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My understanding of the rapture, 1000 year reign

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For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. (Romans 1:16 KJV)

To go forward from here, let’s go back a bit. Leviticus 23:9-14 explains the first fruits offering, it was to be a wave offering before the Lord, and it was to be offered with a “he lamb without blemishâ€Â. Sacrifices had to spotless, without blemish, not just this sacrifice. Now fast forward to Luke:

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. (Luke 16:31 KJV)

I know these two verses don’t seem to go together, but follow along. Miracles do not help the sinner to “see†Christ, nor does it help them to believe. If you remember, even Jesus was accused of working miracles through the power of demons.

The death and resurrection of Christ is a stumbling block to the Jews. Much like the rich man begging for Lazarus to be sent to his family, the Jews have been awaiting the Messiah. They missed Him some 2000 years ago. They could not see for looking, because they could not understand the word of the Old Testament prophets. The miracles that Christ and his disciples performed did not persuade them that Jesus was in fact the Christ. Much the same as Paul, they had, and still have, scales over their eyes (see Acts 9:18). They are blinded to the truth, yet despite this, they are still the chosen people of God. This blindness of the Jews is pre-determined, and only for a set amount of time.

For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (Romans 11:25 KJV)

The first fruit offering, Christ, is already in Heaven. The harvest of the field is now taking place among the Gentiles, and the gleaning of the field is about to happen. (See Deuteronomy 24:19-21 for explanation on gleaning). There is a remnant left of Israel for God’s glory in the tribulation.

How can anyone say for certain the end times are near? Consider the following scriptures:

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. (Matthew 24:5 KJV)

And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. (Matthew 24:6 KJV)

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. (Matthew 24:7 KJV)

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. (Matthew 24:11 KJV)

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Matthew 24:14 KJV)

So what happens once the fullness of the Gentiles is reached & the field is harvested? The short answer is the second coming of Christ, but there is some scripture that points to specific things.

First, look at Daniel chapter 9. The word translated as weeks refers to a period of seven years. Verse 25 tells us from the order to rebuild the city of Jerusalem to the Messiah is “seven weeks and threescore and two weeks†or 69 weeks or 483 years. This would put the end of the period at 27 A.D.; about the time Jesus started His ministry. Verse 26 tells the Messiah would be “cut off, but not for Himselfâ€Â. He was cut off as that spotless first fruit sacrifice, the he lamb, for you and me. Now skip back to verse 24, it says 70 weeks, not 69, right? The 70 weeks is to Jews and Jerusalem. After the death of the Jesus, the harvest is the fullness of the Gentiles, not the Jews. The 70th week is about to start. Look to verse 27:

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (Daniel 9:27 KJV)

Why would there be a covenant with a country that does not exist? No doubt this was and is a major stumbling block to many Jews. Their city, Jerusalem, was destroyed in 70 A.D. (fulfilling a prophesy of Christ) and existed no more until May 15, 1948, when Israel was formed for a 3rd time as a nation. Since this time land has been disputed and Jerusalem has been split between the Christians, Jews and Muslims. A man, the antichrist, will come forth and deliver a covenant guaranteeing peace and land. This same man, I believe, that offers the covenant is the “son of perdition, the man of sin†in 1 Thessalonians 2:3-4. This same passage also talks of a “falling awayâ€Â. Today we have a falling away that is immeasurable. While more and more people confess Christianity, they know not what they are confessing. They are confessing to a priest and praying to Mary. They are deceived by the false prophets of Mormonism. They are grabbing a hold of the love of money (the root of all evil and the modern day prosperity preaching). And above all, they are not preached the cross and Christ crucified. So what exactly are they confessing? One day soon they will see “lightning cometh out of the east; and shineth even unto the west†(Matthew 24:27 KJV). At that very moment, the harvest of the Gentile field is complete. Now all that remains is the field to be gleaned. The remnant of Jews must still come to know Jesus.

From this point forward is where a lot of divisiveness can come, and that is not my intent. This is simply my understanding based on my prayer and reading and studies. We will all, as Christians, one day have a full and complete understanding of these things. Even the book of Revelation speaks of things sealed up, not written of, but one day, we will know.

Immediately after the rapture, I think two very important things will occur. One will be the two witnesses spoken of in Revelation 11. I believe these to be Enoch and Elijah. These are the only two men to never taste physical death. Even Christ suffered a physical death. These two witnesses will preach for the first 3 ½ years of the tribulation. This will possibly be at what is currently known as the Temple Mount (my opinion). At this point, they too will come to know physical death (see Revelation 11:7) and be called to Heaven after 3 ½ days (Revelation 11:11-12). The gospel will still be preached after this point by angels. This is in Revelation 14:6. The gospel will be preached to the entire world, every nation, kindred and tongue. The other thing I believe will occur at the very start of the tribulation is the war mentioned in Ezekiel 39. Despite the covenant, Israel will come under attack.

At the 3-½ year mark, after the witnesses are killed and called home, there will be war on earth and also in Heaven. Currently, and from the beginning, satan has had access to Heaven (see Revelation 12:7-10 and Job 1:6). This will begin the “Great†tribulation, or the last 3 ½ years of the 7-year tribulation. The war in Heaven will be the casting out of satan and his demons. They will no longer have access to anything but Earth and hell. This period will bring forth the final of the seven trumpets, the messages of the angels, the seven plagues and the vials of God’s wrath. For the end of the tribulation, satan is finally bound and cast into the bottomless pit, sealed, and allowed no access to anything for 1000 years (Revelation 20:2-3). During the 1000-year reign of Christ on Earth, I have to imagine it will be very similar to both our current Earth, and the one of the Garden of Eden. The perfect nature God first implemented on Earth will be restored, and God will be the center. But the New Jerusalem is not descended yet, so Earth, I think, will remain much as we know it today, but we will be spiritual beings, in our new bodies. It is at the end of this 1000-year reign on Earth that satan will once again be loosed, and the final rebellion against God will occur. The devil will again roam the face of the earth, seeking whom he may devour, gathering one that wish to rebel against God as ruler and will come against God with his followers one last time and face final judgment (Revelation 20:7-10). At this time there will descend the New Jerusalem, with streets of gold and gates of pearl. But as beautiful as this sounds, our focus will not be on this at all. We will realize the very thing we strive for, the very thing we seek, the very face of God.

And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. (Revelation 22:4 KJV)

The end is coming soon, we do not know the time or day, but we should be ready at all times to be forever more with our Lord and Savior.

He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Revelation 22:20 KJV)
 
Thanks for sharing. It seems to me like typical pretribulation theory. I'm not a true futurist (mostly, I'm a historicist) and don't usually say what I believe unless I'm asked, but I'm sure you will get some debators and agreers out of this, for sure. :-D
 
Try locating the exact midpoint of the 70th week. Once that is located in Revelation, it is easy to see where the trumpets fit, and where the vials fit. I will give you a hint. Jesus told the people living in Judea that see the abomination playing out, to run for their lives. John shows this happening. Therefore, the midpoint of the week, and the abomintion MUST be before this.

Then, after the midpoint is found, notice where the two witnesses are introduced to John, in relation to the midpoint.

Happy hunting.

Coop
 
webb04

At the 3-½ year mark, after the witnesses are killed and called home, there will be war on earth and also in Heaven. Currently, and from the beginning, satan has had access to Heaven (see Revelation 12:7-10 and Job 1:6). This will begin the “Great†tribulation, or the last 3 ½ years of the 7-year tribulation.

Let me show you why this can't be true.

Let me say this first,concerning the rapture doctrine,satan comes to earth at the 6th trump,Christ dose'nt return until the 7th,I say that to say this,satan will already be here during the testamony of the two witnesses,he is the one that will kill them.

Now back to my point,the reason why this can't be true is because Christ returns within the hour after the two witnesses rise,meaning there can't be another 3 1/2 years left

Revelation 11:7 "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit [abyss] shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them."

The two witnesses' purpose for being on the earth at this time, was to be a testimony against Satan, the Antichrist. By doing this, they are also a witness to God's elect, of His Word. When this testimony is over, Satan the Antichrist will rise up and kill both of them.

Satan is the "beast out of the bottomless pit"

Revelation 11:8 "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sod'-om and E'-gypt, where also our Lord was crucified."

The two witnesses' bodies will lie in the "street", which in the Greek text reads "plateia", or "broad place", which, more then likely is a stadium or a large hall in Jerusalem. It is then that the entire world will celebrate. This also will set off a chain of events, and many of the prophecies throughout the Bible will occur in the next three and one half days.

Revelation 11:9 "And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves."

Through electronic means, and many visiting in person, the entire world will view, and witness the dead bodies of the two witnesses laying in this arena over the next three and a half days. Why?

It is obvious that these two are witnessing they are from Jesus the true Christ. Part of their testimony will be from the witness that if they be killed, their bodies will arise in three and a half days to meet the true Christ. Satan and his followers will be thinking at this time, "We're not going to let someone come and steal these bodies in the night." This was the same accusation that was made when Christ arose some two thousand years earlier. So there the witnesses lay, while the world watched and celebrated.

Revelation 11:11 "And after three days and an half the spirit [breath] of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them."

Most Christians will not even be aware of these two witnesses, or the three and a half day period, until the end of it, for they have been taught that they are going to fly away, for that is what their "rapture doctrine" taught them. In fact most think heaven and eternity is on some far away star or planet, and not here on earth.

After the three and a half days, this is what happens in Jerusalem. God will send those spiritual souls back to enter into the two rotting flesh bodies, and these two witness will stand to their feet. When this happens, and the cameras are focused upon the two witnesses, the people of the entire world are going to come under much fear. The people will not be just afraid, but a life threatening terror. And as the two witnesses stood to their feet, this "paralyzing fear ["epipipto" in the Greek]" will grip the entire world, especially the Christians who have worshipped the Antichrist.

Revelation 11:12 "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them."

Pay particularattention to this next verse,for it is the reason why there will not be another 3 1/2 years left

Revelation 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

Within the hour, the earthquake that is going to split the mount of Olives will take place. A way, or path will be made for Christ's children to make it back to Him.

Do you notice the 7000 that are killed,do you know who they are?another subject another time.

Revelation 11:15 "And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of Our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever."

This is the seventh and final trumpet, from the time that the two witnesses stand to their feet, we are dealing in seconds, and minutes for it all to occur. The third woe comes with the seventh trumpet. All prophecy in the entire Bible dealing with the seventh, and last trumpet happens instantly at this time.

The point Im making is that,Christ returns within the hour after the two witnesses rise meaning that there cannot be another 3 1/2 years
 
A man, the antichrist, will come forth and deliver a covenant guaranteeing peace and land. This same man, I believe, that offers the covenant is the “son of perdition, the man of sin†in 1 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

The anti christ is no mere man he is satan himself,he is the son of perdition,written of in 1 Thess

Here is a list of some of the other names for Satan in the Bible. Satan plays many roles and by knowing them it will give us a better understanding to his method of operation. The Scripture reference is not a complete list of every time these names are used, it is there to give you an example of how it is used in the Bible.

Name
Reference
Definition

Abaddon
Revelation 9:11
a destroying angel

The accuser of our brethren
Revelation 12:10
against one in the assembly, i.e. a complaintant at law; specially, Satan

The adversary
I Peter 5:8
an opponent (in a lawsuit); specially, Satan (as the arch-enemy)

Apollyon
Revelation 9:11
a destroyer (i.e. Satan)

Beelzebub
Matthew 12:24 Mark 3:22 Luke 11:15
dung-god; Beelzebul, a name of Satan

Belial
II Corinthians 6:15
worthlessness; Belial, as an epithet of Satan

the Devil
Matthew 4:1
a traducer; specially, Satan: false accuser, devil, slanderer.

dragon
Revelation 12:9 and 20:2
probably from an alternate form of derkomai (to look); a fabulous kind of serpent (perhaps as supposed to fascinate)

the enemy
Matthew 13:39
from a primary echtho (to hate); hateful (passively, odious, or actively, hostile); usually as a noun, an adversary (especially Satan)

father of all lies
John 8:44
a falsifier

god of this world
II Corinthians 4:4
god is used generically and refers to Satan

king of Babylon
Isaiah 14:4
confusion; Babel (i.e. Babylon), including Babylonia and the Babylonian empire

king of Tyrus
Ezekiel 28:12
a rock; Tsor, a place in Palestine. Satan is the false rock. Christ is the true Rock.

little horn
Daniel 7:8
a horn (as projecting); by implication, a flask, cornet; by resembl. an elephant's tooth (i.e. ivory), a corner (of the altar), a peak (of a mountain), a ray (of light); figuratively, power

Lucifer
Isaiah 14:12
(in the sense of brightness); the morning star: lucifer (the king of Babylon). Satan is the false morning star. Christ is the true morning Star.

man of sin
II Thessalonians 2:3
Satan was the first to sin. See Ezekiel 28:11-19

that old serpent
Revelation 12:9 and 20:2
old = original or primeval
serpent = (through the idea of sharpness of vision); a snake, figuratively (as a type of sly cunning) an artful malicious person, especially Satan

power of darkness
Colossians 1:13
"shade" or a shadow (literally or figuratively [darkness of error or an adumbration])

prince of the power of the air
Ephesians 2:2
prince = a first (in rank or power)
power = privilege, i.e. (subjectively) force, capacity, competency, freedom, or (objectively) mastery (concretely, magistrate, superhuman, potentate, token of control), delegated influence

prince that shall come
Daniel 9:26
a commander (as occupying the front), civil, military or religious; generally (abstractly, plural), honorable themes. See II Thessalonians 2:3-4 and Revelation 12:7-9

prince of Tyrus
Ezekiel 28:2
a rock; Tsor, a place in Palestine. Satan is the false rock. Christ is the true Rock.

prince of this world
John 12:31
prince = a first (in rank or power)
world = orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication, the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitants, literally or figuratively [morally])

rulers of the darkness of this world
Ephesians 6:12
rulers = a world-ruler, an epithet of Satan
darkness = shadiness, i.e. obscurity (literally or figuratively)

Satan
Job 1:6
an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good.

serpent
Genesis 3:1
properly, to hiss, i.e. whisper a (magic) spell; generally, to prognosticate

son of perdition
John 17:12
II Thessalonians 2:3
ruin or loss (physical, spiritual or eternal) also to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively

the tempter
Matthew 4:3
to test (objectively), i.e. endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline

the wicked one
Matthew 13:19
hurtful, i.e. evil (properly, in effect or influence) figuratively, calamitous; also (passively) ill, i.e. diseased; but especially (morally) culpable, i.e. derelict, vicious, facinorous; neuter (singular) mischief, malice, or (plural) guilt; masculine (singular) the devil, or (plural) sinners
 
onelove said:
A man, the antichrist, will come forth and deliver a covenant guaranteeing peace and land. This same man, I believe, that offers the covenant is the “son of perdition, the man of sin†in 1 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

The anti christ is no mere man he is satan himself,he is the son of perdition,written of in 1 Thess

Let me show you why this can't be true.

Revelation 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Who is thrown into the lake here? Of course it is the two beasts of chapter 13. Read:

20:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

The same beast, from chapter 13; the one many call antichrist: the one that sets up the mark of the beast.

16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Onelove, please read this carefully: there are three spirits, and there are three persons from whom these three spirits come. Who are the three?

1. The Dragon. From chapter 12, we KNOW that this dragon is the devil. God tells us this.
2. The beast. Same beast from chapter 13. He is the leopard beast with bear feet, and a lion's mouth. He is the same beast shown in verses 19 & 20 above. The man Paul called the "man of sin," and the "son of perdition."
3. The False Prophet. This is the second beast of chapter 13.

Now, did you read without your preconceived glasses? Did you see that the beast and Satan are TWO distinct persons? Did you not read:

2 Thes 2
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


How can "him" BE Satan, when Paul says that his coming is after the working of Satan? Notice, Paul did NOT say, "Him is Satan." When you read without preconceived glasses, you will see that they are NOT the same personage, but a man that will undoubtedly be indwelt by Satan. This does NOT make them one being. Now look at this verse again, with the next:

Revelation 19
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone
20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


Please explain how one personage or one being can be cast into the lake of fire twice. Did he somehow get out, and have to be thrown in again? if so, God has a serious problem! No, if you can read without preconceived glasses, you will see that God is speaking of two different beings; one a man, maybe indwelt by Satan, and the other, Satan himself.

Coop
 
Hi coop


II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

The word "perdition" means "one that perishes". Satan and only Satan has already been condemned to die [to perish] by God. Satan's judgment day has come already back in the first earth age, and he will have no part in the Great White Throne judgment, or any other judgment yet to come. He has already been judged, and sentence by God to death "perdition" [Ezekiel 28 covers this judgment].

Revelation 17:8 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is [shall come]."

You must understand that satan has many roles and each role will be destroyed one at a time.

The one-world system (first beast {Rev 13:1}) which is in place in the end-time, suffers some unstated catastrophic event (deadly wound). The second beast (satan, antichrist) appears on the earth with his angels and mends the rift thus solidifying the one-world system (first beast) under his direct control. The Elect of God resist this system all the way, are arrested (probably as enemies of God, the false god antichrist who is no god!) and testify at councils against antichrist. The two Witnesses of God {Rev chapter 11} witness against satan's one-world system which now worships satan as the impostor christ, the antichrist. The world believes that satan is in fact the prophesied Messiah and most worship him in ignorance - at least at first.
 
onelove said:
Hi coop


II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

The word "perdition" means "one that perishes". Satan and only Satan has already been condemned to die [to perish] by God. Satan's judgment day has come already back in the first earth age, and he will have no part in the Great White Throne judgment, or any other judgment yet to come. He has already been judged, and sentence by God to death "perdition" [Ezekiel 28 covers this judgment].

John 17:12
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

There is one other that was called the "son of perdition." It was Judas. Satan entered into him.

John 13:27
And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.


Since for both the leopard beast and Judas it is written "son of perdition," it is a good hint that Satan will also enter into the leopard beast.

Coop
 
coop
Since for both the leopard beast and Judas it is written "son of perdition," it is a good hint that Satan will also enter into the leopard beast.

satan will not at that time enter into anyone he himself will be here live and in color,now let me show you when it will happen.

Revelation 12:7 "And there was war in heaven: Mi'-cha-el and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,,"

This is the time of the sounding of the fifth trumpet, when Satan and his fallen angels are released upon the earth for the final five months period, spoken of in Revelation 9:5, 10. Satan will spend five months here on earth deceiving all mankind, then go to the pit for the thousand years. After that thousand years, Satan [not his fallen angels] will be released for a short period, then go to perdition [perish]. Once Satan is kicked out of heaven, he will not be allowed to return. Today Satan is in heaven accusing the saints before the Lord.

Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Sa'-tan, which deceived the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."

If you were ever confused who Satan is, John calls him by the names he used while playing his different roles on earth. The "dragon" is Satan's role in that first earth age, when one third of all of God's children followed him. Satan's evil spirit is allowed on earth now, along with his demons. However, you haven't seen Satan in person yet. Satan and his angels, both physically and bodily, will come to earth just as they did in Genesis 6.

When Satan is cast out it will be as it was in the days of Noah. This is what Jesus said in Matthew 24:37: "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Mankind will be mixing with the angels, and the women even marrying them just as was going on in Noah's day before the flood. Sodomy will be common, and all forms of filth will be made public, and accepted and considered normal. The world and the kenite influence is preparing us, and our mind to accept all forms of filth in sex and marriage as being natural; and to consider their perversion as being of God.

Your acceptance and view of this filth of sodomy and religious form will tell you to what state of depravity your mind has sunk. The condition of your soul will be determined by what you know, and how you stand on these issues, at Satan's arrival to earth.

Now let me show you how the world will be deceived

II Corinthians 11:14 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light."

Lets read for ourselves what the Strong's Greek dictionary has to say about this word "transformed". The number in the Strong's Greek dictionary is # 3345.

"Metaschematizo, met-ask-ay-met-id-zo; from the Greek #3326, and a derivative of #4976; to transfigure or disguise; fig. to apply (by accommodation): -transfer, or transform (self)." So lets put this in the way that Paul actually said it in the manuscripts of his letter to the Corinthians. "Satan himself is coming disguised into an angel of light." That is how he will appear to those that are going to see him at his coming at the sixth trumpet. They will see him as they expect to see Jesus coming at the seventh trumpet, but they will be deceived by him, because he will appear to be what they expect to see Jesus to be. To "disguise" anything is to change and hide what it truly is, and make it appear to be that it is not.

Satan is coming disguised as an "angel of light", and the true "Angel of Light" is Jesus Christ.

Now lets take a look at some verses from Isaiah and you should know that these verses are talking about satan

Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Isaiah 14:13 "For thou hast said in thine heart, `I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:"

This is the "morning star" Lucifer that is speaking here. This is what Lucifer is thinking to himself. Lucifer is thinking that he is better then God and all his Children. The "sides of the north" is the throne of God. This will be right here on earth in Jerusalem, where Jesus will return and set up his eternal kingdom, however before Jesus' temple is built, Satan will set up his rule in the exact location

II Thessalonians 2:4 "Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

Jesus will not return to set up his kingdom until after Lucifer, who goes by the name of the devil, Satan, the son of perdition and many other name stands in the holy place in Jerusalem claiming to be God. This is exactly what Isaiah said in Isaiah 14:14. Satan, or Lucifer or what ever you desire to call him, will play the role of God on the side of the north which is on mount Zion. Paul goes on to remind them that when he was with them, he told them these things in detail.

Isaiah 14:15 "Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit."

Isaiah 14:16 "They that see thee shall shall narrowly look upon the, and consider thee, saying. "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"

Isaiah 14:16 "They that see thee shall shall narrowly look upon the, and consider thee, saying. "Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"

These are all those people that considered themselves to be Christians and were part of the rapture doctrine that shall look upon Satan in the pit. They are going to see Satan there and think on what they have done, and how they have been deceived. Satan will play the role of man, the Son of God, and the entire earth will believe him and be deceived, all that is except God elect, and those sealed in their minds with the truth before Satan's coming. Today Satan is doing much of his work from the pulpits of churches that are deep in the traditions of men. Today the message going forth from most pulpits is based on man's traditions and not the Word of God.

Did you notice verse 16?what does it say ? is this the MAN, this is the same man of sin the son of perdition that you think will be some possessed man but as you can see it is satan himself.

If you were to leave out the traditions of men God's Word flows so easily,fits just like a puzzle most just can't see how the piceses are cut out, in order to put them togrther.
 
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