. From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you I will fulfill my vows. The poor will eat and be satisfied; those who seek the LORD will praise him— may your hearts live forever! All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, for dominion belongs to the LORDand he rules over the nations. All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him— those who cannot keep themselves alive. Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. They will proclaim his righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn: He has done it!

It most specifically makes the claim that in their mocking they will say: “He trusts in the LORD,” they say, “let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.”

Here is what the Scriptures record for us in the actual mocking of Jesus as he hung on that crossbeam.

In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! He’s the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’ ”

Jesus loved us so much that even with his dying breaths, he was still teaching Israel the truth of who he was. And that's why Jesus cried out to those surrounding him, "My God, my God! Why have you forsaken me?"

 

[Hidden In Him]

Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Psalm 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour. 46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Not sure what everyone else has posted, but I have always taken Jesus' citation of Psalm 22 not to say that God had forsaken Him but to say that the Psalm was actually prophetic, and had prophesied what was now happening to Him before the eyes of all who looked on.

It was to say what Jesus sometimes said elsewhere when He quoted scripture, "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears."

 

[for_his_glory]

16 times in the gospel accounts of people actually addressing Jesus or speaking about him, he is addressed as 'rabbi'. 47 times in the gospel accounts, Jesus is referred to as 'teacher'. These numbers may be slightely different based on the specific translation that one is using. Both 'rabbi' and 'teacher' intend the same meaning when referring to Jesus. Rabbi being limited to someone who teaches in the Jewish culture the things of God, whereas teacher can mean someone who teaches about any subject with which they claim to have knowledge. But, in its use as a word to address Jesus, they both intend the same thing. He was a teacher of the law and the prophets and all the things concerning his Father.

Jesus even at one point makes the claim that they are right in calling him teacher. Therefore, we know that he did accept that title as being a claim to the things that he spoke.

Personally, I have a hard time considering that God forsook His Son. He was, after all doing exactly what he was supposed to be doing by the Father's will and God had known since the beginning of the creation that this day was coming and so I find it difficult that God would forsake someone who was doing His will better than anyone ever had living upon the earth. Now, there is the argument to be made that God cannot look upon sin. So, I don't doubt that He may have looked away from Jesus as he was dying, but I wouldn't call that forsaking him since three days later God raised this man Jesus from the dead. Everything that happened to Jesus had been foretold exactly as it played out on that hillside outside of Jerusalem. God knew that it had to happen and Jesus knew that it had to happen in this way, even though yes, Jesus did ask that if there were any other way that God's will could be accomplished in saving sinners, that he, Jesus, might be released from bearing his cup of duty and obligation to the Father.

There is a method which was used in the synagogue, and even when people were talking about the things of God, that I think we have lost sight of since our Scriptures are now divided by chapter and verse numbering. Today, if you want to speak to some group about a particular piece of the Scriptures, you merely say, "well, it says in Isaiah chapter 3 and verse 1..." Everyone can then turn in their copy of the Scriptures and follow along with what is going to be talked about. Of course, in ancient Israel people didn't have a personal copy of the Scriptures. There were many copies made, but those copies were generally held by the synagogue and were taught from by the rabbi/teachers. Just as we read in Jesus' first teaching in the synagogue that someone handed him the scroll of Isaiah the prophet. Jesus didn't have a copy of the Scriptures in a nice book binder with pens and pencils and a little carrying handle.

Also, as I mentioned, in Jesus' day the Scriptures weren't divided by chapter and verse headings. So consider, how would a rabbi/teacher direct the hearer's attention to what he was going to be teaching about from the Scriptures? I contend, and there is proof of this, that the rabbi/teacher used a technique referred to as a 'remez' (re-may). This technique was for the teacher to say the first words of a passage and the people listening, as the Jewish people held the Scriptures in very, very high regard and many had memorized whole sections, would be able to recall some or all of what that place in the Scriptures where those first words were said was all about.

So, here we have the rabbi dying on the crossbeam. The teacher of Israel nearing his final breath upon the earth was still teaching. He called out to them, not to God, "My God, my God why have you forsaken me?" Drawing the attention of every Jew familiar with the Scriptures to the place in the Scriptures where those words were written. And what does that place in the Scriptures speak of? It recounts every detail and action that they were seeing before their very eyes. Within their hearing, as Jesus said in the synagogue where he first began his ministry quoting the words of Isaiah the prophet.

My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from my cries of anguish?
My God, I cry out by day, but you do not answer, by night, but I find no rest. Yet you are enthroned as the Holy One; you are the one Israel praises. In you our ancestors put their trust; they trusted and you delivered them. To you they cried out and were saved; in you they trusted and were not put to shame. But I am a worm and not a man, scorned by everyone, despised by the people. All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads. “He trusts in the LORD,” they say, “let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.” Yet you brought me out of the womb; you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast. From birth I was cast on you; from my mother’s womb you have been my God. Do not be far from me, for trouble is near and there is no one to help. Many bulls surround me; strong bulls of Bashan encircle me. Roaring lions that tear their prey open their mouths wide against me. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted within me. My mouth is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth; you lay me in the dust of death. Dogs surround me, a pack of villains encircles me; they pierce my hands and my feet. All my bones are on display; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment. But you, LORD, do not be far from me. You are my strength; come quickly to help me. Deliver me from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dogs. Rescue me from the mouth of the lions; save me from the horns of the wild oxen. I will declare your name to my people; in the assembly I will praise you. You who fear the LORD, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, honor him! Revere him, all you descendants of Israel! For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help. From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you I will fulfill my vows. The poor will eat and be satisfied; those who seek the LORD will praise him— may your hearts live forever! All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him, for dominion belongs to the LORDand he rules over the nations. All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him— those who cannot keep themselves alive. Posterity will serve him; future generations will be told about the Lord. They will proclaim his righteousness, declaring to a people yet unborn: He has done it!

It most specifically makes the claim that in their mocking they will say: “He trusts in the LORD,” they say, “let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him.”

Here is what the Scriptures record for us in the actual mocking of Jesus as he hung on that crossbeam.

In the same way the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders mocked him. “He saved others,” they said, “but he can’t save himself! He’s the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him. He trusts in God. Let God rescue him now if he wants him, for he said, ‘I am the Son of God.’ ”

Jesus loved us so much that even with his dying breaths, he was still teaching Israel the truth of who he was. And that's why Jesus cried out to those surrounding him, "My God, my God! Why have you forsaken me?"

When Jesus walked the earth they only knew Him as Rabbi/teacher as even the 12 disciples only knew that He was sent by God, but did not know Jesus as Messiah come to them. Before the Bible was first printed no one had the writings of Jesus to sit down and read them as these, especially in the NT were letters written by the Apostles as there were no chapters and verse numbering. I like to read them as in the letters without chapter and numbering and even the punctuation as it makes a big difference for our understanding. When you get down to it, it's the Holy Spirit that teaches us everything God wants us to learn. Apart from the Holy Spirit man can teach us nothing, John 14:26; 1John 2:27.

 

[Who Me]

Part of the penalty, the punishment for sin is separation from God.
In saying that God the Father did not forsake God the Son when he became our sin, is to minimise the punishment that Jesus took on our behalf.

If Jesus did not suffer the ultimate penalty did he really love us?

 

[miamited]

Hi Who Me

So, it was a rhetorical question Jesus asked even though he knew the answer.

 

[for_his_glory]

Part of the penalty, the punishment for sin is separation from God.
In saying that God the Father did not forsake God the Son when he became our sin, is to minimise the punishment that Jesus took on our behalf.

If Jesus did not suffer the ultimate penalty did he really love us?

Jesus never became our sin, but took all our sin upon Himself so we could repent of our sin and made renewed in God's righteousness.

1Pe 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
1Pe 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1Pe 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
1Pe 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
1Pe 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

 

[Who Me]

Jesus never became our sin

2 cor 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Niv.
. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.Akj

The bible says differently.

 

[for_his_glory]

2 cor 5:21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. Niv.
. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.Akj

The bible says differently.

Yes, Jesus was made sin for us taking all of it and nailing our sin to the cross.

 

[Who Me]

Yes, Jesus was made sin for us taking all of it and nailing our sin to the cross.

Which contradicts your post 11.

 

[Randy]

Yet Jesus limited himself and became not another Spirit but man.
He was apart from God, at various times angels came to minister to him.

Why, if God the Father and God the Son were inseparable, did Jesus cry out, " Why have you forsaken me! "

As the Son Jesus could state how He feels, NOT the Father, at any given moment. He was in utter agony. He weathered the storm as He also stated, "Father into your hands I commit My spirit" We know the Father did not forsake Him.

Jesus's spiritual anguishwhile in the garden tells us that there were aspects of cal art that he did not want to go through.

As the Son of Man he had to learn dependence from another. In His case the Father.
During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. 8Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered 9and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him 10and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

That he you're the pain of being flogged, and being crucified implies that there was something else that he was not lookIng forward to.

In my opinion it was becoming sin, becoming repugnant to his Father and like us being alienated from God.

How else could he truly be said to have experience what we experience.

The Father is in the Son always. They are one. Whatever the Spirit of God touches becomes Holy. We ourselves were sinners and were washed and sanctified inwardly by the Spirit. He shed His blood for the forgiveness of sins. A Holy sacrifice before God. I don't see the Father leaving Jesus on that cross rather I see the Spirit strengthening Jesus in His inner being in that sacrifice just as the Spirit helps us in our weaknesses of the flesh. He would experience the aid of the Spirit in Him in the weakness of the flesh as we do. The Father in Him and He in us.

 

[for_his_glory]

Which contradicts your post 11.

I should have explained what I meant in post #11, sorry. Many think that since Jesus became sin for us that they can do whatever they want for after all Jesus took all our sin upon Himself.

 

[Who Me]

don't think the union between Father and Son could ever be severed,

But was it severed?
Just asJesus did not exhibit all his Godly powers, so God the Father could severely curtail the union he had with his Son.

Did Jesus fully experience death for us, is not the ultimate death separation from God.
Is not the comprehending of the awfulness of calvary part of our understanding of the depth of his love for us.

A children's story, ' Do you love me! ' where a parent and child say how much they love the other. The mother with vastly more experience is always able to top her child's expression of love. The mother was far more willing to go further, just how willing was Jesus prepared to go?
Was calvary literally hell on eath or was it a show that appeared to be hell on earth.

Tough words, but what is being discussed is tough.

 

[hawkman]

Jesus is still the God/man he still had a body a supernatural body but one that could eat food, be touched etc.

You are saying the risen Christ had a supernatural body , correct ?

 

[Randy]

You are saying the risen Christ had a supernatural body , correct ?

He has a glorified body. IN Him all the fullness of the deity dwells bodily.
Phil 3
But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

Jesus has the Supremacy in all things. He is the beginning of the resurrection He spoke of and the firstborn from the dead. We don't know about this new body in the order of spirit but we know we shall be like Him at our resurrection. Those left alive on that day will be caught up so they to may be clothed with immortality. As flesh and blood cannot inherit the eternal kingdom/life God promised to those who love and obey Him. Paul wrote about these new bodies as I believe you are aware.

 

[for_his_glory]

But was it severed?
Just asJesus did not exhibit all his Godly powers, so God the Father could severely curtail the union he had with his Son.

Did Jesus fully experience death for us, is not the ultimate death separation from God.
Is not the comprehending of the awfulness of calvary part of our understanding of the depth of his love for us.

A children's story, ' Do you love me! ' where a parent and child say how much they love the other. The mother with vastly more experience is always able to top her child's expression of love. The mother was far more willing to go further, just how willing was Jesus prepared to go?
Was calvary literally hell on eath or was it a show that appeared to be hell on earth.

Tough words, but what is being discussed is tough.

John 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
John 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

God is Spirit and we worship Him in Spirit and truth. When we break that fellowship as Adam did then it becomes a type of death in that we no longer have that Spiritual relationship with God which leaves us spiritually dead inside.

The Biblical definition of spiritual death is the absence of having spiritual life, which is only available in the Lord Jesus Christ. When Adam broke that fellowship he had with God by being disobedient he broke that Spiritual relationship with God and became Spiritually dead within his inner man.


Isa 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

1John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

There are two types of death mentioned in scripture beginning with Adam. One is physical death and the other is Spiritual death. Not everyone will die before the return of Christ on the last day, but those who are already in their grave and those alive at the return of Christ who are Spiritually dead will have their part in the second death as death and the grave will be cast into the lake of fire in final judgement when the books are opened.